Confirmed with Link: Oliver Kapanen loaned to Timrå IK in the SHL

[LaP]

It's a sad day since i have Max Jones 10/10 rookie card. Was hoping he would find his game in Boston

 

[Runner77]

Max Jones 2024-25 Edition

"I haven't seen anything in Jones that makes me think he should be on the roster at all. He isn't even a physical force. He just takes dumb penalties."

"Gotta feel for the guy. I had high hopes for his role but didn't see that fast hard hockey i was expecting come to think of it, only play i really remember from him is when he accidentally slashed the ref"

"A great day in Bruins Land. What a waste of money."

"Don’t know if injury got him or what. But he hasn’t shown anything to even be on an NHL roster early this season. If only we had got the guy I was familiar with. He would have been a fan favourite.

"Exactly how I feel. I like(d) the player a lot and thought he would be a great bottom six add for the team that was lacking grit and physicality. He's been terrible. I know he was hurt in camp (always the problem with him) and maybe never really got going and could still be hurt in some way. Best if he goes to Providence and tries to pull it together."

"I fully admit I thought Max Jones would be more impactful than he was. Which is sad because any sort of impact would have been better than he was."

Max Jones, Mac Jones — what’s in a name? Phonetically, they’re close enough to have been nothing more than a fail in Boston.

 

[MrNasty]

Do you think the Habs have done a good job developing prospects the last 10 years?

Timmins said he felt they made a mistake when they brought Collberg over for camp because when he went back, he lost his spot in the lineup. But then they repeated the same mistake with Norlinder, who I kept saying should stay in the SHL another year. Yet he bounced around until he finally went back home.

Whatever anyone's opinions are, the only thing that matters is results in the end. Everyone makes mistakes, but with drafting, development, the more mistakes you make, the worse things end up. Everyone should just want what's best for the future of the Habs and no one really knows what that is so I don't get why people get defensive over anyone having a opinion pointing out a possible mistake.

You are reaching here. The examples you are sharing are both old and not necessarily relevant. Not all players become the gem we all wish them to be and it’s not always because of ‘development’. Maybe the Collberg example is because Collberg didn’t deserve a better spot in the lineup. Norlinder had plenty of time to prove himself. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving Kapanen some NHL games and then returning him to Timra. He proved he is a capable NHL player at an already young age and will further work on his game there.

 

[Redux91]

Also

That'll teach the kid to take #91... its reserved! lol

 

[Maitz]

1M$. 2 years. But nope...that's too much. Small price to pay when you bring up Condotta, affecting Laval and not getting better too. And Jones fit the bill of the speed and toughness we needed.

But hey....i mean everything is going fine so who are we to judge....lol


condotta is already a proven bottom 6 in the nhL? When did that happen?

I think they are too close from the 50 contracts and they don't want to add more with all the prospect coming up eventually

 

[Don D]

Max Jones, Mac Jones — what’s in a name? Phonetically, they’re close enough to have been nothing more than a fail in Boston.

Let us not forget Mack Jones:

 

[Michoulicious]

Condotta? The tank is ON.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Right call. He was doing well at first, but now he was simply a jersey filler.

Condotta will be a better fit for the 4th line.

All due respect but.......Condotta is a bag of d***s and should never be more than a 13th forward who plays only in emergencies.

 

[Tyson]

Also

That'll teach the kid to take #91... its reserved! lol

Easy fix...Kapanen has always worn #27

 

[dinodebino]

All due respect but.......Condotta is a bag of d***s and should never be more than a 13th forward who plays only in emergencies.

And it’s the case. St-Louis said Condotta was brought in as an emergency move because they needed a centre short term.

 

[Tyson]

Let us not forget Mack Jones:
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I remember watching Mac Jones at Parc Jarry

 

[CharleyHorse]

Are we in the mix now?

