Post-Game Talk: Oilers lose 3-1 : I ain't even mad

CupofOil

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Offensively this has been his worse NHL stint. He is really strong along the boards but that's it. I never thought we'd miss Ryan Jones so bad.

I blame Krueger. He keeps shuffling these guys around expecting better results.
The team was at its best this season with Yakupov on the 2nd line and Hartikainen on a line with Paajarvi. Why Krueger continues to move Hartikainen to the Gagner-Hemsky line and Yakupov to the Belanger-Smyth line is beyond me.

I understand the idea of spreading out the scoring, playing a grinder with the skilled guys and sheltering Yakupov but at some point, he just has to play to the teams' strengths and sink or swim with it. Yakupov is an offense first player, he should play with skilled players and Hartikainen is a grinder, he should play on a grinding line. That's the only way to maximize the skills of those two players.
 

Neilio

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I wish Tambo would get off his ass and try to make some moves to improve this team. We have a talented core going forward, just missing some pieces.

I would think it has to be deflating for the core players. They're trying hard. Their putting themselves on the line and trying to do waaaaay too much to overcompensate. What do they have to do to let Tambo know that they want to win?
You can see the effort. Even if it is misguided sometimes.
They're playing hurt. Do you think guys want to risk their long term health for a throwaway season?

It would be nice if Tambo would make a move, even a small one to show that he's on the same team. They only time you hear from the guy is when he's denying a trade rumor.
 

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I would think it has to be deflating for the core players. They're trying hard. Their putting themselves on the line and trying to do waaaaay too much to overcompensate. What do they have to do to let Tambo know that they want to win?
You can see the effort. Even if it is misguided sometimes.
They're playing hurt. Do you think guys want to risk their long term health for a throwaway season?

It would be nice if Tambo would make a move, even a small one to show that he's on the same team. They only time you hear from the guy is when he's denying a trade rumor.

Like the Fistric trade?

Khabibulin will be gone soon enough, then everyone can get ticked off that we don't have a decent backup.
 

OneMoreAstronaut

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Is Tambo supposed to make a small move every half dozen games to keep everyone happy, then, or what? He just picked up Fistric.
 

Reimer

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You do realise that Eberle is still leading the AHL in scoring while Taylor Hall is only 5 points out of the top 20 despite only playing 26 games. Combined they averaged well over a goal a game. What did you expect they would do in the AHL?

You're right unlike the NHL where they ar losing tight low scoring games they lost high scoring games in the AHL.

What did I expect? Them to win more games as a team. Seriously how many professional hockey wins do these kids have?

Yes they got the job done on the score sheet in the AHL, but they suck defensively, 5-on-5 and no one knows how to win a ******* faceoff. Those are things I expect to start seeing improvement on. When the one thing they are good at(PP) starts failing it gets frustrating.
 

dustrock

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Harti looks like Laraque on the boards...but even ol' Georges scored once in a while:sarcasm:
 

Gord

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I am concerned. I didn't expect the team to rule the west this year, but only 6 wins in 15 games and the inability to score. it doesn't look good.
giving away too many points they'll need later.
 

joestevens29

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You're right unlike the NHL where they ar losing tight low scoring games they lost high scoring games in the AHL.

What did I expect? Them to win more games as a team. Seriously how many professional hockey wins do these kids have?

Yes they got the job done on the score sheet in the AHL, but they suck defensively, 5-on-5 and no one knows how to win a ******* faceoff. Those are things I expect to start seeing improvement on. When the one thing they are good at(PP) starts failing it gets frustrating.

I wonder if they have Hall take more draws. At this point even if he slipped to 45% he'd be better than RNH/Gagner. Either that or they might have to start doing the Team Canada and have Belanger take every draw.
 

McJadeddog

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Eberle should be demoted to the third line.

The Kings are an abomination. Awful hockey. Its a shame a team like that fluked a cup.

yeah, the kings might be the new minnesota.... ie: the worst team in hockey to actually watch play

this isn't sour grapes either, they are just a terrible team to watch.... good execution of the plan last night for them though.... but they sure did need a lot of bounces (linesman, eberles early crossbar) to get the win
 

Gord

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Guess I'm in the minority in thinking the Oilers actually played pretty well last night. Generated more scoring chances than LA (from what I could eyeball) but couldn't pot. Getting frustrated seeing them not cash in on chances but this team is miles ahead of the dud teams of seasons past (when we couldn't get out of our zone and gave up at the first sign of trouble).

