Value of: Parayko to Oilers

[Czechboy]

And

Nurse makes 9M by comparison!


He would be top pairing on the Oilers - a team that is competing.

He'd be top 4 mixed in with Nurse, Bouch and Ek. A tremendous upgrade on Ceci. However, we can't afford him and he's not a target for us unfortunately.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

Bouchard 1st 2024 1st 2025

For

Parayko

But Bouchard I'd better....

 

[GOilers88]

Nurse woulf look great next to parayko.

Krug 1st 2024 bolduc

Nurs 2mil retained

Why would you even do this?

 

[LTIR]

Why would you even do this?

He is just trying to make a point.
Parayko is as valuable to STL as Nurse is to EDM.
With Faulk on the team they don't even want Bouchard+1sts for him. That was also making a point that it's gonna hurt if you want Parayko.

 

[GOilers88]

He is just trying to make a point.
Parayko is as valuable to STL as Nurse is to EDM.
With Faulk on the team they don't even want Bouchard+1sts for him. That was also making a point that it's gonna hurt if you want Parayko.

That's fair. I'm also in agreement with St. Louis fans that there's virtually zero reason for the Blues to trade him without a massive haul, let alone with retention, because that's batshit crazy.

 

[GreeningOil]

I would trade a lot for Parayko.

I’d do Ceci, Broberg, Bourgault (recent 1st pick forward), 1st this year & 2025 1st or 2 2nds

For Parayko. Empty the cupboards, but we need to win.

 

[belair]

We have had 7 first rounders in the last 5 years or so I believe. Our cupboard isn’t bare by any means. Kyrou and Thomas are here for the long haul.

The issue is with those two signed long term. Do you go with a 3 year retool or an 8 year rebuild?

If we miss the playoffs by a decent margin I’d bet someone gets bought out if we can’t move them. Armstrong never buys anyone out and he had mentioned it in a presser not long ago. He didn’t name names. But I think you can imagine it’s one of Krug, Saad or Schenn. Faulk certainly isn’t a great player in the d zone but you aren’t going to replace him on the open market currently.

I understand why the rumors come about. But you also have to understand that a late 1st, b tier prospects/reclamation projects (prospects who haven’t panned out in around a season or so NHL time), and cap dumps isn’t helping us achieve anything.

If we could get a lottery pick for Parayko and a young defenseman or a young high end defenseman prospect even it would make a little more sense. But from the teams that consistently ask for Parayko on here, they don’t have those pieces.

For example let’s look at the Oilers. What do they offer? 2 1sts and Broberg with Ceci/cap coming back? It’s hard to imagine a scenario where Broberg is anything more than a bottom of the roster defenseman at this point. He’s still young, but he hasn’t really shown anything. 2 picks presumably after pick 20? Long shot, but I guess possibility there. Not willing to bet on that.

So where do you start to construct something that works? Bouchard shouldn’t be moved by the oilers, nor can he play the part Parayko does. They don’t have any real high end defense prospects.

I think the disconnect is how people value prospects and picks. It isn't always about how they fit within the organization long-term.

The Blues put themselves in the conversation for premium trade targets when they're rich in trade capital. When teams have a high volume of prospect depth, they essentially place themselves at the front of the line.

The Blues received Zach Dean last season for Ivan Barbashev as an impending UFA. There's a very good chance that Dean never become the caliber of player that Barbashev became. They're also fairly well stocked at the NHL level, making it fairly difficult for Dean to fit in at some point in the near future. That doesn't make Dean any less valuable as a tradeable asset.

If Parayko went to market, he'd bring a reasonable return, but it would be mostly futures. And if the Blues chose to do less to facilitate the salary, that would probably impact the return negatively. That's just how the market generally works. The Karlsson trade is a recent example.

 

[Robtom18]

And

Nurse makes 9M by comparison!


He would be top pairing on the Oilers - a team that is competing.

Yeah parayko would be third pairing or third guy either way the only dman better is nurse not by much and way overpaid.

I think the disconnect is how people value prospects and picks. It isn't always about how they fit within the organization long-term.

The Blues put themselves in the conversation for premium trade targets when they're rich in trade capital. When teams have a high volume of prospect depth, they essentially place themselves at the front of the line.

The Blues received Zach Dean last season for Ivan Barbashev as an impending UFA. There's a very good chance that Dean never become the caliber of player that Barbashev became. They're also fairly well stocked at the NHL level, making it fairly difficult for Dean to fit in at some point in the near future. That doesn't make Dean any less valuable as a tradeable asset.

