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Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [The Final 2022, First 2023 Edition]

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deadhead said:
Meh, I just think it was Toumaala getting regular ice time in a scoring role and letting his talent take over.
At lower levels, and this includes the CHL, you can outskate your mistakes so defensive flaws aren't as obvious.

The difference between Liiga and the AHL is Liiga (like the SHL) is a professional league where coaches have to win to keep their jobs, the AHL is primarily a developmental league (with limits on veterans) where coaches have to balance development and winning.

So if Toumaala has serious flaws, a Liiga HC isn't going to be patient with him and let him work through them.

This is akin to JOB going to the BCHL, now he still had to go to the NCAA and show he was for real, but he did get back on track to some extent.
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Job has 1 goal even strength in 22 games played in his "draft plus 5 season ". He has 8 assists even strength in that time and is 5th on his team in scoring . You call that back on track ?
 
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deadhead said:
What's the big deal. Toumaala blew his 18 year old season, he's bounced back at a lower level in his 19 year old season, now we'll see if he can build on it. It's like some people here are invested in his failure.

It's always better when a prospect bounces back, doesn't guarantee anything, but at least having success at a lower level raises the possibility he might be able to produce at a higher level when he returns to Liiga in the future.

And there are lots of high picks who struggle for years in Liiga and the SHL. Every prospect has a different development path.
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Pretty sure they put him under contract so he'll be in the ahl or echl once he's 20. If he's not shellshocked from his earlier experience. Kid got overwhelmed and is trying to build himself back up. Frost and laughton did the same thing
 
wasup said:
Job has 1 goal even strength in 22 games played in his "draft plus 5 season ". He has 8 assists even strength in that time and is 5th on his team in scoring . You call that back on track ?
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No competent GM would give him a contract over taking a 2nd.

But Charles Danger Fletcher never saw a 2nd rounder he didn't hate.
 
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Nobody is rooting against Tuomaala. He’s just on a development track that makes it very unlikely he ever gets to the NHL &/or contributes there. He wouldn’t even be worthy of a contract slot right now if the Flyers didn’t sign him the same summer as his draft year.

People just don’t like someone trying to piss on their leg & tell them it’s raining by hyping up his play in some second tier pro league overseas that doesn’t really have track record of producing NHL players when they’re there that late in their development.
 
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deadhead said:
Phantom ES scoring update:

Lycksell 27g 3-15 18
Foerster 38g 9-6 15
Desnoyers 38g 8-8 16
J Cates 33g 6-8 14
Bellows 11g 2-2 4
Wisdom 27g 1-5
Brink 7g 4-0 4
Ratcliffe 20g 2-1 3

Anisimov 23g 8-3 11
Wilson 34g 3-10 13
Bellerive 36g 3-10 13
O'Reilly 38g 2-5 7 -7
Marody 23g 4-5 9
Brooks 23g 2-7 9 -8
Willman 21g 4-5 9
Hodgson 26g 1-2 3

Attard 37g 3-6 9
Belpido 36g 4-3 7
Ginning 36g 2-9 11 +16
Wylie 27g 2-4 6
Connauton 31g 1-4 5
Hogberg 19g 1-3 4
Zamula 18g 0-3 3


Note on Kaplan, last ten games 5-5 10 +8, since he got promoted in the lineup.
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Boy, Fletcher, Flahr, and Lappy really know how to spot talent and push hard for a guy like Hodgson, don't they?

If our coach wasn't the kind of guy that just speaks his mind, consequences be damned, Hodgson would probably be a staple in the Flyers' lineup.
 
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No one is hypng his play, he's totally dominating that league, which is a good sign, nothing more.
To assume he's a failure is as stupid as assuming his play in Metsis insures his success.
It's just good to see him performing well, now he has to take that play up to Liiga and at least perform at an age appropriate level (at 20, just holding his own is fine, it's normal for prospects to need a couple years in Liiga or the SHL to stand out).
 
Beef Invictus said:
In one sentence you claim nobody is hyping his play and then immediately hype his play
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Just stating a fact, he's dominating Mestis, which is a good sign, nothing more.
Which is better than being meh.

Funny, for years people whine that the FLyers won't draft fast, skilled forwards, so they draft one, and the negativity police are out in force.

I realize some people want him to fail, so they can slam Fletcher and Flahr.
 
