Post-Game Talk: Oilers lose 3-1 : I ain't even mad

[The Perfect Human*]

That "fancier Todd Marchant" (god what a base way to look at a player) is tied for the team in points, and in the top 20 in league points.

A lot of that is product of opportunity (#1 PP unit, #1 line, #1 in minutes among our forwards, quality linemates anytime on ice).

 

[MadMax82*]

Money my good man, money. NHL players love money.

Mr Katz told us there would be no expense spared to bring the city a winner.

So far he's brought us a chronically injured, over worked Khabibulin and a revolving door of seriously suspect "on the cheap" players. The only good player they got, they ended up paying to leave town because he questioned some of the team's "suggestions" regarding rehab of a shoulder injury. And really - given what we saw with Hall and may now be seeing with RNH and their shoulder injuries - who can any longer doubt that there were elements of truth to all of Souray's comments.

Like 9 Million to Hossa?

 

[Pablo Aimar]

Except the offseason they drafted Gagner, EIG was flailing about in the media trying to convince everyone that they weren't cheap like Katz insinuated, and tried to give up all their draft picks in offsheets and sign half the UFAs on the market in a goofy attempt to retool quickly and win at all costs.

The summer Paajarvi was drafted, they clearly believed in the team's ability to compete and hired a crusty senior citizen to try and unlock that potential of the declining and apathetic veteran core. They also spent their time chasing Heatley with poorly thought out ideas that they were one winger from competing for a cup.

Neither years were they rebuilding by any stretch of the imagination, and the idea of rebuilding never even entered the picture until mid-way through the 09/10 season when the talent and the roster bottomed out.

All of this means nothing. Rebuilding = getting high draft picks. Lottery picks. They have been getting those since the Cup run. The fact that they weren`t trying to suck- that they were actually trying to win- is merely indicative of the lack of competence of the clowns running the team. I am sure they will do a better job the next time they actually try and put a winning team on the ice, whenever that happens.

 

[Beerfish]

Real Good,

Got nice high end talent. Just need to let them develop. This offseason will be the big one for the oilers. and I expect one of the Kids gone. Possibly two

The thought that just drafting 1st overall and all you have to do is let kids developed is so flawed. Also, you could have saved that last line from the last few years, "next year will be a big offseason". We've been hearing that for many a year. Maybe we can sign another kurtis foster to shore up the blue line.

 

[guymez]

Real Good,

Got nice high end talent. Just need to let them develop. This offseason will be the big one for the oilers. and I expect one of the Kids gone. Possibly two

So the plan was to be the worst hockey team in recent history.
That was by design you say?

Interesting.

 

[Spawn]

Sooner people realize that the oilers Because an Expansion team when Ryan Smyth was dealt the better.

Whatever, not going to waste my time arguing with you anymore. Keep on believing in that rebuild.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I'm saying that the Chicago Blackhawks and LA Kings rebuilds did not start from the beginning of being out of the playoffs. They were just bad hockey teams. You can't use 5 or 6 years of other teams being out of the playoffs and then winning a cup a couple years later as an argument that that is how long a rebuild takes.

Toews and Kane won a cup on their entry level deals.
Crosby and Doughty won theirs a year after their entry level deals ended.

Hall and Eberle are in the last year of their entry level deals and this hockey team is still garbage.

The sooner that people realize that this rebuild is rotten to the core, the sooner it can be put back on track. This GM needs to be tossed out with the garbage ASAP or this team is doomed.

The drafting of the core is pretty well over (we may get 1 last top 5 pick this year). Now we are at a point where we need to start getting different player types to compliment our core. This means that at least one of Gagner or Hemsky likely gets moved because they have trade value and might return us better fits for our club.

 

[MadMax82*]

Like I said.

I Expect one or Two of the Kids to be gone. Its tough to make trades for assets when you have none.

Now we Have 5 of them.

 

[sepHF]

I was just about to say that. The Stoll/Greene for Visnovsky (who became Whitney) remains a sore spot for me. Of course... Stoll may have wanted out... but whatever. Like bad trades (or general inactivity) that's par for the course for the Oilers.

Meh Greene and Stoll for Visnovsky was a good trade. Greene was a glorified pylon and Stoll wasn't right after his concussion.

Visnovsky is a sublime defenseman who just lead all defenseman is scoring two years ago. It's a shame that he wanted out of Edmonton, the trade for Whitney looked promising, and he played great in his first little bit with the Oilers before his foot issues and surgeries.

Didn't end up great but I think Stoll and Greene for Vis was a good trade.

 

[The Perfect Human*]

So is everyone on the team not named Hemsky or Gagner Todd Marchant?

No. RNH and Eberle have shot placement ability. Yakupov has 5 goals already.

Everyone in our bottom-6 and Taylor Hall have Marchant-esque finishing ability

 

[Beerfish]

Like 9 Million to Hossa?

Or a 7 year 7 mill a year deal to horcoff?

Too bad the oilers couldn;t be saved from themselves on that one.

