Injury Report: Pacioretty ruptures his Achilles again - placed on season ending IR

[Kahvi]

He flew to Finland for the surgery? Seems....odd.

One of the best sports surgeons in the world, Sakari Orava, was the mentor for Lasse Lempainen who did the operation

Sakari Orava - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Orava retired couple of years ago, Lasse Lempainen continues his work, using techniques developed by Orava

 

[Lempo]

I wonder if he takes a 1y deal next season with us

i would be on it. he likely isnt ready between October and January. 1 year 1 million deal with about 3 million in bonuses should do just fine.

Yes. As the bonus option for 1 year contract is now there, that's a sensible kind of contract.

He will be UFA, though, so we can get outbid.

 

[Borsig]

Yes. As the bonus option for 1 year contract is now there, that's a sensible kind of contract.

He will be UFA, though, so we can get outbid.

On a guy who had an achilles tear, then played 4 games, and tore it again? Possibly, but....

 

[chaz4hockey]

He flew to Finland for the surgery? Seems....odd.


Groin surgery? I would hope nothing was lost in surgery, myself.

He flew to Finland for the surgery? Seems....odd.

Athletes and agents have a better/global database re: the surgeons that either perform a "better" surgery or are more skilled in the operation. Patches tried the local/Raleigh Ortho route and clearly got dismal results so I'm sure right from the gitgo he was open to another pathway.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Yes. As the bonus option for 1 year contract is now there, that's a sensible kind of contract.

He will be UFA, though, so we can get outbid.

I have a feeling he doesn't even bother testing the market and signs a 1 year deal here for cheap to build his value back up following the injuries.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Yes. As the bonus option for 1 year contract is now there, that's a sensible kind of contract.

He will be UFA, though, so we can get outbid.

We could be. I don’t see it with his family already moved and he is a big family guy. Also I doubt many teams give him a lot in guaranteed money anyways

 

[WreckingCrew]

I have a feeling he doesn't even bother testing the market and signs a 1 year deal here for cheap to build his value back up following the injuries.

Honestly he probably doesn't even get a contract until he's healed up. I think he more likely does a JWilly 2.0, he'll be someone's early playoff UFA...that is assuming he doesn't retire at the end of the year and risk a 3rd reinjury which could be devastating to even his daily quality of life

 

[Svechhammer]

I have a feeling he doesn't even bother testing the market and signs a 1 year deal here for cheap to build his value back up following the injuries.

I could honestly see him doing something like a 1 year $1.5m contract here just to prove he can make it through a season. I highly doubt he's going to get any high dollar contract or anything with any kind of term beyond a season.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Honestly he probably doesn't even get a contract until he's healed up. I think he more likely does a JWilly 2.0, he'll be someone's early playoff UFA...that is assuming he doesn't retire at the end of the year and risk a 3rd reinjury which could be devastating to even his daily quality of life

This crossed my mind too but I think he'll rehab with the team and if he's ready participate in some of the training camp stuff (very limited and slowly being brought back up to speed, but still within the team structure).

 

[Lempo]

On a guy who had an achilles tear, then played 4 games, and tore it again? Possibly, but....

Sir, this is the Canes.

 

[Lempo]

He flew to Finland for the surgery? Seems....odd.

"The first NHL player straight out of the rink", is how Lempainen put it. They have been consulted before from NHL and NBA, and one Chicago Blackhawk would have come for surgery but Hawks required the operation be made in US in a hospital of their choice.

Lempainen seems to think Pacioretty's opinion weighted a lot, and ditto that of the Finns in the organization.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Now we move into the next phrase of questioning. Was this surgery was done to further his career (probable) or just to maintain a good quality of life?

He will probably be in Finland a bit longer before flying home (post surgery safety before flying) and hopefully someone will reach out to him to provide color on what his next steps are.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

A couple of interesting comments from the Dr.

"LEMPAINEN says that rehabilitation is monitored in stages. I told him that at least 8-9 months is the time for him to be fit to play. It's a different thing to play baseball after six months than to be in an NHL bowl.

Lempainen emphasizes that Pacioretty's case was different now. It was a recurrence of the same injury and the first surgery may not have been successful enough."

Much longer timeline than the first injury. Because that's what it should take? Or because the recurrence made it worse? or both?

 

[TheBigLetowski]

A couple of interesting comments from the Dr.

"LEMPAINEN says that rehabilitation is monitored in stages. I told him that at least 8-9 months is the time for him to be fit to play. It's a different thing to play baseball after six months than to be in an NHL bowl.

Lempainen emphasizes that Pacioretty's case was different now. It was a recurrence of the same injury and the first surgery may not have been successful enough."

Much longer timeline than the first injury. Because that's what it should take? Or because the recurrence made it worse? or both?

Lets say it takes him 10-11 months to be 100% I think he signs a show-me deal with the Canes and he'll be ready for early-mid November start. I really like the guy and player. I hope he comes back.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

A couple of interesting comments from the Dr.

"LEMPAINEN says that rehabilitation is monitored in stages. I told him that at least 8-9 months is the time for him to be fit to play. It's a different thing to play baseball after six months than to be in an NHL bowl.

Lempainen emphasizes that Pacioretty's case was different now. It was a recurrence of the same injury and the first surgery may not have been successful enough."

