Rumor: Pens and Canucks talking trade

[elitepete]

Bryan rust might be expendable if Rodrigues can keep it up? UFA. cheap deal. Penguins can't afford to resign him. If I'm Hextall, I'm taking futures..

Rutherford said he’s trying to get younger. Not trade futures for a ufa.

 

[Empoleon8771]

There's no way the Penguins trade Rust right now, just because they'll never get the value to justify it. Rust has put up a 70 point pace since the start of the 2019-2020 season, but anyone outside of the Penguins will rightfully question how much of his production is a product of his environment (playing ~20 minutes a night with Crosby/Malkin on a top PP unit). They just won't get the value to justify moving him, he'll just walk as a UFA after the year and then some team will pay him $6-$7 million a year and regret it.

The point has already been made, but there really isn't a logical match here. The Penguins only need a bottom pair RD to move Ruhwedel out of the lineup and they likely won't make any drastic changes as long as they keep winning.

 

[elitepete]

There's no way the Penguins trade Rust right now, just because they'll never get the value to justify it. Rust has put up a 70 point pace since the start of the 2019-2020 season, but anyone outside of the Penguins will rightfully question how much of his production is a product of his environment (playing ~20 minutes a night with Crosby/Malkin on a top PP unit). They just won't get the value to justify moving him, he'll just walk as a UFA after the year and then some team will pay him $6-$7 million a year and regret it.

The point has already been made, but there really isn't a logical match here. The Penguins only need a bottom pair RD to move Ruhwedel out of the lineup and they likely won't make any drastic changes as long as they keep winning.

If you need a bottom pairing rd then Hamonic may be available closer to the deadline.

 

[thefutures]

You might be disappointed!!! Remember who the GM is ...zucker was his guy... rest assured Rutherford is looking for D but would be open to listening to something involving zucker . Rest assured , one of his first trades will be with pitt.

Zucker has no value. It would have to be max retention. Should have moved him in summer. Sunk cost fallacy. 19 goals 22 assists in his last 83 at over 5m is worth basically nothing.

 

[Jerkbait]

Zucker has no value. It would have to be max retention. Should have moved him in summer. Sunk cost fallacy. 19 goals 22 assists in his last 83 at over 5m is worth basically nothing.

Cant really disagree there, he has been awful but if anyone wouod take a shot it would be Rutherford perhaps. A team liek the leafs or Oilers tryimg to find some secondary scoring may have a look but unless he is a package, there won't be alot of interest

 

[CherryToke]

Fire Rutherford chants and jersey tosses will be a regular thing if he's targeting overpaid scrubs like Zucker

 

[CupsOverCash]

I know this is an older question now but why did they go for old man Rutherford? He was clearly done in pitt.

 

[strattonius]

I know this is an older question now but why did they go for old man Rutherford? He was clearly done in pitt.

He was hired as President of Hockey Ops, not GM - although he is the interim GM. His job will be to re-structure the Canucks organization. He has made it clear that to staty he's not that interested in trades and that the Canucks are not in a cycle in which they will pay picks and prospects for players. This is why I'm finding it extraordinarily dumb that Pens fans keep insisting Rutherford will target Zucker because he's 'one of his guys'.

The old structure of the Canucks was basically Benning and Weisbrod calling all the shots with no president to oversee anything. Rutherford's plan is to have several AGM's and eventually a GM that he grooms. We likely won't see this completed until the off-season. If I haven't co pleteky bored you yet I will say that most Canuck fans are excited a structure and plan is finally in place. This organization has stunk for the worst part of a decade because of Benning so the idea of a 3 time cup champion with oodles of experience coming in to smooth out the stupidity is very exciting.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He was hired as President of Hockey Ops, not GM - although he is the interim GM. His job will be to re-structure the Canucks organization. He has made it clear that to staty he's not that interested in trades and that the Canucks are not in a cycle in which they will pay picks and prospects for players. This is why I'm finding it extraordinarily dumb that Pens fans keep insisting Rutherford will target Zucker because he's 'one of his guys'.

