Post-Game Talk: Oilers lose 3-1 : I ain't even mad

[Wheatking]

2 of those 3 players were part of the lottery team last year.

If Markov is really the difference between being lottery and leading the eastern conference i've vastly underrated him and how bad this team needs a #1 d man.

Subban and Price are still growing as players...and the point is that those three players could step onto this team and be three of our top 4 players(based on this year). It's much easier to turn things around when you have that type of high end skill to stabilize the back end.

 

[Njoy Oilers]

I dunno... he was turning the puck over all friggin night. Probably in double digit territory.

And he made more happen in triple digits. The only one hitting with any consistency. Nuge was the glaring give away king tonight, although he was pretty good defensively. They are turning into the 12th place team I expected. They need SIZE.

 

[guymez]

In what universe does it take a team 5 years to get a team into the playoffs? And then what... another 2-3 to become contenders? Only an 8 year rebuild... that is longer than the majority of NHL players careers lol.

That just screams incompetence. Mind blowing incompetence.

Of course...the reliable and always effective 8 year rebuild.

It all makes sense now.

Incompetence indeed....but I suspect the excuses will continue to flow.

 

[OilCanada92]

So Eager yaps at Brown for the hit on RNH and then proceeds to do nothing about it ON THE ICE.

Would you put that line against Kopitar-brown and Clifford? Didn't think so.

 

[Moonlapse Vertigo]

2002–03 2002–03 Did not qualify
2003–04 2003–04 Did not qualify
2004–05 2004–05 Season cancelled due to 2004–05 NHL lockout
2005–06 2005–06 Did not qualify
2006–07 2006–07 Did not qualify
2007–08 2007–08 Did not qualify
2008–09 2008–09 Did not qualify
2009–10 2009–10 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 2–4 (Canucks)
2010–11 2010–11 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 2–4 (Sharks)

What team is that?

The big difference is none of those "tanking" teams (LA, Chicago, Pittsburgh) ever bragged about doing it nor they did claim that they had some kind of "plan." GM Craig Patrick was also relieved of his duties following Crosby's rookie season.

 

[Samus44]

Refs are part of the game...stuff happens. Always has and always will.

Good teams do not put themselves in a position like that.

Its nothing but an excuse IMO.

Do you honestly not realize how easily that could have happened to LA instead.

 

[MadMax82*]

Of course...the reliable and always effective 8 year rebuild.

It all makes sense now.

Incompetence indeed....but I suspect the excuses will continue to flow.

Interesting...

WHy dont you answer my question about the team stats i posted on the last page....

 

[Pablo Aimar]

It's like people don't realize every single guy in the top 6 other than Hemsky is still developing. The Oilers aren't built to win now even with the accelerated development of 1st overall picks. They have a very bright future. Sam Gagner is 2nd oldest at 23, that's an age when most players are still on their ELC.

I believe the Hawks won the cup when Kane and Toews were in their third year. The Oilers are not going to win the cup with Hall and Eberle in their third year - thats obvious - but it would be nice if they could at least COMPETE for a playoff spot.

 

[Beerfish]

So is everyone on the team not named Hemsky or Gagner Todd Marchant?

No because every one else is not getting about 2 to 3 glorious scoring chances a game and not scoring on them. This board loves to talk about accountability and is more than willing to rag on certain players but favourites get a pass.

Hall is on pace for a 12 goal year if this was a full season. Not good enough, just like a lot of other players on the team but if we all want to be about accountability then he has to be included instead of patted on the rump.

 

[Wheatking]

In what universe does it take a team 5 years to get a team into the playoffs? And then what... another 2-3 to become contenders? Only an 8 year rebuild... that is longer than the majority of NHL players careers lol.

That just screams incompetence. Mind blowing incompetence.

No kidding. The Flyers needed a summer to go from by far the worst team in the league in 2006-07 to making it to the semi finals in 2007-08.

 

[Moonlapse Vertigo]

Would you put that line against Kopitar-brown and Clifford? Didn't think so.

Then get him out on a line with RNH for a shift. Outside of that so-called top line Krueger doesn't seem to have any problems with mixing things up on the fly.

 

[Spawn]

2002–03 2002–03 Did not qualify
2003–04 2003–04 Did not qualify
2004–05 2004–05 Season cancelled due to 2004–05 NHL lockout
2005–06 2005–06 Did not qualify
2006–07 2006–07 Did not qualify
2007–08 2007–08 Did not qualify
2008–09 2008–09 Did not qualify
2009–10 2009–10 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 2–4 (Canucks)
2010–11 2010–11 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 2–4 (Sharks)

What team is that?

That isn't a rebuild. That is being an awful hockey team until the GM began making smart acquisitions through trade and FA.\

And if you reeealllly want to push this angle (my god is it thin) then we can just look at the Oilers in comparison.

06-07 Did not qualify
07-08 Did not qualify
08-09 Did not qualify
09-10 Did not qualify
10-11 Did not qualify
11-12 Did not qualify

This is now year seven of our rebuild apparently. The Kings in theirs finished with more than 100 points. We still are falling way behind even in your extraordinarily slanted take on things.

