Post-Game Talk: Pens @ Rangers 2/1/21

[Levitate]

Or....and yes, I am about to cringe..... your top 2 centers are Chytil and Howden, Buchnevich is here and the play of the team is driven by the wings.

Before people have a conniption fit, this is just spit balling.

I mean I think they have to have better centers than that. Howden honestly can't play on a top six line and help facilitate much, I think we've seen that. You can't win with him playing top six. Chytil looked like he was ready to push to be a top six center if he can get faceoffs up to snuff but you still need something else.

But I think there could be a path in there somewhere to keep Buch

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yawn....if you really cannot figure out what I am talking about, then there is no point in continuing.

I mean, you're not even telling me what goals were mundane in that game.

 

[True Blue]

I mean I think they have to have better centers than that. Howden honestly can't play on a top six line and help facilitate much, I think we've seen that. You can't win with him playing top six. Chytil looked like he was ready to push to be a top six center if he can get faceoffs up to snuff but you still need something else.

But I think there could be a path in there somewhere to keep Buch

I understand that and was only using a Howden as a name and example. But yes, that is my overall point. There is a path, depending on how the team is constructed for the long term.

 

[True Blue]

I mean, you're not even telling me what goals were mundane in that game.

You are quoting a statement meant for a different poster.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You are quoting a statement meant for a different poster.

Oh, I either missed it or he's on my ignore.

 

[Kovalev27]

Shesterkin had a bad game 1 and he had a bad game in the second Pittsburgh game.

that’s it.

the prior game he got beat on 3 goals he literally had zero chance of stopping. Can’t blame him for any of those.

so he’s got 2 wins in which he played very well.

He’s got a third period in relief that he was perfect in.

And he’s got 3 losses one of which he was good in.

So he’s had 2 bad games

 

[NYSPORTS]

Yawn....if you really cannot figure out what I am talking about, then there is no point in continuing.

You’ve demonstrated a credit card mentality. Charge it now and hope to figure out how to pay for it later. Then you run out or credit or in this case, cap space.

 

[LOFIN]

Earn, as in make the coach have to play you. The Kakko thing was weird the other night, a lot of special teams but it's on Quinn to get him more ice. Kakko has been good this year, he's played with good players, he'll be fine. And Strome is a center, they're already thin at that position. Should he play Kakko or Laf at center?

The thing is, do we want Lafreniere and Kakko to play in a way that Quinn likes that would make him play them more? I don't think so. I think it has been shown with Kakko, that Quinn HATES creativity, and everytime Kakko would try something and lose it he would bench him. He's trying to make him a f***ing 4th liner. Is that what we want from our skilled youngsters?

Lafreniere is already on the same path, have you seen the same Laf as we did in the 1st game? I haven't.

 

[aufheben]

I just don't see how Kakko and Lafreniere can make it work in this system of Quinn's, where he really trusts his 3rd and 4th liners. The only way Quinn can make it work is to force Lafreniere and Kakko into 1st and 2nd line. Then he can run his 3rd and 4th as checking lines like he pleases. But what would that look like?

Chytils injury is f***ing this up bad. Center depth is killing us.

Lafreniere and Kakko are playing on the 1st and 2nd lines.

 

[True Blue]

You’ve demonstrated a credit card mentality. Charge it now and hope to figure out how to pay for it later. Then you run out or credit or in this case, cap space.

Sorry, but are you really this obtuse?

Ok, again, let's blow out the example to the level of absurd to illustrate the point. Buchnevich scores 50 goals this year. Management decided that they want to keep him. But how do you fit him in under the cap? Gasp.....they decide to trade ZBad, elevate Chytil to 1C and Howden to 2C.

That is not figuring how to pay of it later. That is deciding what assets you want to keep long term, and how you want to construct your team.

 

[LOFIN]

Lafreniere and Kakko are playing on the 1st and 2nd lines.

They are now, because of injuries. Though Kakko hasn't yet because of covid BS.

 

[True Blue]

Oh, I either missed it or he's on my ignore.

Must be the latter. And you are far better off for it.

 

[NYSPORTS]

you cannot pay Buchnevich. At most you can maybe extend him two years but then you are blocking top 6 mins and probably more pp time from one of kakko or lafreniere. Which one are you comfortable blocking for two more development years?

again there is a reason good teams shouldn’t get top prospects. It’s because they already have good players. So one of them has to go.

winning the lottery changed everything. Future budget was tight yet manageable assuming Kakko would get paid down the road. Then they won Laf after resigning Kredier. That puts Zibby in the tough to afford budget, especially if Buch is resigned. Gee, i bet Fox will cost a pretty penny down the road, our goalie is coming up already, time flies and we have Miller, etc. Meanwhile, we have Panarin and Trouba.

Can’t lock up long term those 3rd contracts like Kredier. They kill you.

 

[aufheben]

They are now, because of injuries. Though Kakko hasn't yet because of covid BS.

What the f*** are you talking about?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

The thing is, do we want Lafreniere and Kakko to play in a way that Quinn likes that would make him play them more? I don't think so. I think it has been shown with Kakko, that Quinn HATES creativity, and everytime Kakko would try something and lose it he would bench him. He's trying to make him a f***ing 4th liner. Is that what we want from our skilled youngsters?

