Post-Game Talk: Oilers lose 3-1 : I ain't even mad

Apr 12, 2010
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Your aware both of those guys had off ice issues that led to them getting traded. Teams don't sign two of their marquee forwards to long term deals and trade them a couple of seasons in.

It's not like he was taking a random risk and did it for ***** and giggles.

They still have yet to pay off for the Flyers. They made the Cup Final with both of those guys in the lineup. And it's probably no surprise that LA won the Cup with them.

Just imagine if the Flyers miss the playoffs this year and the Kings don't.
 

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For success in today's NHL you need to have a good PK, good PP and good skills comp.

Skill is not rewarded. They need bigger ice(?), and either bigger nets or smaller goalie pads or both.

There's no room to maneuver and the goalies cover 95% of the net.

Replacement can talk about the skilled Habs teams of the 70s but the Oilers are not built to win in today's league.

Not even with the New Asian System of Destiny.

Wrong, the NewAge Hockey System had the game pegged perfectly, and the play we lost on was targeted at least 3 times on the GDT as being where they were catalysing their o-zone offense from, the NHS called the coordinates in long before this one submarined itself, they were consistant in that plays execution right to the end and they caught us napping.

Tonight they started out trying to use an upspeed man coming in late through the neutral zone and we stopped that then they went to flooding the zone laterally and we stopped that then they began working the shots from the outside periphery of the faceoffcircles looking for second shots off of rebounds and they did this consistantly until it worked.They were keeping the puck right within2 feet of the blueline in the o-zone and catalysing from there also , this was identified early by the NHS and posted, they did this on the PP first then went to it 5 on 5.

Everything went pretty much as the NHS predictions said they would, it was two adjusted hybrids, the results will usually be the same every time, tonight both teams played a tight defense, I thought it would turn out the opposite way where we would be defensive and they would push the offense but it turned out both teams kept it tight defensively and the result was a predictible one based on the system checkmate the adjusted hybrid is vulnerable to, one which we saw a perfect example of tonight.

We should have been more aggressive tonight and pushed harder on the offense and took more risks. This would have forced them to react accordingly and the score would have still been close but more like 6-5 and this is always to our advantage , when both systems play defensive it is like an offensive trap style and the score stays just as close just lower numbers. This system checkmate cannot be broken between two adjusted hybrids, every game will result in the same dynamic results and each one will be decided by individual type goals genereated from outside the systems offense, odd plays by individuals. The systems both cancel each others transitional ability in the o-zone and both react the same ways dynamicly, they are mirrors of each other.

And if you dont play an adjusted hybrid like LA and the Oilers do now and you use a simple hybrid then you will be at a real disadvantage tacticly in the NHL, these hybrid systems are the best available being used today, the NHS is much like them both in that they are its predecessors but is also superior to both, it is an evolution that negates the dependance on the o-zone transitions and set defensive structures these systems rely on. it allows you to stop the o-zone transitions as we saw happen two ways tonight but it doesnt depend on that transition so is impossible for the hybrid systems to stop.
 

Beerfish

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Actually Spawn didn't really.

But its ok.

Oilers tried for years to go fishing. It failed miserably.

Not many options really availible.

The year oilers decided to rebuild was the year they drafted Hall

And when you utterly fail in your years of going fishing and fail in adding pieces now you should get your ass booted to the curb.
 

MadMax82*

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So the only options in your mind would be whale hunting or trying to draft an entire roster?

Naw It means waiting till the Kids start taking the next step.

ANd this year playing against #1 lines is a huge step.
 

Moonlapse Vertigo

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Funny how the Oilers have not been able to replace the mediocrity that Stoll and Greene brought to the table.
I was just about to say that. The Stoll/Greene for Visnovsky (who became Whitney) remains a sore spot for me. Of course... Stoll may have wanted out... but whatever. Like bad trades (or general inactivity) that's par for the course for the Oilers.
 

Mcnofool6110

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Go for a dinner and the result doesn't seem so great. FFS, Oilers. FFS.

Or was it another case of the Hollywood Playoff Caper?
 

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And when you utterly fail in your years of going fishing and fail in adding pieces now you should get your ass booted to the curb.

How do you force someone to come where they dont want to?

Im a proud edmontonian but jesus. You give me the choice of LA or Edmonton making the same coin....
 

Beerfish

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Well if Greene and Stoll were so great why did Oilers fans want them gone...

Becasue oiler fans for the most part are totally stupid and follow along with what coaches and gms say like lemmings. MacT didn't like those guys and management did their usual fine sell job on lambasting players when they are about to leave.
 

Samus44

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Yeah, this whole 5 year thing is a load of crap. They are in year 6 or 7 already. Gagner was a 6th overall pick, MPS was a 10th overall pick.

You realize Pitt drafted top 5 for 5 years in a row, right? Chicago drafted in the lottery 4 years in a row, they also missed the playoffs alot before that. These teams took way longer to get to the Cup then people on here seem to think.
 
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I was just about to say that. The Stoll/Greene for Visnovsky (who became Whitney) remains a sore spot for me. Of course... Stoll may have wanted out... but whatever. Like bad trades (or general inactivity) that's par for the course for the Oilers.

Stoll was crap when he got traded. If it was Stoll pre-concussion then I would see reason to be upset. But after his concussion he just wasn't the same.
 

