Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

[Adam Michaels]

Because 6,250,000-4,875,000= 1,375,000

This deal at the moment clears $2.125M in cap space.

6.25M (Petry) + 750K (Poehling) - 4.875M (Matheson) = $2.125M

Yes, Poehling's deal is up next year. But he will require an extension. So the Habs still save on the cap by not being the ones who will extend him.

 

[River Meadow]

Why did we add Pawling?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Why did we add Pawling?

...cuz we're tired of his bawling and needed him trawling somewhere else...

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Yikes. Matheson's contract will bite us down the line.

Petry's contract was already biting us in the ass.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I get what you are saying, but Pitts just added a dman who will be not only happier but will also be playing on a way better team with a way better coach.

As such, it is quite likely he will revert to a 50 point dman if not better.

So in the end they got a (in all likelihood) a 50 point dman for a measly 1.5mill more on their cap and a 4th round pick

Sorry but they made out like bandits..

At least if we got a legit prospect back or even a 2nd rounder but geez...

Petry and Matheson are pretty close in value when viewed simply as hockey players......Matheson was actually better last season. Petry is 7 years older and is making 1.375 million more per season which is why Poehling vs a 4th was needed to complete the deal.

Overall a fair deal that leaves us with a veteran D who should still be very effective when the rebuild starts baring fruit. Pittsburgh needed to balance their d corps after trading a RHD (Marino) for a LHD (Smith) so that is the primary impetus for them to make the deal as they are trying to win now, not because they think Petry is much better than Matheson is if at all. They would have had a logjam at LD with Matheson, Petterson, Dumoulin and Smith. This trade allows everyone to stay on their strong hand with Letang, Petry and Rutta filling out the right side.

We are left quite unbalanced but we are not trying to win anything so we can live with it. A disgruntled Petry was quite ugly at times last season and who knows how pissy he would have been if he had to start the season in Montreal again. Hughes brought in a great influence for the developing kids and a piece that actually makes sense for the team moving forward. Matheson has some experience at RD and would be better suited to that role than Edmundson as Matheson has better hands and may be better at passing on the backhand and skating the puck out.

 

[Habbietat]

This deal at the moment clears $2.125M in cap space.

6.25M (Petry) + 750K (Poehling) - 4.875M (Matheson) = $2.125M

Yes, Poehling's deal is up next year. But he will require an extension. So the Habs still save on the cap by not being the ones who will extend him.

Just curious, how do you dump league minimum

 

[Habby4Life]

Why did we add Pawling?

Because he sucks and they dumped a contract. No loss.

 

[EXPOS123]

Lol you won't get a "legit" prospect for a 34 year old dman who played bad the previous season.

Habs did NOT retain any salary. That's already a W.

He played bad one season out of the last what 4? I don’t think it’s the start of a pattern - he’s not breaking down like Weber was.

There is a high probability he can easily be the dman he was prior to last year fir the reasons I mentioned in my previous post.

Like I said, to get a 50 point dman for 1.5 million more on the cap and a 4th rounder is a steal

 

[Habidelidoo]

Petry's contract was already biting us in the ass.

Matheson's contract is one year longer... when winning window reopens, it's not time to anchor bad contracts.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Matheson's is one year longer.

...while nowhere near the cap hit and the player is almost 7 years younger...

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Matheson's is one year longer.

But he will be two years younger at the end of the contract than Petry is today.

 

[admiralcadillac]

He was also awful in Florida. Pittsburgh hated him also. You can even look on the main board trade when Matheson was signed , people were laughing at the money and terms.

Just the same people here having 1 average season and Kent Hugues saying hes good to make them sure he's a sureshot.

He's awful.

I never expected critical comments and negativity from you. Really surprised to see it.

 

[Dr Quincy]

This deal at the moment clears $2.125M in cap space.

6.25M (Petry) + 750K (Poehling) - 4.875M (Matheson) = $2.125M

Yes, Poehling's deal is up next year. But he will require an extension. So the Habs still save on the cap by not being the ones who will extend him.

Yes, I know that's the argument, but it still doesn't work that way.

Unless your argument is that the Habs are going to run their team with 1 fewer Fs on the roster than they were planning on doing.

Poehling on the team 750k

Poehling off the team and replaced by Slafkovsky- 950k
Poehling off the team and replaced by Ylonen- 880k
Poehlng off the team and replaced by Mitchell Stephens 750k

In other words... best case scenario the Habs break even on the Poehling out and replaced exchange.

More likely scenario, his replacement actually reduces the money saved by the Petry/Matheson exchange.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Zero concern about giving rid of Poehling. What a disappointing player. I never really bought in to the ceiling but the guy has all the tools in the world to be a strong bottom-six winger/3C if he just gave a shit. Instead he got absolutely smoked by Jake Evans and couldn't win a 3rd line wing role from Rem Pitlick who was claimed off waivers twice last year.

Maybe this trade is a wake-up call for him and he can save his career in Pittsburgh but it was never going to happen in Montreal.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Yes, I know that's the argument, but it still doesn't work that way.

Unless your argument is that the Habs are going to run their team with 1 fewer Fs on the roster than they were planning on doing.

