Post-Game Talk: Oilers lose 3-1 : I ain't even mad

[Man Purse]

Remember all the preseason prognostications for the fortunes of this very young team. So much of it depended on the expected return to form of Whitney. Well, than did NOT happen, in fact, it is a complete BUST.

 

[dustrock]

I love Hall and his compete level is through the roof, but he needs to stop needing the puck and trying to get open instead. And if he could capitalize on a breakaway it would be nice - dunno why the coaches can't work on that with him.

Also, what did he have, 10 PP goals last year? None this year.

 

[PaPaDee]

I wish Tambo would get off his ass and try to make some moves to improve this team. We have a talented core going forward, just missing some pieces.

 

[Njoy Oilers]

All will be right when the Horcoffian one returns.

 

[Soundwave]

Time to change the lines up.

Hall RNH Yakupov
Eberle Gagner Hemsky
MPS Belanger Harti
Eager VV Petrell

 

[joestevens29]

Once again they left their gameplan somewhere other than on the ice.

It's not like we were badly out played and couldn't bet the Kings last night. We just got away from the game plan and beat ourselves, again.

 

[BadMedicine*]

What i mean is teams do not have the time to really work things out. This year was a bad year to bring in a new coach with a new system

The Oilers have not changed their system at all in at least 15 years, they are using an adjusted hybrid a system,with Ralph Krueger adding small tweaks to it. The NewAge Hockey System defines what a historic defensive system and offensive system are , what a hybrid and an adjusted hybrid look and function like. NHL teams dont seem to give breakdowns of their systems so the NHS does it for us.

We have seen what the right core value NHS additions to the adjusted hybrid can do for us offensively, now the coaches are trying to find a way to repeat this overwhelming offense consistantly, it will not happen using the adjusted hybrid system Ralph is asking the players to execute, the dynamics of this system dictate that to generate huge offense the hybrid needs to initiate what is called run and gun hockey but there is no gaurantee of getting the "gun" part to manifest, the Adjusted- hybrid can be quickly countered using a system check-mate and then its just wheel spinning, like last night . This system has a fatal flaw at the core value level.

We have mistakenly chosen to set our managerial expectations based on the maximum performance of this system when defensive integrity is risked for 60 mins not the average performance of the system with intact defensive structure as we want to focus on now. We have hit the wall in terms of offensive production potential systemwise and we need a new ride. The fact is that the NHS is what we need, it is superior , unique, and is comprised of every single core value concept the adjusted hybrid and all of its predecessors utilise, it is an evolution in on-ice hockey managment and we badly need a system that is superior to take us to the next level.

Our managment team needs to diagnose our current systems huge swings in consistancy, when they finally do this they will have no choice but embrace exactly what i am saying, there is no way out and no back door here, the adjusted hybrid has distinct and concrete limitations. We will NEVER see consistant 40+ to 56 shot games or consistant winning dynamics unless we utilise the NHS.

The adjusted hybrid we use will emulate these explosive offensive NHS results but at a critical core value cost , a loss of defensive integrity , this is why it is a flawed system and the NHS is superior. The adjusted hybrid is like a treadmill to a team like ours, it makes us run in one spot as fast as we choose till we hit terminal liftoff speed and then the results stay the same no matter how much more energy we inject-- nothing moves forward-- we dont make it off the ground.

I am glad to see more fans identifying system shortcomings as being the root cause of our inconsistancy opposed to critiquing the coaches and players, it is about time this team put accountability where it belongs, on the system, and the Managment team or round table that chooses it on behalf of the Franchise. One of the real core value weakness this team developed after the Glory years was an excessively long lasting reliance on the Old Boys club, that is how we managed to keep this one type of system here for so many years without losing results forcing a change, the Oilers were in large part responsible for the development historiclly of the adjusted hybrid system itself, it is an attempted replication of the Dynasty Oilers system initiated by the remnants of that organisational core and preserved and mastered for decades. The Oilers tried to do what I and the NHS have finally accomplished , recreate the 80s Oilers Dynastys system potential and results---the NHS surpasses those levels of production. They missed the target many times over Decades and I hit it first shot, it is what it is.

