Post-Game Talk: Pens @ Rangers 2/1/21

[True Blue]

I know this wasn’t directed at me but honestly

he’s on pace for 18 goals and around 63 pts for a full 82 game year . It’s good but let’s not pretend he’s a super star untouchable player that has to be kept no matter what.

Again, I am not pretending and sometimes to illustrate a point one needs to blow it out to extreme.

My only point is that I do not believe that in all scenarios that play out, Buchnevich gets traded. I believe that, and MUCH depends on what he does on the ice. that he could stay.

Also, being a mid-60ish point wing is not something one can just blow off.

 

[True Blue]

keep trying to convince yourself the cap doesn’t exist b/c you choose to ignore it.

Trying to pretend that other positions cannot be paid as much in order to keep certain players seems like a silly thing to ignore.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Trying to pretend that other positions cannot be paid as much in order to keep certain players seems like a silly thing to ignore.

Yet you do it regularly.

 

[True Blue]

He played 2 bad games. The shootout loss was more bad luck. I guess the tying goal wasn't great, but it was still a bad bounce. The first bad game they had no chance as they scored no goals. So he's responsible for one game.

He played 3 very poor games. Add on Geoirgiev's 3 very poor games and you have 6.

My bad. My original comment should have said "If Shesterkin and Georgieve decided that allowing beach balls in the net is a bad idea, they would have had 6 wins.

 

[True Blue]

Yet you do it regularly.

You seem to be doing a bang up job yourself.

 

[Levitate]

I know this wasn’t directed at me but honestly

he’s on pace for 18 goals and around 63 pts for a full 82 game year . It’s good but let’s not pretend he’s a super star untouchable player that has to be kept no matter what.

I said in the other thread that right now Buch is doing things that are facilitating his lines success, it's more than just scoring points. He's going to be another guy the Rangers "have to let go" and whos impact is felt far beyond just the points he puts up and that's going to be a bad thing

He's proving himself more valuable than the points suggest, I'd kick Strome to the curb and do almost anything else at center rather than trade Buch right now

 

[kovazub94]

I know this wasn’t directed at me but honestly

he’s on pace for 18 goals and around 63 pts for a full 82 game year . It’s good but let’s not pretend he’s a super star untouchable player that has to be kept no matter what.

Once Zibanejad and Kreider are closer to resemble their true form rather than a pale shadow it’s been so far - Buchnevich’s line will probably be comfortably over 70 points.

I do understand the math and I’m also convinced that the Rangers should and will ride it out as long as it’s possible without moving Buchnevich who’s been this team’s best forward in all situations.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

He played 3 very poor games. Add on Geoirgiev's 3 very poor games and you have 6.

My bad. My original comment should have said "If Shesterkin and Georgieve decided that allowing beach balls in the net is a bad idea, they would have had 6 wins.

He did not play 3 very poor games at all. He played 2 very poor games. The game that they lost in a shootout, 2 of the 3 goals were a perfect deflection under the bar, a goal that Lindgren put into his own net, and a puck off the boards that bounced straight to a Penguin. Only the 3rd one he had any chance to stop and even that was a bad bounce more than a bad goal. Lundqvist would have months where he'd play great but still give up a stinker a game, and no one called that a "very poor game".

 

[True Blue]

He did not play 3 very poor games at all. He played 2 very poor games. The game that they lost in a shootout, 2 of the 3 goals were a perfect deflection under the bar, a goal that Lindgren put into his own net, and a puck off the boards that bounced straight to a Penguin. Only the 3rd one he had any chance to stop and even that was a bad bounce more than a bad goal. Lundqvist would have months where he'd play great but still give up a stinker a game, and no one called that a "very poor game".

Ok. We will need to agree to disagree. To me, he had 3 very poor games. His save percentages say so. Allowing goals that were fairly mundane said so.

When Lundqvist had poor games, we would still call them poor games.

 

[romba]

Crosby also tried the Michigan move on Shesty and was denied in the 2nd

He wiffed, he tried it backhand because his stick is flat anyway but it slipped off. To his credit, Shesty saw exactly what was going on and was standing up TIGHT against the post and crossbar basically lifting the net off its moorings. No room for Crosby to score anyway.

