McKenzie: Oilers in on Barrie? (Part II)

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Can you show me your proof that Roy doesn't like Barrie? Oh, you can't? You read some people on here erroneously make that claim and decided to make the claim yourself instead of realizing how silky it is? Sounds about right.

Barrie played 23 minutes a game under Roy. When EJ went down with an injury last year, Roy relied heavily on Barrie to pick up the extra minutes. That definitely sounds like Roy hates him, huh?

PS. It's Avs not Aves. Theres no E after the V. It's not spelled Avelanche. Ave is short for avenue. You are calling them the avenues.

Aves is also a form of the Latin word for birds. It's why we have words like aviary, and avian.

Using that definition, the Penguins could technically be referred to as the Aves.

 

[Mr Positive]

I don't see Chia being desperate for this move now. A PP QB would be nice, but you can still have a good PP without one. Krueger did it and Nelson did it with the Oilers and neither had McDavid to work with. We have enough talented forwards that, if coached properly, can move the puck efficiently to let guys like Klefbom and Sekera, and maybe even Larsson be passable on the PP. I think Chia waits until next summer to find the next D piece, it's just too much of a pain now with the expansion draft to add another D we need to protect.

Chiarelli already said he's okay with going into the season with what he has, so I think you are right.

With the Barrie situation, this all relies on what Colorado wants to do. If something about the Barrie situation turns sour, I'm sure we'll have an offer for him along with lots of other teams. That's the other thing. This thread is all about Oilers after Barrie but just by odds I doubt that he would end up here even if he were for sale, and I don't even think he will be.

 

[The Kingslayer]

If Frei's speculation is the best you've got to support your argument, then maybe your argument is bull****. *shrug*

Its not even a maybe its complete and utter ******** speculation with ZERO evidence. I have watched every single Roy presser/interview/post skate/pre game/post game clip and not one time has he said anything bad about Barrie. If there is an actual quote/clip of Roy saying anything bad about Barrie I would love to see it.

 

[EscapedGoat]

I think that view of Roy's opinion on Barrie is supported by Colorado writer Terry Frei. He is often cited for saying that he thinks Roy sees Barrie as a 5th at best and PP specialist.

He phrased it a bit differently on his own site: http://www.terryfrei.com/oncoloradosports.html (it's a bit long so Ctrl F for Barrie)

He's back pedaled quite a bit imo, and now it seems more like it is really just his opinion about how Barrie should be used. He also doesn't seem to like Johnson.

This isn't really directed at you. You quoted the Frei article where most people formed their opinion that Roy hates Barrie. I just wanted to quote that and reply to the article. Just wanted to make sure you know this isn't necessarily directed at you.

The article from frei says "The fact is, he's a good hybrid defenseman, but he would be most valuable as a No. 5 D-man and power-play specialist. The Avs have been forced to ask him to be more than that."

How are people taking that and then saying "Roy thinks Barrie is a number 5 so he isn't getting a long term contract? This is obviously tge opinion of a writer who knows nothing about the team he's supposed to cover. Not only is it the opinion of a guy who knows less about the Avs than most posters here, at no point did he say he even thinks Roy sees barrie as a 5. All he did was claim himself that Barrie is a 5.

It just blows my mind how little rational thought goes on on these boards sometimes. How anyone can read that and think he was saying Roy sees Barrie as a 5 blows my mind.

 

[dahrougem2]

What I find hilarious is how Terry Frei, someone who hardly covers the Avs and on his own believes the Avs see Barrie as a #5 (even though the Avs clearly think otherwise) is supposedly the "source" Edmonton media heads like Stauffer and Rishaug have been using to push the "Roy isn't a fan of Barrie" nonsense.

Funny how the only trade noise is coming from Edmonton's side. The media is REALLY trying to push this Barrie-to-Edmonton thing and the Avs are focused on getting him resigned.

Sakic isn't a dummy. There's no way in hell he's going to accept a package of Nurse + Pouliot/Yakupov or whatever. I also don't believe he wants any part of Jordan Eberle, nor RNH (though I'm pretty high on RNH). I believe wholeheartedly that, if a trade was to be made, he'd hold out for Draisaitl or just take his chances re-signing Barrie. The Avs don't need to trade Barrie, so some sort of quantity package isn't going to get it done.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

What I find hilarious is how Terry Frei, someone who hardly covers the Avs and on his own believes the Avs see Barrie as a #5 (even though the Avs clearly think otherwise) is supposedly the "source" Edmonton media heads like Stauffer and Rishaug have been using to push the "Roy isn't a fan of Barrie" nonsense.

