McKenzie: Oilers in on Barrie? (Part II)

[OilTastic]

Makes sense that they would want to move RNH's salary out instead of Draisaitl. That pays most of Barrie's salary for the short term at least.
I don't really blame Colorado for holding out for Draisaitl either so it probably ends in a stalemate.

or the Oilers give in and trade Leon for Barrie and keep Nuge? it seems a lot of Oiler fans don't want to trade Nuge away? but salary wise, the Avs would be getting a hell of a bargain.

 

[northendninja]

I still don't get all the Duchene/Trouba talk. Why does Winnipeg need Duchene when they have Scheifele and Little?

I think that if Trouba had the same attitude as Schief, there would never have been all these rumors. But all these contract issues and anecdotal stories have the fan base (and local media) open to trading him... I dont think there is a team in the NHL that would say no to another (young) top tier center.

 

[Avenger*]

TBH, I'd rather have Barrie over Larsson for Hall; Oilers desperately needed that puck moving defensemen.

IMO, it would've made sense to send RNH to Jersey for Larsson and Hall to the Avs for Barrie. That way they'd have a young and proven top pairing of Barrie/Larsson and a young dynamic forward group with steady goaltending. Alas, the Oils will need to hope that the Avs take one of their offers that does not affect their core.

Obviously you haven't educated yourself with the circumstances of the deal. Shero has made it public knowledge that the only offer he would have accepted from the players Edmonton was willing to move was Hall.

Also, from what I gather, Larsson has a decent first past and was deployed almost exclusively on defensive zone starts with no power play time. I'm not going to claim that he's an offensive d-man but it's quite possible the potential is there for him to chip in some since prior to the NHL he put up points. You also have to consider his contract.

Either way, the Oilers still need a dedicated puck mover that can QB the PP.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Getting a high first + Pouliot is bad for Fowler? Would another team offer a first for him? I guess I am bit higher on Pouliot than you.. I think he is on a decent contract $4 Million AAV for three more years. Not bad for a 2nd line winger.

Bottom line is that Chiarelli sin't going to include a high first for Fowler, And Pouliot isn't an upgrade for the Ducks his numbers are pretty meager at best. Tatar would be a better upgrade for the Ducks over Pouliot.

 

[cgf]

I still like:

To Winnipeg: Matt Duchene
To Edmonton: Tyson Barrie
To Colorado: Ryan Nugent Hopkins and Jacob Trouba

Duchene>RNH
but
Trouba>Barrie... the "in a vacuum" difference is still not enough for the Avs, but when considering the market for young RHD with high ceilings, as well as Roy's love for toughness and grit, I think it makes sense for all parties.

The oilers have apparently offered RNH for Barrie, so, makes sense there...
The Jets get an all world type Center, and having Duchene, Schief and Little down the middle should make up for the loss of Trouba (look at the D the pens just won the cup with....)

I don't. Trouba/Barrie is a wash right now, but Dutchy to RNH is a significant step down. RNH has the talent/potential to match Dutchy. But Duchene's simply been the better player in the NHL so far. I'd consider losing both Matt & Barrie if we were in on a great dman like Subban or Karlsson; but not for a lateral dman and a downgrade up front.

I still don't get all the Duchene/Trouba talk. Why does Winnipeg need Duchene when they have Scheifele and Little?

Duchene was incredible as a RW and Little is aging. And a Dutchy/Schef/Little trio at C would be incredible with their wingers.

or the Oilers give in and trade Leon for Barrie and keep Nuge? it seems a lot of Oiler fans don't want to trade Nuge away? but salary wise, the Avs would be getting a hell of a bargain.

I...god damn it, now I'm actually thinking about this...ugh would that hurt but god damn would I lose it if Leon became an Av. Even if that meant Duchene being traded for a dman...though I don't really like any of the likely options of a Dutchy for dman trade.

 

[Ementy]

I'd do Nurse + Yakupov or Pouliot for Barrie if I was Chia. That way the Oilers get the PPQB they need right now and Colorado adds a player that plays now and probably puts up 40-50 points if all goes well (Possibly much more if yakupov lives to his potential) and a defenseman that might be better than Barrie one day and probably should play in the NHL this year. If I know Nurse he plays the best when he's trying to make the team in training camp you'll see a beast of a player in Nurse and what he's capable of in the future and with the good development program that Colorado's system has.

But i'm not C
hia, do other oiler fans do this deal? does colorado?

