Rumor: Pens and Canucks talking trade

[Love]

I didn't say you were doing that, I said others were doing that. I understand that Boeser is better because he's an elite powerplay player and the Canucks don't need him. I just don't like people saying that Boeser is "miles better" when it's objectively false, or saying that Kapanen has no value (which was said earlier in the thread) or saying Kapanen is not a top-6 forward.

If Boeser never scored a power play goal in his entire career he would still have more total goals AND a higher goals per game than Kasperi Kapanen.

It’s not even f***ing close and yes he’s “miles better”

 

[Luck 6]

Are we actually debating Kapanen vs. Boeser here?

Boeser is an actual legit 1RW, and would be on most good teams. I think he was top 25 in G/GP for all positions, and top 5 for G/GP for right wingers. He also scored about 64% of his goals at even strength, so no idea where this talk is coming from about him being some sort of power play specialist.

 

[SEALBound]

Are we actually debating Kapanen vs. Boeser here?

Boeser is an actual legit 1RW, and would be on most good teams. I think he was top 25 in G/GP for all positions, and top 5 for G/GP for right wingers. He also scored about 64% of his goals at even strength, so no idea where this talk is coming from about him being some sort of power play specialist.

Their stats suggest they are very similar players. Boeser may be better, but not objectively better to the point that Kapanen can't be compared to him. This isn't McDavid vs Kapanen.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

This Boeser/ kapanen discussion has gotten old. Canucks would rather keep Boeser if we are debating whether it’s a worthy trade option.

There’s nothing wrong with kapanen. But my preference is Boeser (and it’s not even close).

 

[SEALBound]

This Boeser/ kapanen discussion has gotten old. Canucks would rather keep Boeser if we are debating whether it’s a worthy trade option.

There’s nothing wrong with kapanen. But my preference is Boeser (and it’s not even close).

Well if they keep winning like they do, they may not even make a trade at all!

 

[SensFactor]

Crosby for OEL, Miller, Boeser???

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Crosby for OEL, Miller, Boeser???

Believe it or not I’d do this as a Canucks fan. It would be Crosby and whoever as UFA’s essentially. 10 million in and 20 million out. You’d be essentially getting a Crosby and Panarin.

 

[SEALBound]

Crosby for OEL, Miller, Boeser???

Pens chuckle and say no. I mean, why?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Believe it or not I’d do this as a Canucks fan. It would be Crosby and whoever as UFA’s essentially. 10 million in and 20 million out. You’d be essentially getting a Crosby and Panarin.

Holy cow, that's unbelievable!

 

[SensFactor]

Pens chuckle and say no. I mean, why?

Crosby is nearly 35. Get some good return on him?

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I mean Boeser is better than Kapanen u have 0 problems saying that.

I guess the difference is Boeser QO is 7.5 million. If Canucks can fit him in long term and want to pay around that number by all means. Guy scores goals and should hit 30 goals in a full season. Guess he Is worth 7.5 million. I don't think there's a trade that makes fair sense unless JR goes after his guy Zucker then maybe.

Not a fan of that as my Nucks fan side but as a Pens fan I'd be kicking my chops.

 

[jackjohnson]

Their stats suggest they are very similar players. Boeser may be better, but not objectively better to the point that Kapanen can't be compared to him. This isn't McDavid vs Kapanen.

Why would Canucks trade a top winger in Boeser for Kapanen? Ask yourself this, would you trade Kapanen for Pearson? Because thats the difference between a Boeser for Kapanen trade and its a clear downgrade for Canucks with no benefit at all.

 

[jackjohnson]

Crosby for OEL, Miller, Boeser???

50 year old Crosby for a young Boeser Miller and OEL? JR said he wont trade the future and that future has Boeser and Miller in it.

 

[jackjohnson]

Believe it or not I’d do this as a Canucks fan. It would be Crosby and whoever as UFA’s essentially. 10 million in and 20 million out. You’d be essentially getting a Crosby and Panarin.

Except Crosby might then retire in a year and we would be left with nothing. He isnt a spring chicken and he would move only to a team that ia cup contender.