Funny how the only trade noise is coming from Edmonton's side. The media is REALLY trying to push this Barrie-to-Edmonton thing and the Avs are focused on getting him resigned.

Sakic isn't a dummy. There's no way in hell he's going to accept a package of Nurse + Pouliot/Yakupov or whatever. I also don't believe he wants any part of Jordan Eberle, nor RNH (though I'm pretty high on RNH). I believe wholeheartedly that, if a trade was to be made, he'd hold out for Draisaitl or just take his chances re-signing Barrie. The Avs don't need to trade Barrie, so some sort of quantity package isn't going to get it done.

What are the odds that Barrie and his agent bury the hatchet with Sakic? IMO that'd be the best thing for the Avs.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

What are the odds that Barrie and his agent bury the hatchet with Sakic? IMO that'd be the best thing for the Avs.

They don't need to bury anything. Barrie isn't even going to be the last RFA signed this off season, might be signed earlier than Grigorenko.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

They don't need to bury anything. Barrie isn't even going to be the last RFA signed this off season, might be signed earlier than Grigorenko.

I'm thinking beyond the 3 years that he has RFA status.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

What about a deal around Klefbom and Barrie

 

[snipes]

What about a deal around Klefbom and Barrie

Nope. Not happening. Defeats the entire purpose of acquiring Barrie.

It seems the Barrie boat has sailed. COL will lock him up to term, as they should.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

Nope. Not happening. Defeats the entire purpose of acquiring Barrie.

It seems the Barrie boat has sailed. COL will lock him up to term, as they should.

The Entire Purpose of getting Barrie is to get an offensive Defenseman. It would be rather nice having:

Sekera-Larsson
Nurse-Barrie

 

[snipes]

The Entire Purpose of getting Barrie is to get an offensive Defenseman. It would be rather nice having:

Sekera-Larsson
Nurse-Barrie

Nurse isn't ready.

Nurse is still a pup who needs some seasoning. Besides, Chia loves Nurse. He's exactly the kind of player he wants to represent the Oilers. Nurse will be a beastly 2nd pairing D who plays heavy PK minutes and a shutdown role eventually.

Klefbom has a long term future in EDM. He's an excellent player, his underlying analytics support the eye test. Klefbom is a stud.

Klef is completely off the table. After McDavid, Klefbom is likely the most untouchable player on the Oilers. Research and study Klefbom's game, the more you learn about him, the more impressed you will be.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

Nurse isn't ready.

Nurse is still a pup who needs some seasoning. Besides, Chia loves Nurse. He's exactly the kind of player he wants to represent the Oilers. Nurse will be a beastly 2nd pairing D who plays heavy PK minutes and a shutdown role eventually.

Klefbom has a long term future in EDM. He's an excellent player, his underlying analytics support the eye test. Klefbom is a stud.

Klef is completely off the table. After McDavid, Klefbom is likely the most untouchable player on the Oilers. Research and study Klefbom's game, the more you learn about him, the more impressed you will be.

Okay, I see. I didn't know you thought so highly of him. Barrie would be quite nice though.

 

[snipes]

Okay, I see. I didn't know you thought so highly of him. Barrie would be quite nice though.

Agreed. Pretty much all Oiler fans love Barrie, we'd be ecstatic to see him wearing our sweater. But, we won't give up Klefbom to do so.

Research Klefbom, tell me what you think of him.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

What about a deal around Klefbom and Barrie

I see Klefbom as a good bet to be a solid top pairing guy signed at a little over $4 million. I do not make that trade even though I know that Barrie would be great with our team. No one on our team could replace what Klefbom brings.

 

[thadd]

Okay, I see. I didn't know you thought so highly of him. Barrie would be quite nice though.

2 years from now Nurse and Barrie could be a really complete 2nd pairing... but I've given up on us winning the Barrie sweepstakes.

 

[tony d]

Barrie is what Edmonton needs, do they have the pieces needed to acquire him though, pieces that the Avs would want.