Poehling on the team 750k

Poehling off the team and replaced by Slafkovsky- 950k
Poehling off the team and replaced by Ylonen- 880k
Poehlng off the team and replaced by Mitchell Stephens 750k

In other words... best case scenario the Habs break even on the Poehling out and replaced exchange.

More likely scenario, his replacement actually reduces the money saved by the Petry/Matheson exchange.

Okay but what do you do with him then

 

[Natey]

Matheson's contract is one year longer... when winning window reopens, it's not time to anchor bad contracts.

His contract is still in the window of bad contracts. Anderson, Gallagher, and Price all have 4-5 years remaining.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Yes, I know that's the argument, but it still doesn't work that way.

Unless your argument is that the Habs are going to run their team with 1 fewer Fs on the roster than they were planning on doing.

Poehling on the team 750k

Poehling off the team and replaced by Slafkovsky- 950k
Poehling off the team and replaced by Ylonen- 880k
Poehlng off the team and replaced by Mitchell Stephens 750k

In other words... best case scenario the Habs break even on the Poehling out and replaced exchange.

More likely scenario, his replacement actually reduces the money saved by the Petry/Matheson exchange.

Yes, other guys will assume the spot left by Poehling. That still doesn't change the fact that they save over 2M on the cap with this move.

It doesn't mean the full 2M will be unused in another way. It's just cap space they now have available to them.

 

[OnTheRun]

Yes, other guys will assume the spot left by Poehling. That still doesn't change the fact that they save over 2M on the cap with this move.

It doesn't mean the full 2M will be unused in another way.

Yeah... You still don't really save 2M since Peohling entire cap hit could have been buried in the minors. The cap hit difference between Petry and Matheson is the only relevant number here.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Yes, other guys will assume the spot left by Poehling. That still doesn't change the fact that they save over 2M on the cap with this move.

It doesn't mean the full 2M will be unused in another way. It's just cap space they now have available to them.

No.

They already have 14 Fs on their roster (assuming Slafkovsky is on the team and not counting Drouin). That money is already spent.

If Poehling was here he'd be in the minors, and his cap would be gone, or Pezetta or someone would be in the minors and their cap would be gone. Whether Poehling was here or not, the cap is exactly the same.

It's some pretty silly logic to say trading a minimum salary guy and replacing him with a guy who makes more is somehow cap savings.

 

[CHarlie]

Ryan Poeling.....another 1st round bust.....Cayden Primeau picked 199th overall in round 7.....the best we got to show for in the 2017 entry draft.....f***in pathetic

 

[River Meadow]

I like Kent's words on Matheson.

Says he's a 5 star person and teammate, great for the room, will help younger players, and apparently is a great skater, will be able to play well in MSL's vision for how we should play.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Yeah... You still don't really save 2M since Peohling entire cap hit could have been buried in the minors. The cap hit difference between Petry and Matheson is the only relevant number here.

Yes you save since Poehling was on the main roster. His cap hit counted the moment of the trade.

No.

They already have 14 Fs on their roster (assuming Slafkovsky is on the team and not counting Drouin). That money is already spent.

If Poehling was here he'd be in the minors, and his cap would be gone, or Pezetta or someone would be in the minors and their cap would be gone. Whether Poehling was here or not, the cap is exactly the same.

It's some pretty silly logic to say trading a minimum salary guy and replacing him with a guy who makes more is somehow cap savings.

This trade saves them $2.125M. It's not complicated. Today, that is the amount of cap space they created. What happens later is something that will be counted later.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

He played bad one season out of the last what 4? I don’t think it’s the start of a pattern - he’s not breaking down like Weber was.

There is a high probability he can easily be the dman he was prior to last year fir the reasons I mentioned in my previous post.

Like I said, to get a 50 point dman for 1.5 million more on the cap and a 4th rounder is a steal

It all comes down to how quickly you believe Petry's decline will be. Obviously the Penguins think they can stretch at least one more 'peak' or near peak year out of Petry. This trade reminds me of the 1971 trade where Montreal gave a boatload of assets for Frank Mahovlich. Pollack correctly determined that Montreal needed a superstar to get passed the Bruins in the playoffs. At the time, Mahovlich was 33 years of age and was a player that was clearly in decline. Decline or not, Mahovlich made a major contribution in not only Montreal's magical run in 1971 but in their 1972-1973 Cup championship. Perhaps Petry has a similar level of success with the Penguins. Or perhaps not. That is the calculus that the Penguins are engaged in.

 

[lou4gehrig]

Ryan Poeling.....another 1st round bust.....Cayden Primeau picked 199th overall in round 7.....the best we got to show for in the 2017 entry draft.....f***in pathetic

Drafted 25th overall. Not really a bust. Just normal. The 23, 24, 26, 27 players all playes less games than Poehling and 28 has no games.

Yikes. Matheson's contract will bite us down the line.

Nah. By the time we need to give Bedard an extension it will be expiring. So perfect.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I like Kent's words on Matheson.

Says he's a 5 star person and teammate, great for the room, will help younger players, and apparently is a great skater, will be able to play well in MSL's vision for how we should play.

I think he will do well with the style of play MSL wants to play. He won't be a Petry. But I don't think he will be some scrub.

And skating is one of his biggest qualities. He's smooth and real mobile. Good in transition.