Oliver Kapanen loaned to Timrå IK in the SHL

[Toene]

I don't see the problem with giving him games. I don't get the whole "let the prospects rot in AHL and don't give them games" attitude. To improve you need to know what you are lacking.

I did lot of competitive gaming over the years and you don't learn anything by dominating the lower brackets otuside of learning how to play the games. But after you learned how to play you could spend 20 years in the lower brackets and you would not improve much. At one point you have to test yourself in the higher brackets and see if you're good enough or not and see what you have to improve and work on. Giving a few games to Mailloux, Kapanen, Heineman, ... will help them see what they have to improve.

If we expect to let all those kids play exclusively in the AHL for the next 2-3 years and then they'll graduate in the NHL and be ready day 1 with 0 NHL experience then we are extremely naive and fooling. There's nothing wrong with giving our prospects a few games every year even if not ready just to test them and let them realize they are not ready. If the only thing you do is dominate the lower leagues then you'll eventually think you are better than you really are. You have to be tested to improve.


He's going to Sweden which is a stronger league.

Which games did you play competitively?

 

[Ezpz]

Likely he stayed extra time because of injuries but definitely perplexing since he was three weeks away from being able to go to Laval. Wonder if rhp is close and that's why this timing.

 

[Redux91]

Had to be done yeah
Had a great camp,
But to put him on the team that fast was..
Come on guys.. lol

No problem with Condotta up

I for one am beyond SICK of having bottom 6's filled with failed top6ers, who on top of everything make too much money
Bottom 6 is for f***ing bottom 6 players
And Lucas is that.

Hope Kap shreds SHL tho, got some NHL xp to help hopefully

 

[EXPOS123]

Doesn’t bother me either way as I didn’t / don’t really see what the hype is about him

People got all excited when his coach from last year came out and said he can be a #2C

Yea he has some decent qualities but I honestly don’t see anything that makes it a given he will be on this team next year.

Call me jaded, but we’ve been through this before where people were saying the same thing about Oloffson, De la Rose, Ylonen, Mysak, etc..can even throw in Kostenko and Rohrer at this point

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Aman is the last thing we need

We need physicality, an identity on the 4th line

While true, he isn't opposed to throwing a hit and has some really nice wheels.

I don't think the Habs know what they want.

They have a hodge podge of players and are just going with it so far for the bottom 6

 

[Ozmodiar]

Good move.

Good camp.
But in regular season, opposition > line mates.

 

[Mrb1p]

Yep. Have fun, not even close to ready.

 

[LaP]

Which games did you play competitively?

By competitively i'm not talking about pro gamer but just competing at the higher bracket of amateur. Did lot of WoW, Halo, Unreal, CoD, BF, CS. I'm almost 50 now so i suck a lot lol i get my ass kicker by average kids so i play mostly single player games now. BG 3 was dope. Still play wow but just casual. Tried the new Halo and gave up after one game lol

 

[morhilane]

How is Laval going to survive without their 10th-best scorer?

He's the Rocket Captain and take care of the kids (on the ice). His skating is not good enough for the NHL.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

A move that needed to be made. He's not ready. I'm glad they didn't wait til December and made the move now.

SHL is a good place for him.

 

[1909]

Good decision.

Condotta earned it also. Roy would have been called up, but they want him to marinate in Laval a bit more. Fine by me.

I don’t see any issue with this.

Condotta will play on the 4th or be #13 forward. Roy, to be effective, must play top-9.

 

[Andy]

Do you think the Habs have done a good job developing prospects the last 10 years?

I don't think what the previous regime and development teams did is necessarily pertinent for the current one.

As for the current regime's development strategy, it's too early to tell. Maybe they fail in the end, but I don't think I can make that call after three off-seasons.

We also need to be reasonable, look at most teams around the league and the players they've drafted in the last 10 years, and the vast majority of them bust. So I am also managing my expectations that not every prospect is a magic bean that will reach its potential. You're lucky if you get 1-2 legit nhl player per draft.

 

[Whitesnake]

I think for Max Jones it's because he has 2 years left on his contract, maybe they don't want to commit 2 years on a 4th liner

1M$. 2 years. But nope...that's too much. Small price to pay when you bring up Condotta, affecting Laval and not getting better too. And Jones fit the bill of the speed and toughness we needed.

But hey....i mean everything is going fine so who are we to judge....lol

Had to be done yeah
Had a great camp,
But to put him on the team that fast was..
Come on guys.. lol

No problem with Condotta up

I for one am beyond SICK of having bottom 6's filled with failed top6ers, who on top of everything make too much money
Bottom 6 is for f***ing bottom 6 players
And Lucas is that.

Hope Kap shreds SHL tho, got some NHL xp to help hopefully

condotta is already a proven bottom 6 in the nhL? When did that happen?

 

[montreal]

I don't think what the previous regime and development teams did is necessarily pertinent for the current one.

As for the current regime's development strategy, it's too early to tell. Maybe they fail in the end, but I don't think I can make that call after three off-seasons.

We also need to be reasonable, look at most teams around the league and the players they've drafted in the last 10 years, and the vast majority of them bust. So I am also managing my expectations that not every prospect is a magic bean that will reach its potential. You're lucky if you get 1-2 legit nhl player per draft.

the problem is they are doing many of the same things MB did, with many of the same scouts MB had. I loved how Hughes talked a good game about the importance of development, but their decisions have not shown good choices imo so it's at least concerning.