 

[Measles]

Barrie is what Edmonton needs, do they have the pieces needed to acquire him though, pieces that the Avs would want.

They definitely have the pieces to acquire him. Oilers could move Draisaitl or some package involving Klefbom perhaps, but Chiarelli is not desperate enough to move those pieces yet. It's pretty clear from Chia pressers that he sees McDavid and Draisaitl as our 1-2 punch down the middle long term. And trading Klefbom for Barrie doesn't improve our team overall imo. Even if you think Barrie brings more to the team than Klefbom, Klefbom is signed to an amazing long term contract which is a huge factor in making him (near)untouchable. I think Klefbom only gets moved for a true top pairing PMD, a status I don't think Barrie has quite reached yet.

 

[AslanRH]

What are the odds that Barrie and his agent bury the hatchet with Sakic? IMO that'd be the best thing for the Avs.

What hatchet?

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I'm thinking beyond the 3 years that he has RFA status.

The chances are better now (i would say greater than 50/50) since the Avs now know with certainty what their franchise players are being paid at. They can offer Barrie a long term deal and try to leverage for a discount for length or they can just take a fair 2 year RFA bridge and can still pay open market value 2 years from now.

 

[belair]

What hatchet?

The giant divide that separates what they feel Barrie's services are worth and what the team thinks they're worth. That and I think somebody said something about somebody's mom.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

What hatchet?

Well he has opted for arbitration and his agent is the same one that ROR had and we all know how much fun those negotiations were. Maybe I'm reading too much into things? IIRC media types have also said that he maybe dealt which could just be speculation or it could have some weight behind it.

The chances are better now (i would say greater than 50/50) since the Avs now know with certainty what their franchise players are being paid at. They can offer Barrie a long term deal and try to leverage for a discount for length or they can just take a fair 2 year RFA bridge and can still pay open market value 2 years from now.

If I were Colorado I'd offer him 6X7 or something along those lines. I wouldn't waste time tinkering around on a 2 year deal. What would you try and do?

 

[GirardSpinorama]

If I were Colorado I'd offer him 6X7 or something along those lines. I wouldn't waste time tinkering around on a 2 year deal. What would you try and do?

I would personally give him a two year bridge (5 mill AAV for 2 years). 6 mill for 7 years is his open market (UFA) level deal. I would leverage for a lesser AAV if its long term. Not too late to offer him the 6x7 (or whatever is the equivalent at that cap level) in 2 years because Duchene is not up for UFA until 2019.

I want the flexibility to go for UFA signing next year to support the team. Next year, the Avs will have all the core free agents signed (5 mill for Barrie, 1.5 for Grigorenko), and have ~19 mill in cap space. The extra million is a big difference in a hard cap world.

 

[Mr Positive]

This isn't really directed at you. You quoted the Frei article where most people formed their opinion that Roy hates Barrie. I just wanted to quote that and reply to the article. Just wanted to make sure you know this isn't necessarily directed at you.

The article from frei says "The fact is, he's a good hybrid defenseman, but he would be most valuable as a No. 5 D-man and power-play specialist. The Avs have been forced to ask him to be more than that."

How are people taking that and then saying "Roy thinks Barrie is a number 5 so he isn't getting a long term contract? This is obviously tge opinion of a writer who knows nothing about the team he's supposed to cover. Not only is it the opinion of a guy who knows less about the Avs than most posters here, at no point did he say he even thinks Roy sees barrie as a 5. All he did was claim himself that Barrie is a 5.

It just blows my mind how little rational thought goes on on these boards sometimes. How anyone can read that and think he was saying Roy sees Barrie as a 5 blows my mind.

well you are right that it isn't my opinion. I just heard from indirect sources that Roy thinks he's #5 and so of course I just went googling at what the initial source is, and this Frei guy seems to be at the start of it. What happened imo is that Frei spoke too strongly, based on no real info, but people from outside took it as fact, like he was quoting Roy

 

[Narnia]

Makes sense that they would want to move RNH's salary out instead of Draisaitl. That pays most of Barrie's salary for the short term at least.
I don't really blame Colorado for holding out for Draisaitl either so it probably ends in a stalemate.

Except the Oilers don't want to move RNH. One injury to Drai or |McDavid and Letstu is the centre on the top 2 lines. The guy who quoted that is full of hot air.