Injury Report: Pacioretty ruptures his Achilles again - placed on season ending IR

[AhosDatsyukian]

That's a big jump. We've definitely seen some of these players slow down in their development for a season, most recently Necas.

Doesn't mean Necas will forever be at the point he is now or development won't continue for others, but I think we don't want to rely too heavily on Jarvis to make a leap in scoring just yet.

The thing with Jarvis, and I completely understand tempering expectations, is he passes the eye test as well as anyone has coming through here recently. Reminds me a lot of Aho in terms of doing all the little things right. Also, he put up 40 points in 68 games despite playing in the bottom 6 with weaker linemates for a significant amount of that time.

He's small but he plays the game big, is always in the right place and has great hockey instincts and has a pretty damn good shot too. As he gets consistent top 6 time, gets stronger and his confidence grows I think he'll continue to get better. 30G/70P wouldn't surprise me at all this year. Not penciling those stats in for him but I think based on what we saw from him last year he's more likely to have an ascent like Aho (or his most often comparable, Brayden Point) than Necas was. We'll have to wait to find out but I'm most excited about Jarvis out of any of our young guys.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

In fairness to Necas, the quality of his minutes decreased year over year. That big month of March 2021 that influences his stats so much (17 points in 14 games) saw him get the usage I referenced on the previous page. Injuries opened the door for him to play with Aho regularly (Niederreiter - Aho - Necas) and get consistent 1st unit PP time. The team got healthy and he was pushed down the lineup. His production sank in concert.

 

[Negan4Coach]

The thing with Jarvis, and I completely understand tempering expectations, is he passes the eye test as well as anyone has coming through here recently. Reminds me a lot of Aho in terms of doing all the little things right. Also, he put up 40 points in 68 games despite playing in the bottom 6 with weaker linemates for a significant amount of that time.

He's small but he plays the game big, is always in the right place and has great hockey instincts and has a pretty damn good shot too. As he gets consistent top 6 time, gets stronger and his confidence grows I think he'll continue to get better. 30G/70P wouldn't surprise me at all this year. Not penciling those stats in for him but I think based on what we saw from him last year he's more likely to have an ascent like Aho (or his most often comparable, Brayden Point) than Necas was. We'll have to wait to find out but I'm most excited about Jarvis out of any of our young guys.

Yeah I really like Jarvis from just the way I see him play. Fast, rapid decision making, great stick handling, quick shot- things one doesn't expect from a rookie. Imagine he bulks up some. I'll bet he gets 30 this year.

 

[StorminSnvechnAho]

Yeah I really like Jarvis from just the way I see him play. Fast, rapid decision making, great stick handling, quick shot- things one doesn't expect from a rookie. Imagine he bulks up some. I'll bet he gets 30 this year.

His vision on the ice is also pretty amazing, I'd bet on him posting 25+ goals and 65+ points as others have mentioned he just passes the eye test the skill is there the drive is there, he's fearless in front of the net.... He's far more refined than Necas was as a rookie/sophomore Necas is over reliant on his speed.

 

[NotOpie]

His vision on the ice is also pretty amazing, I'd bet on him posting 25+ goals and 65+ points as others have mentioned he just passes the eye test the skill is there the drive is there, he's fearless in front of the net.... He's far more refined than Necas was as a rookie/sophomore Necas is over reliant on his speed.

As I mentioned, if Jarvis gets 60-65, Necas gets 50-55, and Kotkaniemi gets 45-50, then that replaces a lot of the lost scoring.

But then again....

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

--Rudyard Kippling

 

[htdoc]

This totally stinks for Patches and i hope he makes a full recovery and the article today from Chip holds true that the team find a way to keep him fully engaged with the team so that he can come back strong and help in the second half of the season and blend seamlessly when it happens...

Sounds like we for sure have Drury and Noesen on a line trying to be a scoring line... maybe martinook is on line with Staal and that moves Kase to the Drury/Noesen grouping... and we see what other youngsters/vets on 2 ways etc do to try to push for ice time with the big club..