No. HuGo made a mistake hinting they’d be “in the mix.” Last year’s training camp showed how the media clutched their pearls when HuGo wouldn’t even mention the “P” word. So I get why they felt the need in the season’s postmortem to say they’d aim for it, but they’re not even just a little bit close to being in the mix. They probably knew it too, but to appease the media (that would be you, among others, Ray-Jean, whiner par excellence) and fans (who, let’s be honest, aren’t as sharp as they once were), they dun tole everyone that anyways. You can't be at the end of a rebuild only 2.5 years after your new coach takes the helm, and one of your star players returns from injury after missing the entire year of development.

 

[Yasuo]

I don't know, man. I still think it's too early to tell.

I look around the league and there isn't one standardized development plan for all prospects. All teams have some that make the roster and some that cook in the ahl.

I can see an argument for guys like Arber, Struble, Barron to cook. But then guys like Guhle, Hutson, Slaf....it's very common for this calibre of player to play at the nhl level.

I think we just have to have reasonable expectations. We've made like 30 picks in the last 3 years. We're lucky if 5-6 make it on the club. The vast majority will bust regardless of the dev method. I sometimes feel like there is a legit expectation on this board that all 1st and 2nd round picks should be nhlers when that is just not going to happen.

Every prospects is playing against the odds.

Sorry for the tangent.

We should have high expectation from our first round pick we are a bottom feeder. We have been drafting top 5 from 2022 to now and i dont think i will change this year. I agree with mid to late first and later round.

 

[MasterD]

No. HuGo made a mistake hinting they’d be “in the mix.” Last year’s training camp showed how the media clutched their pearls when HuGo wouldn’t even mention the “P” word. So I get why they felt the need in the season’s postmortem to say they’d aim for it, but they’re not even just a little bit close to being in the mix. They probably knew it too, but to appease the media (that would be you, among others, Ray-Jean, whiner par excellence) and fans (who, let’s be honest, aren’t as sharp as they once were), they dun tole everyone that anyways. You can't be at the end of a rebuild only 2.5 years after your new coach takes the helm, and one of your star players returns from injury after missing the entire year of development.

Let's be fair, no way HuGo planned for this year to go the way it's going. No one did.

They brought in Laine, who even on bad years has a history of being close to PPG.
Montambeault was WAY, WAY better last year.
Primeau was not great, but much better than he is now.
Armia played better than now after going to Laval
Suzuki seems lost out there
Dach is playing worse than anyone ever imaged he would, despite knowing it'd take time to come back to 100%

We all knew we'd be bad, but no one thought we'd be THIS bad.

 

[Runner77]

Let us not forget Mack Jones:
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Oh, I just chose to omit him as he didn’t play for the Red Sox.

However, if I were to have mentioned him, I would have brought up his first day ever as an Expo in 1969, when he had a particularly great day at the plate. He was not only dubbed the Mayor of Jonesville but it being Montreal, this happened:

“When I got back to the hotel, I had something like 150 phone calls from the hour of 12:00 to 6:00 the next morning,” recalled Jones. “And it was all females. I think I got the record for that.”

 

[yianik]

Kid flew out on the last chopper.

 

[rahad]

Likely he stayed extra time because of injuries but definitely perplexing since he was three weeks away from being able to go to Laval. Wonder if rhp is close and that's why this timing.

I has sure they would keep him until December and send him to Laval.

 

[montreal]

I don't know, man. I still think it's too early to tell.

I look around the league and there isn't one standardized development plan for all prospects. All teams have some that make the roster and some that cook in the ahl.

I can see an argument for guys like Arber, Struble, Barron to cook. But then guys like Guhle, Hutson, Slaf....it's very common for this calibre of player to play at the nhl level.

I think we just have to have reasonable expectations. We've made like 30 picks in the last 3 years. We're lucky if 5-6 make it on the club. The vast majority will bust regardless of the dev method. I sometimes feel like there is a legit expectation on this board that all 1st and 2nd round picks should be nhlers when that is just not going to happen.

Every prospects is playing against the odds.

Sorry for the tangent.

I didn't say it was too early to tell but it's not too early to be concerned imo.

No one should ever say there is one tried and true way to develop, but how many times of repeating the same things and it not working out before you think maybe try not rushing them?