 

[Canucks LB]

I'd do Nurse + Yakupov or Pouliot for Barrie if I was Chia. That way the Oilers get the PPQB they need right now and Colorado adds a player that plays now and probably puts up 40-50 points if all goes well (Possibly much more if yakupov lives to his potential) and a defenseman that might be better than Barrie one day and probably should play in the NHL this year. If I know Nurse he plays the best when he's trying to make the team in training camp you'll see a beast of a player in Nurse and what he's capable of in the future and with the good development program that Colorado's system has.

But i'm not C
hia, do other oiler fans do this deal? does colorado?

That deal gets you nowhere near barrie.

 

[cgf]

That deal gets you nowhere near barrie.

For a signed Barrie, maybe. But colorado can't hold onto talent, so Tyson's guaranteed to bolt in 3 years. Meaning the avs should just take what they can get from the Oilers for him now.

 

[AMDZen]

I'd do Nurse + Yakupov or Pouliot for Barrie if I was Chia. That way the Oilers get the PPQB they need right now and Colorado adds a player that plays now and probably puts up 40-50 points if all goes well (Possibly much more if yakupov lives to his potential) and a defenseman that might be better than Barrie one day and probably should play in the NHL this year. If I know Nurse he plays the best when he's trying to make the team in training camp you'll see a beast of a player in Nurse and what he's capable of in the future and with the good development program that Colorado's system has.

But i'm not C
hia, do other oiler fans do this deal? does colorado?

So generous. Yakupov or Pouliot? Our pick? You shouldn't have.

It's already been rumored that Chiarelli offered BOTH, not either or, along with Nurse and even a first round pick. It was turned down. Rightfully so.

Some oil fans should try to keep up with things we already know if you want to participate in a discussion that's been ongoing for a while now. Is it really too much to ask that parties involved be educated on the topic at hand? Evidently so

 

[oStealthKiller*]

So generous. Yakupov or Pouliot? Our pick? You shouldn't have.

It's already been rumored that Chiarelli offered BOTH, not either or, along with Nurse and even a first round pick. It was turned down. Rightfully so.

Some oil fans should try to keep up with things we already know if you want to participate in a discussion that's been ongoing for a while now. Is it really too much to ask that parties involved be educated on the topic at hand? Evidently so

Nurse wasn't a part of the rumoured offer

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

For a signed Barrie, maybe. But colorado can't hold onto talent, so Tyson's guaranteed to bolt in 3 years. Meaning the avs should just take what they can get from the Oilers for him now.

Cap floor team like Aves now need to pay MacKinnon too. Can they even keep the lights on in the arena if they are paying Barrie $5M?

 

[GirardSpinorama]

After the mackinnon contract is sorted out, i cant see barrie leaving anymore. Cap is certain now, can get him either long term at 6 or arbitraton for 5. Either way, Barrie is unlikely to get traded now.

 

[Toggel]

After the mackinnon contract is sorted out, i cant see barrie leaving anymore. Cap is certain now, can get him either long term at 6 or arbitraton for 5. Either way, Barrie is unlikely to get traded now.

Barrie is 12th in D scoring in the last 3 years. Take a look at who he is surrounded by. Defensive Dman get PAID. I think he will get 6 mil +

Aves might still be able to afford that but thats a lot to pay to a guy that your coach doesn't like.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

id give him the same contract as mackinnon. no problem.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Barrie is 12th in D scoring in the last 3 years. Take a look at who he is surrounded by. Defensive Dman get PAID. I think he will get 6 mil +

Aves might still be able to afford that but thats a lot to pay to a guy that your coach doesn't like.

why do fans think our gm and coach doesnt like our players? Roy plays him 23 mins a game to punish him?

 

[cgf]

why do fans think our gm and coach doesnt like our players? Roy plays him 23 mins a game to punish him?

Because Nick Holden lead us in minutes a couple of times.

 

[EscapedGoat]

Barrie is 12th in D scoring in the last 3 years. Take a look at who he is surrounded by. Defensive Dman get PAID. I think he will get 6 mil +

Aves might still be able to afford that but thats a lot to pay to a guy that your coach doesn't like.

Can you show me your proof that Roy doesn't like Barrie? Oh, you can't? You read some people on here erroneously make that claim and decided to make the claim yourself instead of realizing how silky it is? Sounds about right.

Barrie played 23 minutes a game under Roy. When EJ went down with an injury last year, Roy relied heavily on Barrie to pick up the extra minutes. That definitely sounds like Roy hates him, huh?

