Puustinen got shit usage in his first season and was on pace for the breakout numbers Doc put up and somehow is still shit on by idiots. So I commend you for pointing out the hypocrisy mate.
Not by much and on losing non playoff teams that's not saying much.
I don't think that's true at all. With how this team plays, if you're starting in the Dzone, you will end up spending a bunch of time there. It's not a coincidence why bottom 6ers with an average of around 40% Dzone starts come here and their production absolutely craters.
Hey, even you, Mike Sullivan apologist, thought he should be fired by the end of the season lol
I get why you guys think what you do but, unfortunately, you're wrong. This has been covered a couple of times by various sources, but here are a couple pretty good ones:
puckplusplus.com
Preaching to the choir mate, I posted that exact thing and others to prove how good Puustinen was even with the absolutely atrocious usage he was getting, for any coach or staff, even if you don't like analytics, this one tells you all you need to know for a player that maximizes his time and his production within that and Puustinen did it incredibly well.
I mean, Harkins and Acciari being the wingers on that line with over played Carter, not sure why anyone would think that was a good line to roll out as often as it was. Let's never forget that line was also used to defend the lead or at late minutes in 3rd periods.
If there was a line that embodied Sullivan and his philosophy - Acciari, Carter, Harkins - is definitely it.
That's an old article. They track both offensive zone starts and offensive zone faceoff starts now. So I don't think you can argue that our bottom six's usage doesn't affect their offense.I get why you guys think what you do but, unfortunately, you're wrong. This has been covered a couple of times by various sources, but here are a couple pretty good ones:
https://hockey-graphs.com/tag/zone-starts/#:~:text=Zone%20starts%20are%20not%20that,effect%20on%20a%20player's%20performance.
How much do zone starts matter part I: (Maybe) not as much as we thought
In 2013-2014 Boyd Gordon and Manny Malholtra were two of the worst players in raw CF% across the league at 42.3% and 41.6% respectively. Most people would argue that their results were not all that…
The rink is too small and the game is too dynamic for zone starts to matter on any significant level. On top of that, not every shift starts on a faceoff. Changing on the fly isn't taken into account so you're only capturing a relatively small amount of the game. The idea that "oh Sullivan ruined his offense because he was given 65% zone starts" is not substantiated by ANY amount of data that would even remotely be considered reliable. Sullivan has a role, most likely, but it's not zone starts.
The last 7-8 years Sullivan has used the bottom 6 that way and then asks them to produce somehow and some do to a degree but most are destroyed. No other coach does that if you looked around. Maybe a player or two, Sullivan will do that to basically 2 lines.
Yeah he did the bottom 10 coaches and just drew a turd instead of writing Sullivan's name.
Well, we've got Top 4 pick Jesse Puljujarvi and Top 6 pick Cody Glass, so we're on our way.
Thanks I’ll give them a read.I get why you guys think what you do but, unfortunately, you're wrong. This has been covered a couple of times by various sources, but here are a couple pretty good ones:
https://hockey-graphs.com/tag/zone-starts/#:~:text=Zone%20starts%20are%20not%20that,effect%20on%20a%20player's%20performance.
How much do zone starts matter part I: (Maybe) not as much as we thought
In 2013-2014 Boyd Gordon and Manny Malholtra were two of the worst players in raw CF% across the league at 42.3% and 41.6% respectively. Most people would argue that their results were not all that…
The rink is too small and the game is too dynamic for zone starts to matter on any significant level. On top of that, not every shift starts on a faceoff. Changing on the fly isn't taken into account so you're only capturing a relatively small amount of the game. The idea that "oh Sullivan ruined his offense because he was given 65% zone starts" is not substantiated by ANY amount of data that would even remotely be considered reliable. Sullivan has a role, most likely, but it's not zone starts.
It may not be the exact lines but those are the 12 forwards who’ll be playing every night barring injury…the team does this year after year, filling spots with semi worthless vets lol
