Player Discussion: Patrik Laine IVever: a new hope? (Laine out of PAP, trade request still stands)

[Byrral]

$10m for 8 years for Laine? Too risky for me. Inconsistency and injuries prevent me from supporting this number.

I support a 5 year contract at $44m or lower if possible. It would put his AAV above younger players like Chabot, Heiskenen and Brady Tkuchuck and below others like Kaprizov, Makar and Rantanen.

 

[The Jones Zone]

I think 5 x $9,5-10,0. We have to remember that we aren`t Tampa or Florida, so we have to pay more, see Werenski's contract.

Don't believe he's played a good enough 200 foot game to deserve that

8 Mill X 5 or 6 years

anything over 8 is too risky IMO

 

[VT]

Don't believe he's played a good enough 200 foot game to deserve that

8 Mill X 5 or 6 years

anything over 8 is too risky IMO

No one would sign that contract.

 

[Finner]

9M 7Y. Called it

 

[Crede777]

I think they price him the same as Werenski and go $9.5 million x 8. To me, Werenski's value is higher given his position and consistency, but that would be ballpark and hard to argue against if Laine's camp gives the full court press.

 

[VT]

 

[majormajor]

I think they price him the same as Werenski and go $9.5 million x 8. To me, Werenski's value is higher given his position and consistency, but that would be ballpark and hard to argue against if Laine's camp gives the full court press.

Werenski isn't a real $9.5m player and Laine isn't either (most of the time).

The only reason Werenski got that contract was because he had to be the anchor and stop the exodus of star talent. There was no alternative.

If we pay everyone a million or two more than they are worth we are never going to be a great team. We'll need players to come along and be better than Werenski and Laine have been to be that great team and there won't be any room to pay them their worth if we're overpaying everyone.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Paint me as someone who believes Werenski is a 9.5 million dman

Laine can be that but he’s not consistent enough. I still maintain Laine needs to be around 8.5 million ideally.

 

[EspenK]

A million here, a million there...I don't believe it matters. The Jackets have plenty of cap space and when Jake probably leaves in 2 years his 8,5 will absorb Laine's hit. I think the bigger concern is term and NYC/NMC. If Jarmo goes 8 years and Laine isn't consistently good moving him become s more difficult. On the other hand term & the clauses will probably be necessary to get the deal done.

 

[Xoggz22]

Paint me as someone who believes Werenski is a 9.5 million dman

Laine can be that but he’s not consistent enough. I still maintain Laine needs to be around 8.5 million ideally.

I don't think Laine will ever be a dman. That's just my opinion though.

As far as what he'll get paid... I would be surprised (happily) if it were anything less than Werenski. I think his play this year was the step back to show that last year was the anomaly and that his skill set, and my expectation, is that he's a 40+ goal scorer who should be a PPG guy at a minimum. No idea where this ends up but my cutoff would be $9.5MM AAV. I'd love to see it closer to $9MM but I think that's where term is going to dictate.

 

[Hello Johnny]

I think Zach is overpaid by about $750k, so for me it's negligible. I think Laine is worth about $8.5M x 6 but feel like it will be $9M x 6.

If we can "overpay" these guys by a total of $1.25M combined, I'll be a happy camper.

 

[Monk]

I think Zach is overpaid by about $750k, so for me it's negligible. I think Laine is worth about $8.5M x 6 but feel like it will be $9M x 6.

If we can "overpay" these guys by a total of $1.25M combined, I'll be a happy camper.

Plus an "ovepay" today might be fair value or a good deal tomorrow.

 

[majormajor]

A million here, a million there...I don't believe it matters. The Jackets have plenty of cap space and when Jake probably leaves in 2 years his 8,5 will absorb Laine's hit. I think the bigger concern is term and NYC/NMC. If Jarmo goes 8 years and Laine isn't consistently good moving him become s more difficult. On the other hand term & the clauses will probably be necessary to get the deal done.

Kyle Dubas, is that you?