Turbo-Aho-Jarvis
Svech - KK - Necas
Noeson-Drury-Kase
Martinook-Staal-Fast

Im not indicating what line number any of the above groupings are on purpose and just because the Staal line was the 4th on listed shouldn't be taken as me calling it the 4th line.....Given how much ice time the Staal line gets pulling the toughest defensive assignments, having Marty listed there kind of makes sense and im trying to think of things in this way instead of Brindy putting Marty on the left side of the top line or on the second line with KK and moving Svech to Staal line..... which as much as we all hate the idea of Brindy overslotting Marty, Brindy can't help himself from giving too much ice time to Marty... so if it is going to happen, hopefully it will be on the checking line instead of what is supposed to be one of our top scoring lines.....then in the aggregate it won't hurt as much as it won't kill all the offense on those scoring lines...

It is possible that Pederson or Dzingel factor in there somewhere if more injuries inevitably happen or its not working with Noesen or Drury up with the big club... but some variation of the above top 12 is how I likely see it playing out to start the year... we *could* still add some veterans on 1m deals so that burying them later when Patches is back gets us relief and doesn't cause cap problems to send them down.... so a re-signing of Stepan now makes more sense than it did before the injury as insurance until Patches is back...

I bet Waddell got a ton of calls from agents for UFAs looking to sign a 1 year deal to keep their clients with a job for next year......

ETA among other things: Stupid auto comolete/autocorrect making Dzingel into D'Angelo for some reason......

Also now I see that others saying the same things about Stepan and line combos and such in the other thread now that I read that one after posting this here great minds think alike and all that hahaha

 

[Vagrant]

I had this thought about stromwall - necas - kase at one point. probably not realistic, but that would immediately be one of the fastest lines in hockey and it would put necas with some shooters that he needs and a countryman that can probably read him a little better stylistically. if you could find 12-14 minutes a night for that line they'd be hell on wheels. get necas his extra minutes on the powerplay to put him in the 15-16 range and shift drury - staal - UFA tryout in this spot. tyler ennis would bring some good compete and offense to that line. target the same 10-12 minutes at even strength and give jordan all the PK he can stomach. don't count out stromwall entirely. he's shown rare goal scoring ability overseas even if he has had trouble making that work over here.

 

[mikeyfan]

View attachment 576164Lempo help me out. If the Canes were to buyout Gardiner it would put us below the cap prior to putting pac on LTIR. we would then be able to accrue cap space during the year even if we sign someone else with the 7 millionwe get for the LTIR. Why wouldn’t we do that?

 

[ClarkBolzano]

You have a Lot of expectations For Jarvis. I Hope you are right. Everybody is talking about him as a top 6 winger already. I think IT IS a Bit early For this Hype. Last Season there was a time where He didnt Play at all and Not cause He was injured. Lets wait and See If He can be the Same Player He was Most Part of the Season. I really Hope He can because now after Maxi ist injured Long Time WE really Need him to be that Player.

 

[ClarkBolzano]

You think Management will try sth. To get another top 6 forward now or is the rooster pretty much Set? Can WE afford another quality forward at this Point?

 

[moses malone 12]

In fairness to Necas, the quality of his minutes decreased year over year. That big month of March 2021 that influences his stats so much (17 points in 14 games) saw him get the usage I referenced on the previous page. Injuries opened the door for him to play with Aho regularly (Niederreiter - Aho - Necas) and get consistent 1st unit PP time. The team got healthy and he was pushed down the lineup. His production sank in concert.

excellent point. He may have been impacted by Covid more than others as well. never seemed to get going once he returned to the lineup. I criticized the kid a lot this past season. I'm going to see how things play out before I write him off. I still do not think he's a center. his defensive metrics are not good so moving him there IMO would be a disaster. His positional awareness and instincts are not developed.

 

[raynman]

You have a Lot of expectations For Jarvis. I Hope you are right. Everybody is talking about him as a top 6 winger already. I think IT IS a Bit early For this Hype. Last Season there was a time where He didnt Play at all and Not cause He was injured. Lets wait and See If He can be the Same Player He was Most Part of the Season. I really Hope He can because now after Maxi ist injured Long Time WE really Need him to be that Player.

He literally was a top 6 forward last season and into the playoffs. Arguably one of the better forward performers in the playoffs as well.

EDIT: he finished the regular season pretty damn strong with 9 goals and 12 assists in the final 26 games.

 

[ClarkBolzano]

You think Management will try sth. To get another top 6 forward now or is the rooster pretty much Set? Can WE afford another quality forward at this Point?