PS. It's Avs not Aves. Theres no E after the V. It's not spelled Avelanche. Ave is short for avenue. You are calling them the avenues.

 

[Mr Positive]

Can you show me your proof that Roy doesn't like Barrie? Oh, you can't? You read some people on here erroneously make that claim and decided to make the claim yourself instead of realizing how silky it is? Sounds about right.

Barrie played 23 minutes a game under Roy. When EJ went down with an injury last year, Roy relied heavily on Barrie to pick up the extra minutes. That definitely sounds like Roy hates him, huh?

PS. It's Avs not Aves. Theres no E after the V. It's not spelled Avelanche. Ave is short for avenue. You are calling them the avenues.

I think that view of Roy's opinion on Barrie is supported by Colorado writer Terry Frei. He is often cited for saying that he thinks Roy sees Barrie as a 5th at best and PP specialist.

He phrased it a bit differently on his own site: http://www.terryfrei.com/oncoloradosports.html (it's a bit long so Ctrl F for Barrie)

He's back pedaled quite a bit imo, and now it seems more like it is really just his opinion about how Barrie should be used. He also doesn't seem to like Johnson.

We'll see how arbitration goes. If (and imo when) Barrie gets 6+ then if they just think he's a #5 then they will trade him. I don't buy it either anymore though, and quite frankly I've moved on from this idea. I just pop into this thread to see if anything has changed, but it obviously hasn't.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I think that view of Roy's opinion on Barrie is supported by Colorado writer Terry Frei. He is often cited for saying that he thinks Roy sees Barrie as a 5th at best and PP specialist.

He phrased it a bit differently on his own site: http://www.terryfrei.com/oncoloradosports.html (it's a bit long so Ctrl F for Barrie)

He's back pedaled quite a bit imo, and now it seems more like it is really just his opinion about how Barrie should be used. He also doesn't seem to like Johnson.

We'll see how arbitration goes. If (and imo when) Barrie gets 6+ then if they just think he's a #5 then they will trade him. I don't buy it either anymore though, and quite frankly I've moved on from this idea. I just pop into this thread to see if anything has changed, but it obviously hasn't.

Terry Frei is not someone to take seriously... There's not really anyone that reports about the Avs that you should take seriously, except for maybe Dater, although take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Also there's this weird misconception that Barrie is a PP specialist, which is not the case. He actually needs to work on QB a PP, he's far and away his best when he is able to drive the play at 5 on 5 and make things happen with the puck on his stick. Just to let everyone know Barrie isn't some PP specialist PMD; he's a 5 on 5 force more than anything else.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Anyone know when his arb date would be?

 

[CB Joe]

Anyone know when his arb date would be?

It hasn't been scheduled yet. The schedule should be released in the next few days.

 

[McFlyingV]

After the mackinnon contract is sorted out, i cant see barrie leaving anymore. Cap is certain now, can get him either long term at 6 or arbitraton for 5. Either way, Barrie is unlikely to get traded now.

I think he could get more than 5 in arbitration with Hamilton making 5.75 in Calgary. We'll see though, will be an interesting situation to follow.

 

[Sempiternal]

This is not happening. Surprised it's still near the top of the pile.

 

[cgf]

I think that view of Roy's opinion on Barrie is supported by Colorado writer Terry Frei. He is often cited for saying that he thinks Roy sees Barrie as a 5th at best and PP specialist.

He phrased it a bit differently on his own site: http://www.terryfrei.com/oncoloradosports.html (it's a bit long so Ctrl F for Barrie)

He's back pedaled quite a bit imo, and now it seems more like it is really just his opinion about how Barrie should be used. He also doesn't seem to like Johnson.

We'll see how arbitration goes. If (and imo when) Barrie gets 6+ then if they just think he's a #5 then they will trade him. I don't buy it either anymore though, and quite frankly I've moved on from this idea. I just pop into this thread to see if anything has changed, but it obviously hasn't.

If Frei's speculation is the best you've got to support your argument, then maybe your argument is bull****. *shrug*

 

[oobga]

I don't see Chia being desperate for this move now. A PP QB would be nice, but you can still have a good PP without one. Krueger did it and Nelson did it with the Oilers and neither had McDavid to work with. We have enough talented forwards that, if coached properly, can move the puck efficiently to let guys like Klefbom and Sekera, and maybe even Larsson be passable on the PP. I think Chia waits until next summer to find the next D piece, it's just too much of a pain now with the expansion draft to add another D we need to protect.