If Parayko went to market, he'd bring a reasonable return, but it would be mostly futures. And if the Blues chose to do less to facilitate the salary, that would probably impact the return negatively. That's just how the market generally works. The Karlsson trade is a recent example.

Explain to me what is wrong with paraykos salrlary. Explain why he should return less. He is paid what he shoukd be getting. Lets just say oiler fans want to pay 50% on the dollar and thats not going to work. So its just doa

 

[Robtom18]

But Bouchard I'd better....

Um bouchard is by far not better in no way shape or form

 

[PocketNines]

If Parayko went to market,

The disconnect is that Parayko is not "going to market," how many times & ways do you need to hear it?

A situation where Parayko is going to market is where the Blues want to move him. You don't have that. What you have is that Parayko is a key missing piece for the Oilers, they have nothing like him and they are in desperate need of someone like him. As far as the other guy saying no because of it upsetting the team's salary structure, I can't speak to that. All I'm saying is that I see, and everyone else sees, that Oilers have a competition ceiling due to lack of defense.

It is truly only a situation where a team says, we HAVE to get this piece and they make a major asset move. Now, if there were really a deal with major Edmonton assets that Blues fans value, don't you think in one of these umpteen threads it would have been surfaced, with all the brainpower-hours put into thinking and talking about it?

 

[belair]

Explain to me what is wrong with paraykos salrlary. Explain why he should return less. He is paid what he shoukd be getting. Lets just say oiler fans want to pay 50% on the dollar and thats not going to work. So its just doa

There are currently four teams in the entire NHL who could fit his contract in without having to move salary in one way or another.

When a player has significant term remaining on their deal, it's generally considered risky when it extends into a period of time where a players productivity generally drops off.

The example I gave has nothing to do with the Edmonton Oilers. It mentions an example from the market.

The disconnect is that Parayko is not "going to market," how many times & ways do you need to hear it?

A situation where Parayko is going to market is where the Blues want to move him. You don't have that. What you have is that Parayko is a key missing piece for the Oilers, they have nothing like him and they are in desperate need of someone like him. As far as the other guy saying no because of it upsetting the team's salary structure, I can't speak to that. All I'm saying is that I see, and everyone else sees, that Oilers have a competition ceiling due to lack of defense.

It is truly only a situation where a team says, we HAVE to get this piece and they make a major asset move. Now, if there were really a deal with major Edmonton assets that Blues fans value, don't you think in one of these umpteen threads it would have been surfaced, with all the brainpower-hours put into thinking and talking about it?

If the Blues stance on Parayko was so certain, why is he always in the rumor mill?

 

[PocketNines]

If the Blues stance on Parayko was so certain, why is he always in the rumor mill?

Oh that is super obvious. Toronto is in the same boat as Edmonton with the ceiling due to lack of players exactly like Parayko. Between Parayko being from Edmonton and Toronto being Toronto, it is extremely obvious why the "rumor mill" for this player exists. Fans in those two markets have incredibly exciting offense and are in desperate desire to win the Cup again and have been for several years now, they are scrutinizing what they lack constantly, and it's not hard to will Parayko into the rumor mill.

A less obvious but independently true answer is about what Armstrong "should" be doing with his roster. There are lots of people, including plenty of Blues fans, including me, who disagree with what Armstrong is trying to do. But none of these people if they are listening to what Armstrong has been saying and doing can disagree that Armstrong believes Armstrong has a vision, and that vision definitely includes trying to make the playoffs and not doing more of a rebuild than some fans think he should be doing.

And finally Parayko himself had arguably his worst year last year (under onslaught usage) and one of his best this year. So he has risen in the discussion of players teams want, since the team is on the bubble and could easily have a reason to be sellers/rebuilders.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Um bouchard is by far not better in no way shape or form

yes, he is. it isn't 2018 anymore. Two firsts and Bouchard is absolutely insane valuation.

 

[Robtom18]

There are currently four teams in the entire NHL who could fit his contract in without having to move salary in one way or another.

When a player has significant term remaining on their deal, it's generally considered risky when it extends into a period of time where a players productivity generally drops off.

The example I gave has nothing to do with the Edmonton Oilers. It mentions an example from the market.


If the Blues stance on Parayko was so certain, why is he always in the rumor mill?

Necause he is an amazing big great skating defensive dman that everyone wants. Blues are a bubble team. Lets be honest here how teams fit him in is not the blues problem and
it defiantly doesnt reduce a #1rhd value.