I used to hate him but Crosby really grown on me the past few years. Seems like a solid guy with a good sense of humor and he's just so damn smart, skilled, and fast with insane vision and a backhander to absolutely die for.

 

[LOFIN]

Players need to earn ice time, regardless of where they were drafted, it's really that simple. Quinn is playing Miller 20 minutes a night.

First of all, what does it mean to "earn ice time" under Quinn? Kakko played one of his best game against the penguins 2 games ago, he received a whopping 10 minutes. Secondly, why does this not apply for everyone? Strome can be the worst player on the ice, and still gets top minutes.

 

[True Blue]

Once Zibanejad and Kreider are closer to resemble their true form rather than a pale shadow it’s been so far - Buchnevich’s line will probably be comfortably over 70 points.

I do understand the math and I’m also convinced that the Rangers should and will ride it out as long as it’s possible without moving Buchnevich who’s been this team’s best forward in all situations.

And that is where I am coming to. And then decide if they want to throw out Strome or any of the other kitchen sink and figure it out, IF Buchnevich continues to to what he is doing.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Ok. We will need to agree to disagree. To me, he had 3 very poor games. His save percentages say so. Allowing goals that were fairly mundane said so.

When Lundqvist had poor games, we would still call them poor games.

Save percentage in 1 game is a foolish thing to look at, tell me which goal other than the third in that first Penguins game he had a chance to stop? The perfect deflection or the goal Lindgren put into his own net? That game was as good/poor as yesterday's game. 1 questionable goal. They just didn't get that deflection yesterday and Lindgren didn't put the puck into his own net.

 

[Levitate]

Once Zibanejad and Kreider are closer to resemble their true form rather than a pale shadow it’s been so far - Buchnevich’s line will probably be comfortably over 70 points.

I do understand the math and I’m also convinced that the Rangers should and will ride it out as long as it’s possible without moving Buchnevich who’s been this team’s best forward in all situations.

Yeah...the thing i"m seeing with Buchnevich is this is a guy who has basically developed how everyone hopes and dreams a player like him develops. He's very skilled but not quite superstar skilled and so has had to work hard to develop other parts of his game and he's been showing he can produce points as well be a line driver who does the dirty work for his linemates.

I'm worried if the Rangers keep ditching those kind of players (like Fast) because "they're not super stars but they put up too many points to keep on a cheap contract" then it's going to hurt the team in the long run.

Ideally the kind of player Buch is developing into is the kind of player that you're always looking for to add to your lineup. It'd be frustrating if the Rangers trade him only to turn around in another year and spend time and assets looking for a replacement who does the exact same stuff

 

[True Blue]

Save percentage in 1 game is a foolish thing to look at, tell me which goal other than the third in that first Penguins game he had a chance to stop? The perfect deflection or the goal Lindgren put into his own net? That game was as good/poor as yesterday's game. 1 questionable goal. They just didn't get that deflection yesterday and Lindgren didn't put the puck into his own net.

Yes, Lindgren put one in the net. Yes, he still allowed goals that were mundane.

Whatever. The point remains. With better overall goaltending, the team would be in better shape. Shesterkin has had two solid games and is hopefully getting his season on track.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yes, Lindgren put one in the net. Yes, he still allowed goals that were mundane.

Whatever. The point remains. With better overall goaltending, the team would be in better shape. Shesterkin has had two solid games and is hopefully getting his season on track.

He allowed one mundane goal. Just like yesterday.

 

[kovazub94]

Thank goodness for our PK being capable last night. Until the 3rd period (especially in the 2nd) the game would have been lost if the Pens convert on at least one. Some of the calls were pretty soft though but then it’s 180 degrees reversal in the 3rd as the refs suddenly swallowed whistles altogether.

 

[romba]

He did not play 3 very poor games at all. He played 2 very poor games. The game that they lost in a shootout, 2 of the 3 goals were a perfect deflection under the bar, a goal that Lindgren put into his own net, and a puck off the boards that bounced straight to a Penguin. Only the 3rd one he had any chance to stop and even that was a bad bounce more than a bad goal. Lundqvist would have months where he'd play great but still give up a stinker a game, and no one called that a "very poor game".