Discouraging loss? Yes ... ledge worthy? No.

2 wins in the last 9 games and a team with all this talent that can't score.
no shame in heading for the ledge.
 

Reimer

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I wonder if they have Hall take more draws. At this point even if he slipped to 45% he'd be better than RNH/Gagner. Either that or they might have to start doing the Team Canada and have Belanger take every draw.

It pains me everytime we play Dallas to see Vern Fiddler but that off-season we should have went hard after him. He's the exact player this team needs in it's bottom six. I mean it would still be the same issue now with RNH and Gagner though. I don't understand how they don't pay for someone to come in and teach these kids, like literally a clinic not a veteran player.
 

dustrock

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When was the last time the Oilers had a dominant 60 minute game?

Probably last year.

That Dallas game might have been the most frustrating.
 

McJadeddog

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Oilers get what 2 PPs all game long, if LA is able to keep us to the outside and then clutch and grab, then obviously they win.

kowal was one of the refs during the last LA game, which was another travesty of refereeing... the kings were hooking and holding all freaking night and there were just no calls... but brown literally falls down on his own, without the petry's stick even touching him, and its a penalty? hall was hooked in one the most obvious penalty situations you could possibly see, and there was no call in the 3rd period... when hemsky went for his little skate in the 3rd there could have been 2 hooking calls on that play alone

this is only the 2nd time this year i've really complained about the reffing (the other time being the last LA game), so it's not like i do this very often... if the refs call the game like its supposed to be called, then the oilers would have had an additional 3 or 4 PPs last night... this is why i'm not really upset about the game result, if one team is allowed to illegally shut down the other teams strength (LA hooking/holding us to prevent our speed), it's not exactly a fair outcome
 

Halibut

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I wish Tambo would get off his ass and try to make some moves to improve this team. We have a talented core going forward, just missing some pieces.

They lost last night due to mental errors, lack of confidence and too much passive play not lack of personnel. They were getting sloppy near the end of the game and not reacting to the changing ice conditions. The ice was getting bad and they continued to try and play a fancy game while the puck was bouncing all over the place.
 

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I think last night was enough proof for me that Hartikainen and Paajarvi need to stay together. Hartikainen looked terrible most of the game until he was reunited with Maggie. Paajarvi too. He looked ok throughout, but he had a little more jump after the two were put together.

The return of Jones can't come soon enough. It would allow us to run a decent 3rd line of 94-20-28 and keep 91-54-56 as a really good 4th line. I'm a lot less concerned about the size in the top 6 as everyone else. The kid line is money despite not having a bruiser, and the 2nd line is pretty good too. Ideally someone like Miko Koivu is playing in Gagner's spot, but there aren't many big, top 2Cs on the market these days (or any days). Yakupov is a 1st overall pick and Hemsky makes that whole line go. You can't get rid of either of them and just plug in a random big body in their place. At least not while expecting the same production. Afterall, the 2nd line is made up of 3 of our top 5 scorers including our leading point man.
 

McJadeddog

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You're right unlike the NHL where they ar losing tight low scoring games they lost high scoring games in the AHL.

What did I expect? Them to win more games as a team. Seriously how many professional hockey wins do these kids have?

Yes they got the job done on the score sheet in the AHL, but they suck defensively, 5-on-5 and no one knows how to win a ******* faceoff. Those are things I expect to start seeing improvement on. When the one thing they are good at(PP) starts failing it gets frustrating.

you'll start seeing improvement in that area when the most important players on the team don't average 21 years of age... the things you are wanting to see (that we ALL want to see) are things that *veterans* are good at... it is a rare player indeed who is good at everything when they are in their 1st-3rd seasons... gagner is kind of the exception here, i have no idea why he isn't better at faceoffs by this point
 

Reimer

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Two points out of a playoff spot with a game in hand ... take a step back

Did you fail to see that they still have to jump over 3 teams to get into the playoffs and that the 3 teams behind them in the standings have only 1 or 2 points less and 2 games in hand on the 8th spot? Not to mention all those teams(8th-14th) have more wins in their last 10 as well.
 

joestevens29

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It pains me everytime we play Dallas to see Vern Fiddler but that off-season we should have went hard after him. He's the exact player this team needs in it's bottom six. I mean it would still be the same issue now with RNH and Gagner though. I don't understand how they don't pay for someone to come in and teach these kids, like literally a clinic not a veteran player.
I just question if they even want to learn. Didn't Kopitar say they practice in the pre-game skate/warmup? No real coaches there, that's something you go and do on your own.