Having appropriately valued contracts obviously doesn't matter now or in the next few years, but if we're giving out a long term overpay, then we can't have an NMC for that whole term. One or the other.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

Going to get 8.75 for 6 years

 

[MoeBartoli]

Going to get 8.75 for 6 years

Your number is probably a half million more that I’d like to see but that may be his market. For term, if Laine doesn’t end up on a one year stalemate, he’s probably thinking 5 or 8. The 5 still gives him one more future contract with term..

 

[domi28]

Kyle Dubas, is that you?

Having appropriately valued contracts obviously doesn't matter now or in the next few years, but if we're giving out a long term overpay, then we can't have an NMC for that whole term. One or the other.

Kyle Dubas was my first thought when I read that comment. A million here and a million there is the difference between Tampa Bay and their 3rd line that helps them win cups and the Leafs 3rd line that just occupies the ice for 12 minutes a game.

 

[VT]

Kyle Dubas was my first thought when I read that comment. A million here and a million there is the difference between Tampa Bay and their 3rd line that helps them win cups and the Leafs 3rd line that just occupies the ice for 12 minutes a game.

It's difference. Tampa has Point $9.500.000 (in this season $6.750.000), Kucherov $9.500.000, Stamkos $8.500.000, Cirelli $4.800.000, Killorn $4.450.000, Hedman $7.785.000, McDonagh $6.750.000, Sergachev $4.800.000, Vasilevsky $9.500.000. In this season Palát $5.300.000.
We have Voracek $8.250.000, Nyquist $5.500.000, Bjorkstrand $5.400.000, Werenski $9.583.334, Merzlikins $5.400.000. Besides, players under 30 years have long-term contracts, Voracek still only 2 years, Nyquist 1 year. And except Laine (future contracts) we don't have player who can have more $9.000.000 contract still 5 season minimum. Even if trade we would trade some players what would mean a part of salary less. Also don't forget salary cap will be higher. Of course, if world situation won't change.

 

[koteka]

Kyle Dubas was my first thought when I read that comment. A million here and a million there is the difference between Tampa Bay and their 3rd line that helps them win cups and the Leafs 3rd line that just occupies the ice for 12 minutes a game.

Kyle Dubas doesn’t overpay be a million here and a million there. He is more like $3 million here and $2.5 million there and add another forward we don’t even need at the market rate for a top free agent (including full NMC) instead of improving the defense.

Keeping your young star players happy by overpaying a million dollars right now isn’t going to ruin this team. Adding a dumb free agent with a long contract at $6 million annually is what kills teams in rebuilds.

 

[Jovavic]

Kyle Dubas doesn’t overpay be a million here and a million there. He is more like $3 million here and $2.5 million there and add another forward we don’t even need at the market rate for a top free agent (including full NMC) instead of improving the defense.

Keeping your young star players happy by overpaying a million dollars right now isn’t going to ruin this team. Adding a dumb free agent with a long contract at $6 million annually is what kills teams in rebuilds.

Another example would be the Kevin Hayes contract in Philly

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

I think Zach is overpaid by about $750k, so for me it's negligible. I think Laine is worth about $8.5M x 6 but feel like it will be $9M x 6.

If we can "overpay" these guys by a total of $1.25M combined, I'll be a happy camper.

You seldom regret an overpay for a guy that has earned a prime role on your team. What really hurts is paying $4-5 million per year to someone that multiple guys in the minors could essentially replace.

 

[EspenK]

I get a real kick out of the "so & so" is overpaid by $657,334.43 comments. How in the heck does one determine that? My comment of a million here, a million there was merely reflecting that the Jackets have a tremendous amount of cap space now and for the foreseeable future.

 

[Hello Johnny]

I get a real kick out of the "so & so" is overpaid by $657,334.43 comments. How in the heck does one determine that?

By comparing the contracts to others around the league? Not sure why it hits a nerve.

 

[Youngguns1380]

By comparing the contracts to others around the league? Not sure why it hits a nerve.

Sorry but when you said “hits a nerve” this was my immediate thought - the game Operation .

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[Halberdier]

5 years, 9.5M AAV. Now, just sign it!