The old structure of the Canucks was basically Benning and Weisbrod calling all the shots with no president to oversee anything. Rutherford's plan is to have several AGM's and eventually a GM that he grooms. We likely won't see this completed until the off-season. If I haven't co pleteky bored you yet I will say that most Canuck fans are excited a structure and plan is finally in place. This organization has stunk for the worst part of a decade because of Benning so the idea of a 3 time cup champion with oodles of experience coming in to smooth out the stupidity is very exciting.

I think the Canucks upgraded by going from their old operations to JR running the show, but the initial plan with JR in Pittsburgh was the same thing. He would take over as GM and eventually groom one of their younger hockey ops guys (namely Botterill and Guerin) to be the next GM. That didn't happen, JR outlasted both Guerin and Botterill in Pittsburgh.

I'll believe it when I see it with him.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I think the Canucks upgraded by going from their old operations to JR running the show, but the initial plan with JR in Pittsburgh was the same thing. He would take over as GM and eventually groom one of their younger hockey ops guys (namely Botterill and Guerin) to be the next GM. That didn't happen, JR outlasted both Guerin and Botterill in Pittsburgh.

I'll believe it when I see it with him.

The guys is 73 years old now, I can’t see him being around past his 3 year commitment, at least not in a GM role.

 

[strattonius]

I think the Canucks upgraded by going from their old operations to JR running the show, but the initial plan with JR in Pittsburgh was the same thing. He would take over as GM and eventually groom one of their younger hockey ops guys (namely Botterill and Guerin) to be the next GM. That didn't happen, JR outlasted both Guerin and Botterill in Pittsburgh.

I'll believe it when I see it with him.

There's no scenario in which the Canucks will be worse off with Rutherford as President. Even if he ends up the GM for a longer than expected period of time, you have to remember that Canuck fans have been dealing with an elite level of incompetence for so long.

 

[Empoleon8771]

There's no scenario in which the Canucks will be worse off with Rutherford as President. Even if he ends up the GM for a longer than expected period of time, you have to remember that Canuck fans have been dealing with an elite level of incompetence for so long.

I never said they would? I said I'll believe it when I see it with JR about him being a mentor and finding the next GM.

 

[Overrateprospects]

He was hired as President of Hockey Ops, not GM - although he is the interim GM. His job will be to re-structure the Canucks organization. He has made it clear that to staty he's not that interested in trades and that the Canucks are not in a cycle in which they will pay picks and prospects for players. This is why I'm finding it extraordinarily dumb that Pens fans keep insisting Rutherford will target Zucker because he's 'one of his guys'.

The old structure of the Canucks was basically Benning and Weisbrod calling all the shots with no president to oversee anything. Rutherford's plan is to have several AGM's and eventually a GM that he grooms. We likely won't see this completed until the off-season. If I haven't co pleteky bored you yet I will say that most Canuck fans are excited a structure and plan is finally in place. This organization has stunk for the worst part of a decade because of Benning so the idea of a 3 time cup champion with oodles of experience coming in to smooth out the stupidity is very exciting.

Funny you mention 3 time cup champ yet claim Pens fans don’t know what they are talking about. This guy is Dave Dombrowski of Hockey. He sells all the assets chasing championships. Canucks maybe not in all in cycle but bringing in a 73 year old guy to rebuild doesn’t make sense either. They didn’t hire Bruce to rebuild but Nucks fans know better I suppose. I smell a retool and if I’m a Nucks fan I would really upset about that

 

[Hoglander]

Pens fans seem really desperate to rid themselves of Zucker, or to significantly upgrade on Kapanen without paying for it... and just because Rutherford traded for them before? Give me a break. Rutherford also liked the rest of the team because he didn't trade them away, so should we expect to get Pens good players for scraps? Didn't think so.

He may get aggressive when he likes a player, but does he blatantly lie to fans and media about his intentions? I have yet to see any posts suggesting he does, and if you paid any attention to what he has said since coming to Vancouver, he isn't interested in doing his old team favors at the expense of his current one. Plus, if Rutherford paid any attention to what has been happening in Van before he arrived, he would've been well aware that fans would be calling for his head in short order, if he attempted the nonsensical trades being suggested in this thread. Zucker isn't happening, and Kapanen isn't being traded for the suggested Vancouver pieces, without adding significantly (a 2nd isn't going to cut it).