Only by the grace of god have their bone head moves not worked out.

(Heatley, Nylander, even Vanek who is having a great year this year.)

 

[MadMax82*]

Whatever, not going to waste my time arguing with you anymore. Keep on believing in that rebuild.

Wouldn't call it wasting time. But since you are of the opinion that things are flawed why not bring forth a solution

 

[OilerTyler]

What i mean is teams do not have the time to really work things out. This year was a bad year to bring in a new coach with a new system

I could see us having a bad start to the season because of this, but I'm not sure it's a valid excuse one month into the season.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Or a 7 year 7 mill a year deal to horcoff?

Too bad the oilers couldn;t be saved from themselves on that one.

Only by the grace of god have their bone head moves not worked out.

(Heatley, Nylander, even Vanek who is having a great year this year.)

Re-signing =! Signing

Please learn the difference.

 

[guymez]

Tambi also likes clutching those beautiful draft picks and prospects like they're lottery tickets (heh, lottery... apropos) hoping that one of them is skilled and talented enough to make him look like a genius.

Terry Jones reported last season that the Oilers have the worst W/L record in the National Hockey League since the 2004/2005 lockout.

Drink that in for a second. THE WORST. And they put together some good regular seasons in 05/06 (obviously) and 07/08.

Tambo clearly likes being on TV wearing that s**t eating grin at the draft lottery. Building a really bad hockey team is all by design dont you know.

 

[Moonlapse Vertigo]

Real good? The last three years rival the worst three years of any franchise ever.

This is the most incompetently run organization the league has seen in 20+ years.

Steve Tambellini and the Oilers organization have pulled the hat over everyones eyes. This isn't a rebuild. This is just a bunch of morons who couldn't build a competent hockey team to save their lives.

Terry Jones reported last season that the Oilers have the worst W/L record in the National Hockey League since the 2004/2005 lockout.

Drink that in for a second. THE WORST. And they put together some good regular seasons in 05/06 (obviously) and 07/08.

 

[Spawn]

The last 20 years? Really? wow thats a stretch but ok. Let me know how many teams have made the SCF in those 20 years and how many havent?

Yes, the last 3 seasons of the Oilers are the worst three collective seasons of any franchise in the past 20 years. How can you argue that?

 

[Beerfish]

Meh Greene and Stoll for Visnovsky was a good trade. Greene was a glorified pylon and Stoll wasn't right after his concussion.

Visnovsky is a sublime defenseman who just lead all defenseman is scoring two years ago. It's a shame that he wanted out of Edmonton, the trade for Whitney looked promising, and he played great in his first little bit with the Oilers before his foot issues and surgeries.

Didn't end up great but I think Stoll and Greene for Vis was a good trade.

'Didn't work out' that is the whole point of being a gm. Good gms' make things work out. Bad gm's have excuses for they they didn't.

 

[MadMax82*]

Yes, the last 3 seasons of the Oilers are the worst three collective seasons of any franchise in the past 20 years. How can you argue that?

Well Columbus finished 30th last year so that was easy: Or Atlanta? Hell even Chicago.

 

[harpoon]

Does the name Marian Hossa ring a bell?

Sure some players leave money on the table.
I expect the GM to investigate and use the resources at his disposal to bring in the guys (the vast majority of the league imo) who can be bought.
Jagr could have been bought. How much could a guy like that teach some of our lotto picks?

Like 9 Million to Hossa?

Yes. By all means. Let's completely abandon one of the main avenues to improve the team because Hossa passed on an offer.
Been there done that ..... never works.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

'Didn't work out' that is the whole point of being a gm. Good gms' make things work out. Bad gm's have excuses for they they didn't.

Of course, many people forget that Lowe made the trade for visnovsky. Not Tambellini.

 

[flashy]

Like 9 Million to Hossa?

Vanek was perfectly willing to come here.
Pronger was perfectly willing to come here.
Souray was perfectly willing to come here.

You can't have them all it happens.

Their end stories aside the fact is that the right amount of money or team success can bring FA's here.

Bringing up one FA rejection doesn't prove anything.

 

[T-Funk]

No. RNH and Eberle have shot placement ability. Yakupov has 5 goals already.

Everyone in our bottom-6 and Taylor Hall have Marchant-esque finishing ability

Funny, considering Marchant maxed out at 20 goals; a number Hall surpassed in his first year in the NHL.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Sure some players leave money on the table.
I expect the GM to investigate and use the resources at his disposal to bring in the guys (the vast majority of the league imo) who can be bought.
Jagr could have been bought. How much could a guy like that teach some of our lotto picks?

We tried to sign him too. He chose Russia over us. Don't people remember these things?

 

[MadMax82*]

Vanek was perfectly willing to come here.
Pronger was perfectly willing to come here.
Souray was perfectly willing to come here.

You can't have them all it happens.

Their end stories aside the fact is that the right amount of money or team success can bring FA's here.

Bringing up one FA rejection doesn't prove anything.

HOssa
Heatley
Nylander