There are still several key NHS core values that can be used to fine tune the system we are now using a bit more on the defensive side of things. This should let us win those one goal games, it is a defensive adjustment that initiates an offensive one, I will post it next GDT. First we need to see the adjusted hybrid twist in the wind again, its the only way Oilers mgmt seems to learn, they actually wait for the bad results to completely manifest before they react to anything critical--this is why I wait to post adjustments on GDTs, I let them adjust first.

 

[CupofOil]

That really depends on how you define rebuilding.

In my opinion this team has been rebuilding since the april of 07' after that massive loosing streak following the smyth trade and leading to the 6th overall pick.

The reality is this that team realized that it wasn't the cup contender it thought it was.

I think all the steps since 07' we're part of the rebuild, that include strying to pick up FA's.


However if you feel that the start of rebuilding was placing 30th and getting Hall then we'll agree to disagree.

Since '07, they had signed Souray, traded young players for an older Visnovsky, chased Hossa, Nylander, Jagr and they chased Heatley in the summer of '09 by looking to trade their best young players and signed Khabibulin to a long term contract. Hardly the moves of a rebuilding team.
The rebuild started near the trade deadline of '09-'10 when Tambellini traded Visnovsky for a younger, cheaper Whitney, although Visnovsky sort of forced Tambellini's hand, and when he traded Staios for a draft pick. Ownership officially gave the mandate for a scorched earth rebuild in that following offseason right before the Hall draft.

No. RNH and Eberle have shot placement ability. Yakupov has 5 goals already.

Everyone in our bottom-6 and Taylor Hall have Marchant-esque finishing ability

Complete and utter nonsense, you come off as trollish with posts like these just pushing your anti-Hall agenda on everybody.
He scored 27 goals in 61 games in his 2nd NHL season, that is 7 more than Marchant ever scored in a full NHL season and Hall has been an elite goal scorer throughout his career up until this season thus far.
Yes, he doesn't have the highest Hockey IQ and his finish does leave something to be desired but he's a goal scorer plain and simple, it just takes him a lot of shots to get those goals.
He's not the only one who is struggling to score goals this season.
Cogliano is the name that you're looking for with Marchant-esque finishing ability.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

2 wins in their last 9 games...against bad teams

got 2 snoozers coming up in Minny and Phoenix

then a 9-game road trip

could be selling off our garbage by mid-March (if anyone wants our garbage)

 

[Johnny McBravo]

Time to put Yak and Hall together. I believe that they complement each other perfectly. Hall creates room, and then feeds it to Yak.

 

[Red Deer Rebel]

2 wins in their last 9 games...against bad teams

got 2 snoozers coming up in Minny and Phoenix

then a 9-game road trip

could be selling off our garbage by mid-March (if anyone wants our garbage)

Khabby might garner a 2nd if he continues to play well.

 

[Turrican*]

2 ex-Oilers score

5 on 5 stinks

Let in a goal in the last minute

Yup, this is a classic Oiler menu served up cold for the fans.

 

[Kepler 186f]

1) Hall - this dudes finishing skills under probable conditions has been killing me all season. should have notched a goal but didnt.
2) excessive fancy crap is still leading to numerous dead plays
3) -3 for the top line sucks
4) Gagner continuously getting kicked out the dot is telling (trying to cheat) of his skill there (36% tonight)... nice wrister on the goal, though.
5) enjoyed Fistric and Smid's game (Eager was decent too for his role)

Maybe that's a good thing? Hemsky was 100% on the dot last night. He beat Stoll twice too.

 

[Red Deer Rebel]

Time to put Yak and Hall together. I believe that they complement each other perfectly. Hall creates room, and then feeds it to Yak.

Nuge should get a look with Yak as well. Hall and Eberle are getting lots of chances playing with Nuge, but aren't finishing.

Methinks Yak has the best shot on the team, yet he is playing with Smyth and Belanger. Waste of an asset.

 

[Turrican*]

Time to change the lines up.