 

[strattonius]

Funny you mention 3 time cup champ yet claim Pens fans don’t know what they are talking about. This guy is Dave Dombrowski of Hockey. He sells all the assets chasing championships. Canucks maybe not in all in cycle but bringing in a 73 year old guy to rebuild doesn’t make sense either. They didn’t hire Bruce to rebuild but Nucks fans know better I suppose. I smell a retool and if I’m a Nucks fan I would really upset about that

What does Rutherford winning the cup 3x have anything to do with Pittsburgh fans in this thread? Weird equivalency you're trying to make here. So you're saying because you've witnessed a couple cups you know what winning looks like? Okay Kevin Lowe...

Rutherford has acknowledged when he was with the Penguins the team was in a different cycle which allowed him to sell draft picks for 'win now' moves. What he's saying NOW (like in his media interview) is suggesting he is aware the Canucks are not remotely close to that stage.

I'm not oblivious to Rutherford's latter days with the Pens - he finished his tenure with some stinker decisions. That being said, his plan and job with the Canucks at the moment has us in a far better position than before.

 

[Overrateprospects]

What does Rutherford winning the cup 3x have anything to do with Pittsburgh fans in this thread? Weird equivalency you're trying to make here. So you're saying because you've witnessed a couple cups you know what winning looks like? Okay Kevin Lowe...

Rutherford has acknowledged when he was with the Penguins the team was in a different cycle which allowed him to sell draft picks for 'win now' moves. What he's saying NOW (like in his media interview) is suggesting he is aware the Canucks are not remotely close to that stage.

I'm not oblivious to Rutherford's latter days with the Pens - he finished his tenure with some stinker decisions. That being said, his plan and job with the Canucks at the moment has us in a far better position than before.

We will see if he gets two firsts for JT Miller. My whole point is Pens fans saw what he did last few years. I suppose if Benning got hired by some team like Blackhawks and stated he is doing a rebuild you would say he is putting that team in a better position than before? You wouldn’t assume he would trade picks for a quick fix?

Canucks need full blown rebuild but the problem is they have a decent core to start with but let’s see if he gets 4 1sts for Horvat,Miller combined. Nucks fans said how valueable those two are and we will find out

 

[Jerkbait]

There's no way the Penguins trade Rust right now, just because they'll never get the value to justify it. Rust has put up a 70 point pace since the start of the 2019-2020 season, but anyone outside of the Penguins will rightfully question how much of his production is a product of his environment (playing ~20 minutes a night with Crosby/Malkin on a top PP unit). They just won't get the value to justify moving him, he'll just walk as a UFA after the year and then some team will pay him $6-$7 million a year and regret it.

The point has already been made, but there really isn't a logical match here. The Penguins only need a bottom pair RD to move Ruhwedel out of the lineup and they likely won't make any drastic changes as long as they keep winning.

E rod has made rust somewhat extendable however this is less about rust and more about malkin and Letang. They hold the future of rust in their hands.
If the pens continue to play well rust probably stays and used as a rental themselves if they fall out of a spot ( unlikely) he will be dealt for a cheaper player to free up $$$$.
Pems need a veteran backup, a power type winger and a bottom pair D.

 

[strattonius]

We will see if he gets two firsts for JT Miller. My whole point is Pens fans saw what he did last few years. I suppose if Benning got hired by some team like Blackhawks and stated he is doing a rebuild you would say he is putting that team in a better position than before? You wouldn’t assume he would trade picks for a quick fix?

Canucks need full blown rebuild but the problem is they have a decent core to start with but let’s see if he gets 4 1sts for Horvat,Miller combined. Nucks fans said how valueable those two are and we will find out

Your Benning hypothetical is pointless. No I don't believe that.

Miller is worth a small fortune. Pretty much every playoff team will inquire. He has an excellent contract and he's a point per game Center with grit - what's not to like for a playoff push?

I don't know think this team should be in a full rebuild. There are plenty of good pieces to build around. The roster construction needs a serious retool on the defense. Forwards are good, goalie is excellent. More than likely Rutherford sees what miracle Boudreau has up his sleeve and makes a decision in February.