Overplaying a wide shot and being 15 feet out of the net when it bounces off the boards is a bad goal. Pitt broadcast mentioned last night that Allaire is working with Shesty to stay composed and not be over aggressive. It opens you up to easy redirections as well if you overslide on shots instead of staying more centered. It happened again last night, he almost recovered but couldn't. It's not as bad as waving at the puck and missing it, but it's pretty soft.

 

[True Blue]

Ideally the kind of player Buch is developing into is the kind of player that you're always looking for to add to your lineup. It'd be frustrating if the Rangers trade him only to turn around in another year and spend time and assets looking for a replacement who does the exact same stuff

Or....and yes, I am about to cringe..... your top 2 centers are Chytil and Howden, Buchnevich is here and the play of the team is driven by the wings.

Before people have a conniption fit, this is just spit balling.

 

[NYSPORTS]

You seem to be doing a bang up job yourself.

yes, among those who demonstrate the ability to understand math. The others can’t be reached although they can defend squeezing over $100 million under an $81.5 million dollar cap.

 

[True Blue]

He allowed one mundane goal. Just like yesterday.

Ok. You win.

 

[True Blue]

yes, among those who demonstrate the ability to understand math. The others can’t be reached although they can defend squeezing over $100 million under an $81.5 million dollar cap.

Yawn....if you really cannot figure out what I am talking about, then there is no point in continuing.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

First of all, what does it mean to "earn ice time" under Quinn? Kakko played one of his best game against the penguins 2 games ago, he received a whopping 10 minutes. Secondly, why does this not apply for everyone? Strome can be the worst player on the ice, and still gets top minutes.

Earn, as in make the coach have to play you. The Kakko thing was weird the other night, a lot of special teams but it's on Quinn to get him more ice. Kakko has been good this year, he's played with good players, he'll be fine. And Strome is a center, they're already thin at that position. Should he play Kakko or Laf at center?

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah...the thing i"m seeing with Buchnevich is this is a guy who has basically developed how everyone hopes and dreams a player like him develops. He's very skilled but not quite superstar skilled and so has had to work hard to develop other parts of his game and he's been showing he can produce points as well be a line driver who does the dirty work for his linemates.

I'm worried if the Rangers keep ditching those kind of players (like Fast) because "they're not super stars but they put up too many points to keep on a cheap contract" then it's going to hurt the team in the long run.

Ideally the kind of player Buch is developing into is the kind of player that you're always looking for to add to your lineup. It'd be frustrating if the Rangers trade him only to turn around in another year and spend time and assets looking for a replacement who does the exact same stuff

I hear you and agree with the premise but I wouldn’t bring up 29 yo utility forward in Fast in this conversation about 1st line driver, PP and PK skilled 25 yo power forward in Buchnevich.

 

[Kovalev27]

Once Zibanejad and Kreider are closer to resemble their true form rather than a pale shadow it’s been so far - Buchnevich’s line will probably be comfortably over 70 points.

I do understand the math and I’m also convinced that the Rangers should and will ride it out as long as it’s possible without moving Buchnevich who’s been this team’s best forward in all situations.

the argument here again is that Buchnevich is good and their line will be the top line when they get going.

literally none of which I am arguing against. Believe me I know Buchnevich is good!

the argument is that you invested long term in 2 of the 4 top 6 wing positions. Then you drafted 1 and 2 overall top wingers in kakko and lafreniere. You have invested in these guys. That’s it it’s just math. I haven’t even mentioned kravtsov yet.

No one in that group outside of kravtsov is going to be on the third line long term.

you have to pay 2 centers in a flat capped league.

you cannot pay Buchnevich. At most you can maybe extend him two years but then you are blocking top 6 mins and probably more pp time from one of kakko or lafreniere. Which one are you comfortable blocking for two more development years?

again there is a reason good teams shouldn’t get top prospects. It’s because they already have good players. So one of them has to go.