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Pacioretty, Bourque and Cole (although they were there last season as well) added Prust and Armstrong as well. Those guys balance out the skilled guys like Plekanec and Gionta nicely plus Galchenyuk is a real gem for them, very good in both ends of the ice plus Markov being back helps also. I really like the makeup of that team, nice balanced roster.
He does look good. But I think that only adds to the point you are trying to make.
Probably one of the reasons Galchenyuk can look so polished is that he doesn't have to carry the team.
He has some of that veteran support and he is being given the chance to find a comfort zone in this league.

Meanwhile the Oilers keep throwing their talent to the wolves because Tamby is too dumb to read a roster list and/or Katz is too cheap to bring in NHL players while he's busy tanking and running sim spread sheets on how much he's going to make when the new barn gets built.

The big difference is none of those "tanking" teams (LA, Chicago, Pittsburgh) ever bragged about doing it nor they did claim that they had some kind of "plan." GM Craig Patrick was also relieved of his duties following Crosby's rookie season.
No ****.
I will never watch one second of Oil Change .... disgraceful stuff.
 
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Spawn

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Actually Spawn didn't really.

But its ok.

Oilers tried for years to go fishing. It failed miserably.

Not many options really availible.

The year oilers decided to rebuild was the year they drafted Hall

So all those other teams get years of no playoffs to support your stance, but the Oilers don't?

Right. Makes sense.
 

Hans Moleman

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The more this team loses, the more intolerable this board becomes. Makes me long for the Conkannen years on here.
 

flashy

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And when you utterly fail in your years of going fishing and fail in adding pieces now you should get your ass booted to the curb.

When is management going to take some blame in not getting FA's here?

Every time its Edmonton's fault, its the weathers fault, its the players fault.

Maybe it's time to get a GM that can actually get players to come here.
 

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He does look good. But I think that only adds to the point you are trying to make.
Probably one of the reasons Galchenyuk can look so polished is that he doesn't have to carry the team.
He has some of that veteran support and he is being given the chance to find a comfort zone in this league.

Meanwhile the Oilers keep throwing their talent to the wolves because Tamby is too dumb to read a roster list and/or Katz is too cheap to bring in NHL players while he's busy tanking and running sim spread sheets on how much he's going to make when the new barn gets built.


Explain to me how you make Top end players sign here?
 

CupofOil

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Which means nothing if you don't even make the playoffs to begin with.

As i said before, they won the Cup with the same exact roster. They are barely out of a playoff spot now. All they have to do is make the show and i'm pretty sure they will bore their way into a playoff spot.
 

Moonlapse Vertigo

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Stoll was crap when he got traded. If it was Stoll pre-concussion then I would see reason to be upset. But after his concussion he just wasn't the same.
He's been routinely one of the top face-off men in hockey ever since 2005/2006. If Jarrett Stoll is here then we don't have to go out and get Eric Belanger. Hell, Jarrett owned Belanger all night tonight.
 

MadMax82*

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So all those other teams get years of no playoffs to support your stance, but the Oilers don't?

Right. Makes sense.

What are you talking about?

Oilers were in the SCF when La and Chicago didnt make playoffs...
 

Beerfish

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How do you force someone to come where they dont want to?

Im a proud edmontonian but jesus. You give me the choice of LA or Edmonton making the same coin....

This is sheer baloney. The team, management and fans are a big reason this was an undesireable place to play. Weather is not a huge factor at all. That is massively over blown but a convenient excuse.

But by all means give this front office the same pass for the 4 years or so of fail before the 'great rebuild' as you are giving them now.
 

McOilbleeder

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They still have yet to pay off for the Flyers. They made the Cup Final with both of those guys in the lineup. And it's probably no surprise that LA won the Cup with them.

Just imagine if the Flyers miss the playoffs this year and the Kings don't.

So how exactly should they have done anything different? Carter and Richards had significant off ice issues. There isn't a whole lot of options when something like that is effecting the team.
 

guymez

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Naw It means waiting till the Kids start taking the next step.

ANd this year playing against #1 lines is a huge step.

The point is...it will be a long wait because this GM hasn't got the where with all to identify how to support the (kids) core players.
This wait and hope that it will all work out approach is a pipe dream.

Teams require balance. Good GM's require an ability to identify the weaknesses and know when and how to support the core of the team.
 

Beerfish

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What are you talking about?

Oilers were in the SCF when La and Chicago didnt make playoffs...

Ah yes, our one fluke trip to the cup as an 8th place team that barely made it in and rode the top defenceman in the league and sheer and utter unconcious tending to the promised land where we contended for yea.....oh ....wait.
 

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You realize Pitt drafted top 5 for 5 years in a row, right? Chicago drafted in the lottery 4 years in a row, they also missed the playoffs alot before that. These teams took way longer to get to the Cup then people on here seem to think.

Who is asking them to get to the cup? I would like for them to not suck. This is the 7th year of the rebuild - 7th year since making the playoffs. 5 lottery picks and Eberle. It would be nice if there was some progress. I don`t see much and I don`t see any evidence that management is capable of turning all this rebuilding into an actual winning team.
 

MadMax82*

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This is sheer baloney. The team, management and fans are a big reason this was an undesireable place to play. Weather is not a huge factor at all. That is massively over blown but a convenient excuse.

But by all means give this front office the same pass for the 4 years or so of fail before the 'great rebuild' as you are giving them now.

I dunno talking to the guys in BC in the offseason weather is a big deal.

And yes rabid fans are an issue.

But I digress, I was reading this board for along time now. And I knew Oilers fans didn't have the patience to see this through.

Im sure Tambo could swing some great deals right now. But of course the Kids would all have to be apart of those deals.

You can hope that you find some studs in late rounds but eventually youll end up back at square one.
 

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