 

[guymez]

Do you honestly not realize how easily that could have happened to LA instead.

I honestly believe that the Oilers over the past 5 years have found a way to lose the vast majority of close games. This was just a another example of something that never seems to change.

There have been a multitude of excuses for this bad hockey team.
Many of the posts in this thread simply underscores that reality.

 

[MadMax82*]

The big difference is none of those "tanking" teams (LA, Chicago, Pittsburgh) ever bragged about doing it nor they did claim that they had some kind of "plan." GM Craig Patrick was also relieved of his duties following Crosby's rookie season.

Well pens tanked for Mario so there out of any equation.

The stats i Posted were for LA......

Chicago was no better...

1997–98 1997–98 Did not qualify
1998–99 1998–99 Did not qualify
1999–2000 1999–2000 Did not qualify
2000–01 2000–01 Did not qualify
2001–02 2001–02 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 1–4 (Blues)
2002–03 2002–03 Did not qualify
2003–04 2003–04 Did not qualify
2004–05 2004–05 Season cancelled due to 2004–05 NHL Lockout
2005–06 2005–06 Did not qualify
2006–07 2006–07 Did not qualify
2007–08 2007–08 Did not qualify

 

[MadMax82*]

That isn't a rebuild. That is being an awful hockey team until the GM began making smart acquisitions through trade and FA.

Which top tier players did LA gain through the draft versus FA?

 

[flashy]

I believe the Hawks won the cup when Kane and Toews were in their third year. The Oilers are not going to win the cup with Hall and Eberle in their third year - thats obvious - but it would be nice if they could at least COMPETE for a playoff spot.

I never thought about that. This team does really suck. When we get a number 1 d-man our fortune will change i bet.

 

[MessierII]

The big difference is none of those "tanking" teams (LA, Chicago, Pittsburgh) ever bragged about doing it nor they did claim that they had some kind of "plan." GM Craig Patrick was also relieved of his duties following Crosby's rookie season.

Yes they did. I remember Lombardi about 4 years ago doing an interview right here in Edmonton about his philosophy on the rebuilding of a franchise. He had a whole shpeal and about the phases of it and what not.

 

[Moonlapse Vertigo]

No kidding. The Flyers needed a summer to go from by far the worst team in the league in 2006-07 to making it to the semi finals in 2007-08.

Yeah. Holmgren made a lot of gutsy moves immediately after becoming GM. Some of them have paid off and some of them haven't (Bryz) but he's not afraid to pull the trigger and shake things up. Tambellini's going to have to take a risk with either Gagner or Hemsky at this point.

 

[MadMax82*]

I never thought about that. This team does really suck. When we get a number 1 d-man our fortune will change i bet.

Actually YOu would have to compare it to when the got Keith and Seabrook.......

 

[MadMax82*]

Yeah. Holmgren made a lot of gutsy moves immediately after becoming GM. Some of them have paid off and some of them haven't (Bryz) but he's not afraid to pull the trigger and shake things up. Tambellini's going to have to take a risk with either Gagner or Hemsky at this point.

Easier said to do when your a destination place...

 

[guymez]

Interesting...

WHy dont you answer my question about the team stats i posted on the last page....

Spawn (in his answer) echoed my sense of what the reality of this team is.

I also explained what I think needs to happen to fix the issue...I am still waiting your response to that.

 

[flashy]

Well pens tanked for Mario so there out of any equation.

The stats i Posted were for LA......

Chicago was no better...

1997–98 1997–98 Did not qualify
1998–99 1998–99 Did not qualify
1999–2000 1999–2000 Did not qualify
2000–01 2000–01 Did not qualify
2001–02 2001–02 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 1–4 (Blues)
2002–03 2002–03 Did not qualify
2003–04 2003–04 Did not qualify
2004–05 2004–05 Season cancelled due to 2004–05 NHL Lockout
2005–06 2005–06 Did not qualify
2006–07 2006–07 Did not qualify
2007–08 2007–08 Did not qualify

Soo.. how many years of no playoffs should we expect? we're at 6 coming up on 7 straight seasons of no playoffs.

 

[McOilbleeder]

Management needs to add balance to this team. We need more grit in the top-6. Guys who can go into dirty areas and dig pucks out. Guys who can make their living around the crease.

We need another quality puck mover. Our transition game is poor, and if we want to support our young forwards, we need to be able to transition between zones better.

I don't think the above is impossible to upgrade nor would it cost any of the big 5 to upgrade. We need better balance on this team if we want any hope to make the playoffs consistently.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yeah. Holmgren made a lot of gutsy moves immediately after becoming GM. Some of them have paid off and some of them haven't (Bryz) but he's not afraid to pull the trigger and shake things up. Tambellini's going to have to take a risk with either Gagner or Hemsky at this point.

Just like Holmgren did with Richards and Carter? Oops.

 

[guymez]

Easier said to do when your a destination place...

Ah yes...the destination excuse. Trust me...winning would eliminate that excuse all together.