 

[ClarkBolzano]

He literally was a top 6 forward last season and into the playoffs. Arguably one of the better forward performers in the playoffs as well.

You are absolutely right.i am Just saying that He is a very Young Player who only Played one Season. I am Not saying He Has Not the tools to be a top 6 Player. He showed already a Lot of These tools. But i think that there is still one quality/Skill that He needs to Show this coming Season which i consider one of the Most Important skills Not only in Hockey but in Sports in General,and this is......consistency. will He able to Show a High Level of Play For More than 1 Season in a row? Its Not that easy and this is May be the Differenzen between very good Players and Stars and Superstars. There a Lot of really skilled,fast,talented Players but true legit Franchise Players Bring IT every Game so to speak.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

You think Management will try sth. To get another top 6 forward now or is the rooster pretty much Set? Can WE afford another quality forward at this Point?

From my understanding, in an interview yesterday, Waddell pretty much said that they won’t. I’m sure that’s not cast in stone and if the right opportunity presents itself, they will make a move.

 

[spockBokk]

From my understanding, in an interview yesterday, Waddell pretty much said that they won’t. I’m sure that’s not cast in stone and if the right opportunity presents itself, they will make a move.

I’ll be mildly surprised if they don’t add a forward before the season starts. Before Pacioretty got hurt, I was hoping they’d add a vet LD, but now it seems like they need a top 9 capable LW more than anything else.

Now watch them sign another RD and right shot forward.

 

[StorminSnvechnAho]

You have a Lot of expectations For Jarvis. I Hope you are right. Everybody is talking about him as a top 6 winger already. I think IT IS a Bit early For this Hype. Last Season there was a time where He didnt Play at all and Not cause He was injured. Lets wait and See If He can be the Same Player He was Most Part of the Season. I really Hope He can because now after Maxi ist injured Long Time WE really Need him to be that Player.

Yes those games were Rod was not trying to burn a year of his ELC.... and then Jarvis forced his hand with his play those games.....

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

Didn't Rod sit him a game to give him a rest when it looked like he was semi hitting a wall? May be remembering wrong.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

From my understanding, in an interview yesterday, Waddell pretty much said that they won’t. I’m sure that’s not cast in stone and if the right opportunity presents itself, they will make a move.

The new iteration of that lord Stanley Twitter (legit? Imposter?) tweeted that they’ve had talks on Stastny, Milano and Kane since Waddell said they would stand pat.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Didn't Rod sit him a game to give him a rest when it looked like he was semi hitting a wall? May be remembering wrong.

yes I think this happened too. But I think that was more of a developmental thing and giving the kid a bit of a break rather than being a "performance related benching" as was suggested above.

 

[Lempo]

The new iteration of that lord Stanley Twitter (legit? Imposter?) tweeted that they’ve had talks on Stastny, Milano and Kane since Waddell said they would stand pat.

It has been the Borg playing 3D chess all along.

1) establish the credibility of the leak
2) questionize the established credibility of the leak
3) leak stuff to keep negotiation partners off balance
4) ???
5) Multiple! Stanley! Cups!

 

[WreckingCrew]

It has been the Borg playing 3D chess all along.

1) establish the credibility of the leak
2) questionize the established credibility of the leak
3) leak stuff to keep negotiation partners off balance
4) ???
5) Multiple! Stanley! Cups!

Not enough PROFIT

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The new iteration of that lord Stanley Twitter (legit? Imposter?) tweeted that they’ve had talks on Stastny, Milano and Kane since Waddell said they would stand pat.

The new iteration might not be the same person.

Even so, Waddell said his phone is ringing off the hook so I’m sure they have had plenty of talks.

I won’t be surprised if they add someone, my comment was more aimed at Clark’s question about going after another top 6 player/something bigger.

Adding a depth forward like Stepan, or a cheaper lower tier asset like a Kessel or Stastny won’t surprise me. Kane or Miller will surprise me, but hey, I don’t mind surprises.

 

[Lempo]

Not enough PROFIT

I didn't want to upset the STHs of the forum with that bit.

 

[MinJaBen]

I’d be surprised if we went after Kessel. Good player, but I doubt the coaching staff would want the iron man streak headaches.