Hall RNH Yakupov
Eberle Gagner Hemsky
MPS Belanger Harti
Eager VV Petrell

 

[Reimer]

Time to put Yak and Hall together. I believe that they complement each other perfectly. Hall creates room, and then feeds it to Yak.

By create room do you mean fly down the left side and let a wrister go from the side boards and then falls on his ass and crashed into the end boards.

Love how Gagner got the nickname snowy pants here, what's Halls? Snowy ass?

Hate to say it folks but Replacement was correct in the off-season with the way the kids played on the farm. They are either going to lose tight games due to being pushed around and not scoring/running into a hot goalie or else they will make a miracle come back every once in a while to get people excited. Oilers PR and marketing must love these types of wins, they coincide with what they are selling.

I'd love to see a stat this season of how many leads the Oilers have had and for how long they have played with a lead this season.

 

[Reimer]

I realize most people here are big on Harti because he is one of the few non-elves up front but seriously what the **** has he done?

 

[MessierII]

I realize most people here are big on Harti because he is one of the few non-elves up front but seriously what the **** has he done?

Offensively this has been his worse NHL stint. He is really strong along the boards but that's it. I never thought we'd miss Ryan Jones so bad.

 

[Oilerz]

On another note, I am quite happy with the results of the teams new conditioning/core strength program I have heard about. The lack of players suffering from (Insert dreaded I-word here) is encouraging to this point. There were several instances last night that in the past would have broken Hemsky into pieces, but he seems to be stronger. Same with most others.

 

[OilCanada92]

Hall-RNH-Hemsky
Eberle-Gagner-Yakapov
Paajarvi-Belanger-Eager
Smyth-VV-T.H.

J.Schultz-Petry
Smid-Fistric
Whitney-N.Schultz(going by how well they played last year and schultz can fix whitneys screw ups in his own zone.)

Next two game before Jones comes back on the road trip. It's battle between Teemu and Paajarvi. My vote is on Paajarvi.

 

[Pennertration]

Guess I'm in the minority in thinking the Oilers actually played pretty well last night. Generated more scoring chances than LA (from what I could eyeball) but couldn't pot. Getting frustrated seeing them not cash in on chances but this team is miles ahead of the dud teams of seasons past (when we couldn't get out of our zone and gave up at the first sign of trouble).

Discouraging loss? Yes ... ledge worthy? No.

 

[Kepler 186f]

Time to put Yak and Hall together. I believe that they complement each other perfectly. Hall creates room, and then feeds it to Yak.

Yakupov isn't hitting openings with a clear route from the puck carrier to himself very often at all. That isn't the fault of the players he is playing with, it shows he is still learning the NHL game. He needs reps and experience.

 

[Turrican*]

Guess I'm in the minority in thinking the Oilers actually played pretty well last night. Generated more scoring chances than LA (from what I could eyeball) but couldn't pot. Getting frustrated seeing them not cash in on chances but this team is miles ahead of the dud teams of seasons past (when we couldn't get out of our zone and gave up at the first sign of trouble).

Discouraging loss? Yes ... ledge worthy? No.

I agree.

But Ebs is stinking it up and I want to try Yak on the first line.

 

[Fourier]

By create room do you mean fly down the left side and let a wrister go from the side boards and then falls on his ass and crashed into the end boards.

Love how Gagner got the nickname snowy pants here, what's Halls? Snowy ass?

Hate to say it folks but Replacement was correct in the off-season with the way the kids played on the farm. They are either going to lose tight games due to being pushed around and not scoring/running into a hot goalie or else they will make a miracle come back every once in a while to get people excited. Oilers PR and marketing must love these types of wins, they coincide with what they are selling.

I'd love to see a stat this season of how many leads the Oilers have had and for how long they have played with a lead this season.

You do realise that Eberle is still leading the AHL in scoring while Taylor Hall is only 5 points out of the top 20 despite only playing 26 games. Combined they averaged well over a goal a game. What did you expect they would do in the AHL?

 

[Musashi]

If you guys decided to change your favorite team to Detroit or Pittsburgh, just think how less miserable all of your lives would appear to be