 

[jackjohnson]

Pens chuckle and say no. I mean, why?

If Pens can squeeze a cup or 2 out of Crosby you are right. But thinking long term, Pens would take that trade and run since Crosby will retire soon.

 

[Donuts]

rights to benning and green + 7th rder for pens 1st

easy peasy, lemon squeezy

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Believe it or not I’d do this as a Canucks fan. It would be Crosby and whoever as UFA’s essentially. 10 million in and 20 million out. You’d be essentially getting a Crosby and Panarin.

Crosby is 34 sir. He's not as good as he used to be, and he's going to continue to decline. Miller is outproducing Crosby this year, and is 6 years younger. The Canucks should not continue the stupidity of selling the future to try to win now. It's reminiscent of those who wanted to trade Kesler and Edler for a 37 year-old Sundin circa 2008. That trade would have prevented the Canucks' dominant seasons of 2011 and 2012 from ever happening.

If anything, Miller should be traded for a package of younger prospects.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Are we actually debating Kapanen vs. Boeser here?

Nobody was debating anything. Pens fans just looked at the bleeding carcass of the Canucks and went full hyena.

 

[Luck 6]

Their stats suggest they are very similar players. Boeser may be better, but not objectively better to the point that Kapanen can't be compared to him. This isn't McDavid vs Kapanen.

While I do understand the general viewpoint that you are dictating here, I do think the separation is a bit further apart then you suggest.

They are both right wings, Kapanen is a year older. Kapanen has a 0.586 PPG over the past 4 years (using that time frame as that was his break out season), where as Boeser has a 0.816 PPG over the last 5 seasons. There is even more separation in GPG where as Kapanen is at 0.237 and Boeser is at 0.379.

Balance that our over 82 GP and were comparing the following:

Kapanen, 82gp - 19 goals - 48 points
Boeser, 82gp - 31 goals - 67 points

That's the difference between a top tier RW, and more of a 2nd/3rd line RW. When you factor in the quality of line mates that each player has played with over the past few years, the separation does tend to sway further in Boeser's favour.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You forgot to mention salary. We should definitely trade a good player for a mediocre one who makes less money. Right pens fans?

 

[Gfroer]

Vancouver has 3 bottom pairing RD that seem likely to be available (Poolman, Hamonic, Schenn) and the Pens desperately need an upgrade there over Chad Ruhwedel. Poolman and Hamonic's contracts probably won't be attractive without retention as the Pens don't really have a similar contract to send back to even things up but with a small amount of retention (something like 500k-1mil) I could see the Pens being interested.

What the Pens would send back depends on Rutherford's view of his current team. Heinen and ZAR should be available after the Pens get healthy if he wants bottom-6 upgrades. If he's looking for futures Pittsburgh doesn't have many interesting prospects but he may have a guy he's attached to out of that group and Pittsburgh has never had a problem with trading picks but Rutherford doesn't strike me as being too interested in them so that seems less likely.

 

[blankall]

Their stats suggest they are very similar players. Boeser may be better, but not objectively better to the point that Kapanen can't be compared to him. This isn't McDavid vs Kapanen.

Boeser has much better output. The only season they are close is this year, where the Canucks are a total tire fire, and Kapenen is getting playing time with Crosby. Boeser is good for 15-30 points more a season, and that's what separates a good top six from a bad top six player.

It's not close Boeser is the better player. The biggest issue with Boeser is staying healthy, but Kapanen has those same issues, maybe worse.

 

[Jerkbait]

Realistic for who? That makes ZERO sense for Vancouver.

Who's he GM now ?

 

[Jerkbait]

Not even Remotely realistic.

Zucker+1st for future considerations.

You might be disappointed!!! Remember who the GM is ...zucker was his guy... rest assured Rutherford is looking for D but would be open to listening to something involving zucker . Rest assured , one of his first trades will be with pitt.

 

[Jerkbait]

Not even Remotely realistic.

Zucker+1st for future considerations.

Obviously you don't know what plus means so here goes......Miller, a 2nd, a 4th , and PLUS for Casey demsith.....take or leave it..LOL..