So why aren't our kids seeking help?

Something just doesn't add up. Kids don't want the help and the coaches don't seem to be wanting to teach them.
kowal was one of the refs during the last LA game, which was another travesty of refereeing... the kings were hooking and holding all freaking night and there were just no calls... but brown literally falls down on his own, without the petry's stick even touching him, and its a penalty? hall was hooked in one the most obvious penalty situations you could possibly see, and there was no call in the 3rd period... when hemsky went for his little skate in the 3rd there could have been 2 hooking calls on that play alone

this is only the 2nd time this year i've really complained about the reffing (the other time being the last LA game), so it's not like i do this very often... if the refs call the game like its supposed to be called, then the oilers would have had an additional 3 or 4 PPs last night... this is why i'm not really upset about the game result, if one team is allowed to illegally shut down the other teams strength (LA hooking/holding us to prevent our speed), it's not exactly a fair outcome

I don't know the replay sure looked like his ankle snapped in. Maybe a bit of a weak call, but it sure looked like something that could be called.
 

Reimer

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you'll start seeing improvement in that area when the most important players on the team don't average 21 years of age... the things you are wanting to see (that we ALL want to see) are things that *veterans* are good at... it is a rare player indeed who is good at everything when they are in their 1st-3rd seasons... gagner is kind of the exception here, i have no idea why he isn't better at faceoffs by this point

Oh so we are still using the growing pains excuse here. Well good thing we got half the core locked up to long-term contracts at 6 mil per.
 

Gord

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so did the oilers hit 40% in the faceoff circle last night?
I wonder how much it costs the team to be chasing the puck all the time because they can't win a draw.
 

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You do realise that Eberle is still leading the AHL in scoring while Taylor Hall is only 5 points out of the top 20 despite only playing 26 games. Combined they averaged well over a goal a game. What did you expect they would do in the AHL?

Since my own thoughts were quoted I'll respond. What did I expect? Some of the best young players on Earth to start learning something other than what they came to the party with. Hall, Eberle, all 3rd year now, elite players, and not showing much new wrinkles that they hadn't earlier. In Eberle's case this year representing a profound regression in production, play, and focus.

I expect them to execute a cycle more often and be patient working it more of the time then looking and forcing the one perfect pass through traffic.

I want anything better than the deplorable breakout that this topline has been exhibiting. For a player on this line to actually consistently gain blue line, remain in control, and maintain possession. This line is good when they get setup in the offensive end. But not so good at getting there.

I want better puck support between forwards and D and between linemates. I want short passes if they are there and moving and finding open ice. to that end I want less static play while the line has possession and more movement and puck movement.

When in doubt I want this line to put the puck in retrievable areas, downlow, where they can battle and work to retain possesion. So often with this line when they are pressured they make a low % play just content to turn the puck over. The first line is not effective at simply putting the puck deep and peeling back. It isn't their strength. This is a line better with the puck than without. When in doubt make the play that retains the puck. This is not the focus of this line nearly enough. Obviously I'm not saying pass up scoring chances but I'm saying pass up that chronic tendency this line has to force plays that are not there. Its rarely a bad move to make a safer play and retain puck.

In short I want this line to redefine their game and add to it. Which they are supposed to be doing. NHL adjustments occur, and no doubt there has been scouting adjustments of our top players. Theres no such thing as a sophomore jinx, its learning how to respont to the tactics teams employ against you. Which this topline should be capable of doing.

I'll ask one question here anybody can consider. How many times did the topline make the LA Kings look like the relatively slow team they are? On our own ice? We're not even playing to our speed/skill strenths in a game like this. Not letting the puck move quickly, not finding open ice, not tiring out the opponent chasing us. For some reason we attempted to beat LA at their own game.
 

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