If you can get 2 NHLers out a normal draft year (not like when you say had 5 top 40 picks) then that's a win, most prospects don't make it, the stats on success rate per round outside the 1st is flat out terrible. It's why I started my youtube channel so fans could see not just the highlights but the things they need to work on. I just point out what I see, that's it.

 

[montreal]

You are reaching here. The examples you are sharing are both old and not necessarily relevant. Not all players become the gem we all wish them to be and it’s not always because of ‘development’. Maybe the Collberg example is because Collberg didn’t deserve a better spot in the lineup. Norlinder had plenty of time to prove himself. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving Kapanen some NHL games and then returning him to Timra. He proved he is a capable NHL player at an already young age and will further work on his game there.

Most people don't seem to know or understand shit about development. The Collberg example was because it came directly from Timmins. Norlinder it's because on this board when we signed him, I said it was a mistake and that he wasn't ready so I added it because he was 100% in the same situation in regards to staying here or waiting till December and then sending him to Laval. I have said over and over all last year everything was on him for looking lazy and disinterested.

Kapanen to me did not look NHL ready, his strength, speed, skating all look like they still need a good bit of work, why then was he in the NHL, was he suddenly going to become a better skater or quicker or stronger? Why did they have to bring him over, mess with his season when he could have been on the top line in the SHL and then we'll see how the year goes. You get 4 years with Euros, why not use that to your advantage?

 

[CharleyHorse]

Let's be fair, no way HuGo planned for this year to go the way it's going. No one did.

They brought in Laine, who even on bad years has a history of being close to PPG.
Montambeault was WAY, WAY better last year.
Primeau was not great, but much better than he is now.
Armia played better than now after going to Laval
Suzuki seems lost out there
Dach is playing worse than anyone ever imaged he would, despite knowing it'd take time to come back to 100%

We all knew we'd be bad, but no one thought we'd be THIS bad.

Absolutely, there's no way HuGo planned on things to unravel quite like this. But they also didn't count on Laine being out of the lineup for 3 - 4 months of the season. That said, I think they always understood the real possibility of regression and inconsistency among the players. Outside of seasoned players like Armia, Gallagher, Evans, Savard, Matheson, and Montembeault, we’re mostly looking at a young roster with a lot of room and time to grow. HuGo keep teling us development just isn’t a linear path - we should believe them. Look at Slaf, he showed real signs of "having arrived" at the end of last season but he is still finding his footing - he'll get back to where he was, as will Dach and Suzuki too. It’s a process. Look at the Devils, who also lost their best player last year;: it was rough for them, after their breakout the year before. Now, they’re back on track. It’s all part of having a maturing team,.

 

[Tuggy]

I'm fine with the decision. We're a last place team. He can play in Europe this season and be fulltime in Montreal next season.

 

[mattihp]

I guess he couldn't / wouldn't go to the AHL? That would've been better.

It's a graveyard for Finnish skaters. Few get better.

 

[cphabs]

Escape from Montreal! Good for Kapanen.

Don't like it, but at least he won't be cannon fodder while Suzuki and Caufield wrack up points.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

I really hate how this organization develops prospects.

Your opinion is that they should have kept him, or sent him back directly after camp?

SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED AFTER CAMP

Or at the very least after the first handful of games.

He showed some flashes, but he clearly wasn't ready.

Shit like this gives me Bergevin era vibes, but at least they learned quicker than he did when something CLEARLY wasn't working.

I am of the opinion that he deserved his ice time and the chances he got. As the games progressed, he was less and less effective which is why the Habs are taking this decision.

The strong start of the season clearly put them in one direction and now they are pivoting when facing a new reality. Can you blame the coaching and management for misreading the situation with how good the team was doing and have sent him back immediately after showing very good things in the pre-season and first 5 games? I'm confident that would have equally caused an uproar among us here on the board.

 

[montreal]

Your opinion is that they should have kept him, or sent him back directly after camp?

I wouldn't have signed him, I would have waited to see how this season went in the SHL. you get 4 years for Euro's, I would rather they take things slower.