Secondly- this is profesional hockey there is always risk and reward when making moves. Just because you want 4-5 years of paraykos prime but not 2-3 of decline is also not the blues problem. That doesnt reduce his value.
Thirdly if you dont want to pay for a #1 rhd then dont. Blues would prefer to keep him.

So lets just drop this thread. Its going to take an over payment and blues are not retaining. The blues may take a 1 or 2 year cap dump but like i said the oilers or other teams salarycap issues are not the blues problem.

yes, he is. it isn't 2018 anymore. Two firsts and Bouchard is absolutely insane valuation.

Ok them move along. Parayko is not forsale. We do this every year in offseason and trade deadline. Ita kinda getting old. Target someone else. Bouchard is not better than parayko end of story.

Oh that is super obvious. Toronto is in the same boat as Edmonton with the ceiling due to lack of players exactly like Parayko. Between Parayko being from Edmonton and Toronto being Toronto, it is extremely obvious why the "rumor mill" for this player exists. Fans in those two markets have incredibly exciting offense and are in desperate desire to win the Cup again and have been for several years now, they are scrutinizing what they lack constantly, and it's not hard to will Parayko into the rumor mill.

A less obvious but independently true answer is about what Armstrong "should" be doing with his roster. There are lots of people, including plenty of Blues fans, including me, who disagree with what Armstrong is trying to do. But none of these people if they are listening to what Armstrong has been saying and doing can disagree that Armstrong believes Armstrong has a vision, and that vision definitely includes trying to make the playoffs and not doing more of a rebuild than some fans think he should be doing.

And finally Parayko himself had arguably his worst year last year (under onslaught usage) and one of his best this year. So he has risen in the discussion of players teams want, since the team is on the bubble and could easily have a reason to be sellers/rebuilders.

Great take man.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Necause he is an amazing big great skating defensive dman that everyone wants. Blues are a bubble team. Lets be honest here how teams fit him in is not the blues problem and
it defiantly doesnt reduce a #1rhd value.

Secondly- this is profesional hockey there is always risk and reward when making moves. Just because you want 4-5 years of paraykos prime but not 2-3 of decline is also not the blues problem. That doesnt reduce his value.
Thirdly if you dont want to pay for a #1 rhd then dont. Blues would prefer to keep him.

So lets just drop this thread. Its going to take an over payment and blues are not retaining. The blues may take a 1 or 2 year cap dump but like i said the oilers or other teams salarycap issues are not the blues problem.


Ok them move along. Parayko is not forsale. We do this every year in offseason and trade deadline. Ita kinda getting old. Target someone else. Bouchard is not better than parayko end of story.


Great take man.

Back it up or take it back, my guy. Bouchard plays on a better team and has better impacts than Parayko does. He's also younger and doesn't have a back held together by scotch tape and popsicle sticks.

"two firsts and Bouchard" you have lost your mind. If he's not available then he's not available and that's fine but attaching an insane valuation to him is ridiculous.

 

[TurgPavs]

Knies 1st 2024 and topi niemela cap dump 1 year

For

Parayko 2nd 2024

IMO Topi, Knies, a 1st in 2024 is a solid offer for CP.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

Um bouchard is by far not better in no way shape or form

Unless you look at any stat

 

[Robtom18]

Back it up or take it back, my guy. Bouchard plays on a better team and has better impacts than Parayko does. He's also younger and doesn't have a back held together by scotch tape and popsicle sticks.

"two firsts and Bouchard" you have lost your mind. If he's not available then he's not available and that's fine but attaching an insane valuation to him is ridiculous.

You back it up parayko had one bad season aftrr recoverying from a back issue. Scotch tape lmfao. Parayko plays 25+ plays against the best opponets with a weaker partner puts up 30 consitently with out pp time and has played in 91% of all games since he has been a blue. Your attacks on colt have no merit. He isnt available please move along.

 

[Robtom18]

Edm-Colton parayko is broken, held to gether with scotch tape.
Blues- then why do you want him.

Edm- colt parayko isnt a good defender. He isnt a #1rhd.

Blues -he would be your # 1rhd he would play 25+ mins. So if he isnt good why do you want him.

Edm - he gets paid to much and defenders are no good after 34. To much term.

Blues - then why do you want him. Several dman have played well into 40s

Edm - just cant fit him in our cap unless you take crap and heavy term back.

Blues - your cap issues are not blues problems.