Much longer timeline than the first injury. Because that's what it should take? Or because the recurrence made it worse? or both?

I'd assume both + the caution of having it happen a 3rd time in a short time span giving a longer recovery time

 

[Lempo]

Much longer timeline than the first injury. Because that's what it should take? Or because the recurrence made it worse? or both?

Could be that the operation was performed somehow differently? The incisions could have been made from a different spot than the last time, necessitating more healing time?

I would assume that the expertise that brings the top athletes to Orava's gang time and again is very much about what is the best way to perform the operation.

Besides, choices are probably made on whether the recovery will be four months or up to eight months, with the team having a lot to say about it. At the first time, at least. Maybe the player get a little bit more say on the second time. And subject obviously to the player's contract situation.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Could be that the operation was performed somehow differently? The incisions could have been made from a different spot than the last time, necessitating more healing time?

I would assume that the expertise that brings the top athletes to Orava's gang time and again is very much about what is the best way to perform the operation.

Besides, choices are probably made on whether the recovery will be four months or up to eight months, with the team having a lot to say about it. At the first time, at least. Maybe the player get a little bit more say on the second time. And subject obviously to the player's contract situation.

This would be my guess. I think the interview Patches did he stated they went with the less invasive surgery the first time so the recovery time would be shorter. So likely this one would be the more traditional surgery with the longer recovery time plus the second surgery in such a short time probably adds to it.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

I agree with others on the $1.5M number. I can't imagine teams dedicating much more of their cap space to a lottery ticket situation. Also if we do sign him I'd bet we'll be dealing with LTIR money all season like this one. Good news is we probably won't have like $10M of LTIR money all season.

 

[Lempo]

This would be my guess. I think the interview Patches did he stated they went with the less invasive surgery the first time so the recovery time would be shorter. So likely this one would be the more traditional surgery with the longer recovery time plus the second surgery in such a short time probably adds to it.

Lol, the assumption actually got confirmed in another article: "the long recovery is due to renewed rupture and the different operating technique".

The groin had troubled Patches "for a longer time".

Lempainen expects Patches can return to the top level if the motivation is there for the rehibilitation. They made a deal that Lempainen will be on the rinkside in his first game.

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[Borsig]

I *realy* like Patches and hope he comes back, especially here.

I just like him as a player and I liked his interviews. He seems to fit the team culture, and the team would do well to support him during this time. It might net a team friendly deal for a guy who is yet to be done.

 

[jonlin]

He flew to Finland for the surgery? Seems....odd.

Well, he would have done it last summer too but management and owner wanted him operated in NA. There are athletes from all over the world flying to this surgent for operations. FC Barcelona, Juventus, SA teams etc. want him to operate their players. He has a record for succeeding in operations that has been done poorly prior. It`s actually quite odd that not a single NHLer has flewn here before as much bigger sports have their stars making tens of millions/yr do it.
His teacher was Sakari Orava - world known sports-surgeon who operated Messi, Beckham, Deschamps, Guardiola etc. He even operated Serbias president.

 

[Borsig]

Well, he would have done it last summer too but management and owner wanted him operated in NA. There are athletes from all over the world flying to this surgent for operations. FC Barcelona, Juventus, SA teams etc. want him to operate their players. He has a record for succeeding in operations that has been done poorly prior. It`s actually quite odd that not a single NHLer has flewn here before as much bigger sports have their stars making tens of millions/yr do it.
His teacher was Sakari Orava - world known sports-surgeon who operated Messi, Beckham, Deschamps, Guardiola etc. He even operated Serbias president.

To be fair, what we see as big money, FIFA, EPL, BL, LL, etc see as chump change. A player like Messi is worth a LOT more than even the most S tier NHL'er in terms of revenue.

 

[jonlin]

To be fair, what we see as big money, FIFA, EPL, BL, LL, etc see as chump change. A player like Messi is worth a LOT more than even the most S tier NHL'er in terms of revenue.

That`s why its quite odd that players with their career on the line dont demand the best surgeon`s they can get. Pacioretty was threated by the same team and same hospital as Messi etc. by Messi`s surgeons former apprentice, who is probably the best sports-surgeon in the world in achilles- or groin-issues. Lempäinen also stated that after an operation like this the recovery time should be atleast 8-9 months, so seem like the NA-doctors let Pacioretty start skating/playing a bit early?

 

[LakeLivin]

That`s why its quite odd that players with their career on the line dont demand the best surgeon`s they can get. Pacioretty was threated by the same team and same hospital as Messi etc. by Messi`s surgeons former apprentice, who is probably the best sports-surgeon in the world in achilles- or groin-issues. Lempäinen also stated that after an operation like this the recovery time should be atleast 8-9 months, so seem like the NA-doctors let Pacioretty start skating/playing a bit early?

He's referring to the current re-tear. Lempo posted this quote above:
"the long recovery is due to renewed rupture and the different operating technique".

 

[cptjeff]

He's referring to the current re-tear. Lempo posted this quote above:
"the long recovery is due to renewed rupture and the different operating technique".

Yep, his previous recovery was actually on the longer end of average for an achilles. Talk of him rushing back is just silly. With the re-tear, they're gonna go way above and beyond.