Lafreniere is already on the same path, have you seen the same Laf as we did in the 1st game? I haven't.

He's had both players in the top 6 for a good part of the season, both playing with the teams best offensive players so I'm not really sure where you're getting this 4th line stuff from.

 

[LOFIN]

He's had both players in the top 6 for a good part of the season, both playing with the teams best offensive players so I'm not really sure where you're getting this 4th line stuff from.

It's more about the way they play. Or allowed to play I should say.

 

[Kovalev27]

Kakko definitely hasn’t been playing top 6 not sure where that’s coming from

he made it one period on that panarin line before moving to chytils wing.

then Chytil got hurt.

but the Rangers went to lafreniere to Blackwell kreider digiuseppe kakko has not had regular mins in the top 6

 

[Kovalev27]

winning the lottery changed everything. Future budget was tight yet manageable assuming Kakko would get paid down the road. Then they won Laf after resigning Kredier. That puts Zibby in the tough to afford budget, especially if Buch is resigned. Gee, i bet Fox will cost a pretty penny down the road, our goalie is coming up already, time flies and we have Miller, etc. Meanwhile, we have Panarin and Trouba.

Can’t lock up long term those 3rd contracts like Kredier. They kill you.

If anyone can show me a lineup with Buchnevich included that doesn’t include a winger making 6 plus mil on the third line and kakko/lafreniere getting top 6 mins by all means I’d love to see it and we can put this to bed and sign buchy!

 

[NYSPORTS]

Sorry, but are you really this obtuse?

Ok, again, let's blow out the example to the level of absurd to illustrate the point. Buchnevich scores 50 goals this year. Management decided that they want to keep him. But how do you fit him in under the cap? Gasp.....they decide to trade ZBad, elevate Chytil to 1C and Howden to 2C.

That is not figuring how to pay of it later. That is deciding what assets you want to keep long term, and how you want to construct your team.

Plagiarizing hollywood doesn’t give you points when your solution is nothing more than a massive problem at center. You referred to it as absurd. Quite a few are on the same page while you’re still in that hole digging.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

It's more about the way they play. Or allowed to play I should say.

Yeah, I dont know if I agree with this. Quinn doesnt seem to dictate how Panarin, Zib, Buch, Strome and Kreider play offensively. I can't get mad at a coach for demanding forwards be responsible defensively. Did you really think Laf was going to step right in and dominate? You won't ruin a young player by playing him on the third line his rookie year, but you will ruin a young player by putting him in situations he's not ready for yet.

 

[NYSPORTS]

If anyone can show me a lineup with Buchnevich included that doesn’t include a winger making 6 plus mil on the third line and kakko/lafreniere getting top 6 mins by all means I’d love to see it and we can put this to bed and sign buchy!

or the cap rises to $100 plus million. Of course, by then we’ll have enough trade proposals for Eichel, Barkov, etc in hopes of squeezing $120 million under than $100 million dollar cap.

 

[aufheben]

Kakko definitely hasn’t been playing top 6 not sure where that’s coming from

he made it one period on that panarin line before moving to chytils wing.

then Chytil got hurt.

but the Rangers went to lafreniere to Blackwell kreider digiuseppe kakko has not had regular mins in the top 6

Kakko started the season on the Panarin’s line and he was on Panarin’s line Saturday night. Half of Lafreniere’s ice-time has been spent with Zibanejad.

 

[Kovalev27]

Kakko started the season on the Panarin’s line and he was on Panarin’s line Saturday night. Half of Lafreniere’s ice-time has been spent with Zibanejad.

kakko played one period on panarins line and not even half the game Saturday night with panarin. He got a few shifts at best. That does not constitute kakko playing top 6 all season.

lafreniere has been playing top 6 I didn’t dispute that. Kakko certainly hasn’t

 

[LOFIN]

Yeah, I dont know if I agree with this. Quinn doesnt seem to dictate how Panarin, Zib, Buch, Strome and Kreider play offensively. I can't get mad at a coach for demanding forwards be responsible defensively. Did you really think Laf was going to step right in and dominate? You won't ruin a young player by playing him on the third line his rookie year, but you will ruin a young player by putting him in situations he's not ready for yet.

Quinn obviously isn't pushing the vets, that's for sure.

And I did not expect Lafreniere to just step in and dominate, that's very rare in the NHL for top prospects. But what I am concerned is that where's the lack of creativity and aggressiveness that was shown in his first game. Where did it go?

 

[duhmetreE]

Shesterkin had a bad game 1 and he had a bad game in the second Pittsburgh game.

that’s it.

the prior game he got beat on 3 goals he literally had zero chance of stopping. Can’t blame him for any of those.

so he’s got 2 wins in which he played very well.

He’s got a third period in relief that he was perfect in.

And he’s got 3 losses one of which he was good in.

So he’s had 2 bad games

I forogt what game it was, but the flubbed shot from the left wall is the one that stands out besides the 1st period of game 1.

Quinn obviously isn't pushing the vets, that's for sure.

And I did not expect Lafreniere to just step in and dominate, that's very rare in the NHL for top prospects. But what I am concerned is that where's the lack of creativity and aggressiveness that was shown in his first game. Where did it go?

into the Quinn bin.