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deadhead said:
Just stating a fact, he's dominating Mestis, which is a good sign, nothing more.
Which is better than being meh.

Funny, for years people whine that the FLyers won't draft fast, skilled forwards, so they draft one, and the negativity police are out in force.

I realize some people want him to fail, so they can slam Fletcher and Flahr.
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It's a nothing sign. It's meaningless. He's scrap.

He's 20 playing against kids.
 
Average age of Mestis players is low 20s. ECHL is mid 20s. Prime age players. How is that comparable?

This sure smells like industrial-strength hopium
 
Beef Invictus said:
Average age of Mestis players is low 20s. ECHL is mid 20s. Prime age players. How is that comparable?

This sure smells like industrial-strength hopium
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Low 20s is about 4 years older than the CHL. So he's not "playing against kids."
The reason overage CHL players are suspect is they're physically mature at 20-21 playing against 17-19 year olds.
 
deadhead said:
Low 20s is about 4 years older than the CHL. So he's not "playing against kids."
The reason overage CHL players are suspect is they're physically mature at 20-21 playing against 17-19 year olds.
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There are also a slew of teenagers in Mestis. It isn't comparable to the ECHL. He is indeed playing against a bunch of younger players.

You're trying to hype up Mestis to hype up Tumorella.
 
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There are also a slew of teenagers in Mestis. It isn't comparable to the ECHL. He is indeed playing against a bunch of younger players.

You're trying to hype up Mestis to hype up Tumorella.
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He's not really a prospect at this point, time to move on from him and take a 2nd for JOB and hopefully pick someone with NHL potential this time.
 
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LegionOfDoom91 said:
Nobody is rooting against Tuomaala. He’s just on a development track that makes it very unlikely he ever gets to the NHL &/or contributes there. He wouldn’t even be worthy of a contract slot right now if the Flyers didn’t sign him the same summer as his draft year.

People just don’t like someone trying to piss on their leg & tell them it’s raining by hyping up his play in some second tier pro league overseas that doesn’t really have track record of producing NHL players when they’re there that late in their development.
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His production isn't impressive for a 2nd rounder but it will be interesting to see what happens. He needs to be playing elsewhere ASAP.

I would've been fine taking Stankoven with the Risto pick, so yeah in the 2nd round it's another layup missed by Chuck. Fletcher's resume speaks for itself at this point so hopefully in a few months he's gone and the stank can be off all his acquisitions.
 
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About half of the 2021 draft picks have turned 20 by this point in the year, it's pretty normal.
 
CutOnDime97 said:
His production isn't impressive for a 2nd rounder but it will be interesting to see what happens. He needs to be playing elsewhere ASAP.

I would've been fine taking Stankoven with the Risto pick, so yeah in the 2nd round it's another layup missed by Chuck. Fletcher's resume speaks for itself at this point so hopefully in a few months he's gone and the stank can be off all his acquisitions.
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Flahrsy the Hutt and the ancient scouts are just as responsible for their pathetic drafting.
 
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flyersnorth said:
Boy, Fletcher, Flahr, and Lappy really know how to spot talent and push hard for a guy like Hodgson, don't they?

If our coach wasn't the kind of guy that just speaks his mind, consequences be damned, Hodgson would probably be a staple in the Flyers' lineup.
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The prospects are all outperforming the veterans almost as if we have a coach who understands development and doesn't belong in the group you put him in
 
captainpaxil said:
The prospects are all outperforming the veterans almost as if we have a coach who understands development and doesn't belong in the group you put him in
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I honestly can't say who does and who doesn't understand development - I don't know enough of what happens day to day and behind the scenes to make any kind of causal link or conclusion.

It is really nice to see the young kids performing well in LHV. It's promising.

Hodgson, on the other hand, is just not very good.
 
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The prospects are all outperforming the veterans almost as if we have a coach who understands development and doesn't belong in the group you put him in
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Well, Ratcliffe has really regressed, and Wisdom has struggled a bit.

But sometimes we don't know the details, Hogberg was meh earlier but playing better lately, was he dinged? Zamula seemed to be in a funk, but is now also playing better. Hodgson feel off a cliff, but might have been their best player last season.

Lycksell and Ginning are both playing above expectations, but have a lot of SHL experience.
Foerster has improved as the season progressed.
Attard has struggled, but this may simply be a young defenseman thinking too much as he tries to master fundamentals that aren't second nature yet.
 
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