Edm - we will give you crap and you will take it.

Blues - gfys parayko is not forsale.


So it appears blues and oilers are not good trade partners. So lets just end it. Walk away and see what happe s.

 

[belair]

Oh that is super obvious. Toronto is in the same boat as Edmonton with the ceiling due to lack of players exactly like Parayko. Between Parayko being from Edmonton and Toronto being Toronto, it is extremely obvious why the "rumor mill" for this player exists. Fans in those two markets have incredibly exciting offense and are in desperate desire to win the Cup again and have been for several years now, they are scrutinizing what they lack constantly, and it's not hard to will Parayko into the rumor mill.

A less obvious but independently true answer is about what Armstrong "should" be doing with his roster. There are lots of people, including plenty of Blues fans, including me, who disagree with what Armstrong is trying to do. But none of these people if they are listening to what Armstrong has been saying and doing can disagree that Armstrong believes Armstrong has a vision, and that vision definitely includes trying to make the playoffs and not doing more of a rebuild than some fans think he should be doing.

And finally Parayko himself had arguably his worst year last year (under onslaught usage) and one of his best this year. So he has risen in the discussion of players teams want, since the team is on the bubble and could easily have a reason to be sellers/rebuilders.

I mean, there's probably a small part that's market driven. But I don't think Frank Seravalli is one of those rumor mongers that relies heavily on the Toronto media. He's routinely shown that he's fairly well connected.

From the standpoint of a team that may be poised towards a retool, it would make sense to cash in on the value of a player who doesn't fit the teams age trajectory. And when it comes to a team that may take a step backwards, it's not like that onslaught usage would be rare for a team likely to see significant turnover.

On one side, it makes sense to keep him as a stabilizing vet. And on the other, it makes sense to move him for good value while he's playing at a high level.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Edm-Colton parayko is broken, held to gether with scotch tape.
Blues- then why do you want him.

Edm- colt parayko isnt a good defender. He isnt a #1rhd.

Blues -he would be your # 1rhd he would play 25+ mins. So if he isnt good why do you want him.

Edm - he gets paid to much and defenders are no good after 34. To much term.

Blues - then why do you want him. Several dman have played well into 40s

Edm - just cant fit him in our cap unless you take crap and heavy term back.

Blues - your cap issues are not blues problems.

Edm - we will give you crap and you will take it.

Blues - gfys parayko is not forsale.


So it appears blues and oilers are not good trade partners. So lets just end it. Walk away and see what happe s.

Let's not categorize entire fanbases based on the arguments of a few. Most Oiler fans know exactly why Parayko would be a good fit for us, and would be happy to have him.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

If Parayko had 1 or 2 years remaining, I could see the Blues considering a trade. But with 7 years on a team friendly contract they will build around him in a retool.

Therefore it would take a massive overpay to get the Blues to trade him.

Oilers fans need to give up on this dream. Ain’t happening! You don’t have the assets needed to make a trade.

 

[Robtom18]

Let's not categorize entire fanbases based on the arguments of a few. Most Oiler fans know exactly why Parayko would be a good fit for us, and would be happy to have him.

The guy is amazing. We thought we ha da pronger but he just didnt do that. Give him a reliable partner and he is on of the best two ways in the game. 6.5 for him is not an over payment. Maybe 1 or 2 years long. Butthe eay he skates and the fact he isnt tremendously physical whose to say he doesnt last as long as chara or other dmen who were effective into their late 30s and 40s.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

Edm - we will give you crap and you will take it.

Blues - gfys parayko is not forsale.


So it appears blues and oilers are not good trade partners. So lets just end it. Walk away and see what happe s.

I've asked before and I will ask again, where are the crap offers? I don't believe a single Oilers fan has put in an offer in this thread. You asked for Bouchard and 2 firsts, someone who seems to chime in on every Oilers thread, but isn't a fan put in an offer.

I get that your feelings have been hurt in other Parayko threads and that's valid, but it wasn't here.

 

[Robtom18]

I've asked before and I will ask again, where are the crap offers? I don't believe a single Oilers fan has put in an offer in this thread. You asked for Bouchard and 2 firsts, someone who seems to chime in on every Oilers thread, but isn't a fan put in an offer.

I get that your feelings have been hurt in other Parayko threads and that's valid, but it wasn't here.

Lol get over your self. There were several bad offers from oilers fans. Dont act wounded when the offers are rejected. This song and dance about parayko has gone on since 2018 and twice a year. Just let it go.