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Oliver Kapanen loaned to Timrå IK in the SHL

Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED AFTER CAMP

Or at the very least after the first handful of games.

He showed some flashes, but he clearly wasn't ready.

Shit like this gives me Bergevin era vibes, but at least they learned quicker than he did when something CLEARLY wasn't working.
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I don't see the problem with giving him games. I don't get the whole "let the prospects rot in AHL and don't give them games" attitude. To improve you need to know what you are lacking.

I did lot of competitive gaming (amateur) over the years and you don't learn anything by dominating the lower brackets otuside of learning how to play the games. But after you learned how to play you could spend 20 years in the lower brackets and you would not improve much. At one point you have to test yourself in the higher brackets and see if you're good enough or not and see what you have to improve and work on. Giving a few games to Mailloux, Kapanen, Heineman, ... will help them see what they have to improve.

If we expect to let all those kids play exclusively in the AHL for the next 2-3 years and then they'll graduate in the NHL and be ready day 1 with 0 NHL experience then we are extremely naive and fooling. There's nothing wrong with giving our prospects a few games every year even if not ready just to test them and let them realize they are not ready. If the only thing you do is dominate the lower leagues then you'll eventually think you are better than you really are. You have to be tested to improve.

Kosseca said:
He wasn't ready for full time NHL, but going back to Fin isn't ideal. I would have kept him for the 60 days so we could send him to Laval.

I suspect that Condotta is a temporary solution. Either a decoy so we can claim Jones or RHP is gona be ready soon.
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He's going to Sweden which is a stronger league.
 
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Andy said:
Oh no, Kapanen's career and progress is over because he played 12 nhl games.
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Do you think the Habs have done a good job developing prospects the last 10 years?

Timmins said he felt they made a mistake when they brought Collberg over for camp because when he went back, he lost his spot in the lineup. But then they repeated the same mistake with Norlinder, who I kept saying should stay in the SHL another year. Yet he bounced around until he finally went back home.

Whatever anyone's opinions are, the only thing that matters is results in the end. Everyone makes mistakes, but with drafting, development, the more mistakes you make, the worse things end up. Everyone should just want what's best for the future of the Habs and no one really knows what that is so I don't get why people get defensive over anyone having a opinion pointing out a possible mistake.
 
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Kosseca said:
He wasn't ready for full time NHL, but going back to Fin isn't ideal. I would have kept him for the 60 days so we could send him to Laval.

I suspect that Condotta is a temporary solution. Either a decoy so we can claim Jones or RHP is gona be ready soon.
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i personally prefer him playing in the SHL its a very strong league and with his father managing the team we wont have any problems with his playing time

Could of been right after camp but this NHL experience will also help him
 
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LaP said:
I don't see the problem with giving him games. I don't get the whole "let the prospects rot in AHL and don't give them games" attitude. To improve you need to know what you are lacking.

I did lot of competitive gaming over the years and you don't learn anything by dominating the lower brackets otuside of learning how to play the games. But after you learned how to play you could spend 20 years in the lower brackets and you would not improve much. At one point you have to test yourself in the higher brackets and see if you're good enough or not and see what you have to improve and work on. Giving a few games to Mailloux, Kapanen, Heineman, ... will help them see what they have to improve.

If we expect to let all those kids play exclusively in the AHL for the next 2-3 years and then they'll graduate in the NHL and be ready day 1 with 0 NHL experience then we are extremely naive and fooling. There's nothing wrong with giving our prospects a few games every year even if not ready just to test them and let them realize they are not ready. If the only thing you do is dominate the lower leagues then you'll eventually think you are better than you really are. You have to be tested to improve.


He's going to Sweden which is a stronger league.
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That's literally not what I said.

I said he could get a few games, but he didn't earn his spot at all.

The SHL is probably on par with the AHL, but either league is fine and Laval is already packed, so get him some top 6, maybe 1st line playing time in Sweden is great.
 
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Le Tricolore said:
I guess he couldn't / wouldn't go to the AHL? That would've been better.
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Not sure it would have been better.

We already have Mesar, Roy, Beck, Davidson and Tuch. Ideally you want a vet or two in the top 6. Not sure we can add prospects there. If they ever send Heineman down the player called up should be another kid.
 
Nico Cauzuki said:
i personally prefer him playing in the SHL its a very strong league and with his father managing the team we wont have any problems with his playing time

Could of been right after camp but this NHL experience will also help him
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My problem is rink size. To me Kapanen had trouble adjusting to the speed and reaction time of the NHL. He had some good flashes but most of them died when he ran out of space to finish his play. I'm ok with the level of competition of the SHL (I'm sure he'll also have lot of ice time), but it wont help him adjust to the NHL. Anyway...
 
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what a shitshow this is. I actually thought he was doing fine, even though he was a bit out of his element. Kid has a ton of promise

The Real Timo said:
So is Condotta going to slot in and they will still sit Pezz? If so, whose cornflakes did Pezz piss into?
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Who had a better preseason than Pezz??? He deserves to play
 
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montreal said:
Timmins said he felt they made a mistake when they brought Collberg over for camp because when he went back, he lost his spot in the lineup. But then they repeated the same mistake with Norlinder, who I kept saying should stay in the SHL another year. Yet he bounced around until he finally went back home.
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Shouldn't be an issue with Kapanen. His dad is the GM and his coach already said they would use him like a 1st line centre.
 
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Whitesnake said:
And even if you think it's fine for Kapanen....you had Aman on waivers. Today you have Max Jones. Why make Laval weaker to bring up a player that won't help your NHL team.....
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I think for Max Jones it's because he has 2 years left on his contract, maybe they don't want to commit 2 years on a 4th liner
 
Whitesnake said:
And even if you think it's fine for Kapanen....you had Aman on waivers. Today you have Max Jones. Why make Laval weaker to bring up a player that won't help your NHL team.....
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To be fair, they can still claim Max Jones and send Condotta back down. We will know at 2 PM.
 
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Whitesnake said:
So in resume....

Let's send Kapanen in a league that won't help him.
Let's call a guy who will totally make Laval worst while not improving the Habs.

Great win-win decision.
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It was helping his development prior to this season, no? It seemed like he was in a good environment.. considering he was a bit of revelation at this years camp.

More playing time isn't a bad a thing at his age, and now he understands what he needs to focus on.
 
Maitz said:
I think for Max Jones it's because he has 2 years left on his contract, maybe they don't want to commit 2 years on a 4th liner
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He can be buried so the extra year shouldn't have much influence on their decision if they want him, we'll see when the waivers close.
 
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
That's literally not what I said.

I said he could get a few games, but he didn't earn his spot at all.

The SHL is probably on par with the AHL, but either league is fine and Laval is already packed, so get him some top 6, maybe 1st line playing time in Sweden is great.
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That's debatable.
 
Good decision.

Condotta earned it also. Roy would have been called up, but they want him to marinate in Laval a bit more. Fine by me.

I don’t see any issue with this.
 
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