All GM's like all humans that ever lived will make mistakes, it's impossible not to, but the problem becomes when you make too many or repeat the ones you make.

 

[Number 57]

And even if you think it's fine for Kapanen....you had Aman on waivers. Today you have Max Jones. Why make Laval weaker to bring up a player that won't help your NHL team.....

It's not a big deal, RHP will be ready soon anyway, and Laine probably in a month or two. We actually have a surplus of forwards

 

[calder candidate]

Kinda of surprised I think there is a loop hole where if he was with the team for 60 day he didn’t have to go back to the SHL and could be sent to the AHL.

 

[Andy]

the problem is they are doing many of the same things MB did, with many of the same scouts MB had. I loved how Hughes talked a good game about the importance of development, but their decisions have not shown good choices imo so it's at least concerning.

All GM's like all humans that ever lived will make mistakes, it's impossible not to, but the problem becomes when you make too many or repeat the ones you make.

I don't know, man. I still think it's too early to tell.

I look around the league and there isn't one standardized development plan for all prospects. All teams have some that make the roster and some that cook in the ahl.

I can see an argument for guys like Arber, Struble, Barron to cook. But then guys like Guhle, Hutson, Slaf....it's very common for this calibre of player to play at the nhl level.

I think we just have to have reasonable expectations. We've made like 30 picks in the last 3 years. We're lucky if 5-6 make it on the club. The vast majority will bust regardless of the dev method. I sometimes feel like there is a legit expectation on this board that all 1st and 2nd round picks should be nhlers when that is just not going to happen.

Every prospects is playing against the odds.

Sorry for the tangent.

 

[1909]

Hopefully Kapanen is not another Norlinder, and when he comes back, he will be NHL level. Engstrom is having some difficulties in Laval. I hope he’s gonna progress and become a real NHL level candidate.

 

[Walrus26]

By competitively i'm not talking about pro gamer but just competing at the higher bracket of amateur. Did lot of WoW, Halo, Unreal, CoD, BF, CS. I'm almost 50 now so i suck a lot lol i get my ass kicker by average kids so i play mostly single player games now. BG 3 was dope. Still play wow but just casual. Tried the new Halo and gave up after one game lol

Mate, I identify with this post, although being a little older my serious amateur gaming was (original) Unreal and the original Unreal Tournament and then Joint Operations, which was an underrated gem. I think my clan's proudest achivement was hanging with a really, really good outfit in a series of Team DMs & Domination games and, despite not winning, realising how far our skills had come from the times when we'd not not even have any arse left to have handed to us.

BG3 was indeed epic - give Sons Of The Forest a go for a good SP experience.

 

[Whitesnake]

It's not a big deal, RHP will be ready soon anyway, and Laine probably in a month or two. We actually have a surplus of forwards

RHP...another smurf that won't change a single thing to this team. And Laine will just be pushing Condotta out of the lineup. I guess that's fine for Laval....then...if they are still in it.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Hey, that's not how you spell Anderson!

Timrå wasn't interested​

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

1M$. 2 years. But nope...that's too much. Small price to pay when you bring up Condotta, affecting Laval and not getting better too. And Jones fit the bill of the speed and toughness we needed.

But hey....i mean everything is going fine so who are we to judge....lol


condotta is already a proven bottom 6 in the nhL? When did that happen?

Jones is a nothing player. He does nothing well. Habs have enough of them.

 

[dinodebino]

Condotta will play on the 4th or be #13 forward. Roy, to be effective, must play top-9.

Yes. So all is fine.

 

[Hacketts]

Max Jones 2024-25 Edition

"I haven't seen anything in Jones that makes me think he should be on the roster at all. He isn't even a physical force. He just takes dumb penalties."

"Gotta feel for the guy. I had high hopes for his role but didn't see that fast hard hockey i was expecting come to think of it, only play i really remember from him is when he accidentally slashed the ref"

"A great day in Bruins Land. What a waste of money."

"Don’t know if injury got him or what. But he hasn’t shown anything to even be on an NHL roster early this season. If only we had got the guy I was familiar with. He would have been a fan favourite.

"Exactly how I feel. I like(d) the player a lot and thought he would be a great bottom six add for the team that was lacking grit and physicality. He's been terrible. I know he was hurt in camp (always the problem with him) and maybe never really got going and could still be hurt in some way. Best if he goes to Providence and tries to pull it together."

"I fully admit I thought Max Jones would be more impactful than he was. Which is sad because any sort of impact would have been better than he was."

 

[GrandmaCookie]

Max Jones 2024-25 Edition

"I haven't seen anything in Jones that makes me think he should be on the roster at all. He isn't even a physical force. He just takes dumb penalties."

"Gotta feel for the guy. I had high hopes for his role but didn't see that fast hard hockey i was expecting come to think of it, only play i really remember from him is when he accidentally slashed the ref"

"A great day in Bruins Land. What a waste of money."

"Don’t know if injury got him or what. But he hasn’t shown anything to even be on an NHL roster early this season. If only we had got the guy I was familiar with. He would have been a fan favourite.

"Exactly how I feel. I like(d) the player a lot and thought he would be a great bottom six add for the team that was lacking grit and physicality. He's been terrible. I know he was hurt in camp (always the problem with him) and maybe never really got going and could still be hurt in some way. Best if he goes to Providence and tries to pull it together."

"I fully admit I thought Max Jones would be more impactful than he was. Which is sad because any sort of impact would have been better than he was."

There has to be a reason he went on waivers.