 

[Overrateprospects]

Your Benning hypothetical is pointless. No I don't believe that.

Miller is worth a small fortune. Pretty much every playoff team will inquire. He has an excellent contract and he's a point per game Center with grit - what's not to like for a playoff push?

I don't know think this team should be in a full rebuild. There are plenty of good pieces to build around. The roster construction needs a serious retool on the defense. Forwards are good, goalie is excellent. More than likely Rutherford sees what miracle Boudreau has up his sleeve and makes a decision in February.

Retool? So what the Pens have done from let’s say 2018 till now? I agree Nucks have some solid pieces but you claimed Jim wasn’t going to make major moves trading for guys but stay put. That’s essentially what this team has done for last 6+ years. JT Miller and Bo Horvat will be looking for major extensions next year and with Bruce coaching the team you realize you won’t be a bottom 10 team but be where Wild have been for sometime. For someone who hates Benning you sure like the idea of kicking the rebuild down the road like he did for his entire tenure.


Miller was good with Nucks in the playoffs but ask TB and Rangers fans how he’s doing in them.
It’s great he plays Centre now but I don’t see many teams wanting him to be 2C on their playoff roster. Perhaps the AVs but I agree his versatility has a lot of value.

 

[strattonius]

Retool? So what the Pens have done from let’s say 2018 till now? I agree Nucks have some solid pieces but you claimed Jim wasn’t going to make major moves trading for guys but stay put. That’s essentially what this team has done for last 6+ years. JT Miller and Bo Horvat will be looking for major extensions next year and with Bruce coaching the team you realize you won’t be a bottom 10 team but be where Wild have been for sometime. For someone who hates Benning you sure like the idea of kicking the rebuild down the road like he did for his entire tenure.


Miller was good with Nucks in the playoffs but ask TB and Rangers fans how he’s doing in them.
It’s great he plays Centre now but I don’t see many teams wanting him to be 2C on their playoff roster. Perhaps the AVs but I agree his versatility has a lot of value.

Miller is a 1C and he would be a rental. He's on a great contract the next couple years. I doubt he's traded this year - likely next year. And seriously who cares how he was 3-6 yrs ago? Get over it he's a different player since being on the Canucks.

Not every retool is the same. Not every rebuild is the same. I think Rutherford will focus on re-structuring the defense - not sure why you correlate Benning and Rutherford together. It's lazy analysis and pretty clear you have zero level of competency when talking about the Canucks.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Funny you mention 3 time cup champ yet claim Pens fans don’t know what they are talking about. This guy is Dave Dombrowski of Hockey. He sells all the assets chasing championships. Canucks maybe not in all in cycle but bringing in a 73 year old guy to rebuild doesn’t make sense either. They didn’t hire Bruce to rebuild but Nucks fans know better I suppose. I smell a retool and if I’m a Nucks fan I would really upset about that

shit

was really hoping to win The Asset Cup

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Retool? So what the Pens have done from let’s say 2018 till now? I agree Nucks have some solid pieces but you claimed Jim wasn’t going to make major moves trading for guys but stay put. That’s essentially what this team has done for last 6+ years. JT Miller and Bo Horvat will be looking for major extensions next year and with Bruce coaching the team you realize you won’t be a bottom 10 team but be where Wild have been for sometime. For someone who hates Benning you sure like the idea of kicking the rebuild down the road like he did for his entire tenure.


Miller was good with Nucks in the playoffs but ask TB and Rangers fans how he’s doing in them.
It’s great he plays Centre now but I don’t see many teams wanting him to be 2C on their playoff roster. Perhaps the AVs but I agree his versatility has a lot of value.

Have you ever hear of a player improving as they entered the prime? Crazy concept hey!!?

 

[Canadian Canuck]

shit

was really hoping to win The Asset Cup

That’s the dream

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I'm going to keep shitposting "Kapanen to Vancouver" until it happens

We all know how much GMJR loves to reacquire the same players OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again. Don't be shocked if he pays a ransom for Kapanen. Once he locks on he pays a premium to get what he wants.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Boeser+ for Marino and Kapanen?

Rutherford loves Kapanen. Don't be shocked if he trades Boeser straight up for him. No joke because that's just how GMJR is.