McKenzie: Oilers in on Barrie? (Part II)

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RNH+Fayne for Barrie

easy

 

[Cypher]

RNH+Fayne for Barrie

easy

Yeah, an easy "NO"

 

[plikestechno]

Nobody wants Mark Fayne. And im an Oiler fan. We're eating that one.

I dont think RNH for Barrie happens. I think
the Oilers really want to see what mcdavid, draisaitl and rnh down the middle does and colorado needs to be trading forwards not defensemen. They dont need more forwards. Barrie would leave too big of a hole.

 

[Muffin]

Out of curiosity who filed for arbitration, ROR or Sakic/Roy? Just wondering since Barrie has the same agent as ROR and if there are any similarities or differences in this case?

Do the Avs get to select the term or does Barrie since he elected to file?

All of this should play out one way or another once the date is set. I'd love to add Barrie to the Oilers but I don't see Colorado giving him away unless his contract demands are ridiculous for Colorado as well as any team acquiring him.

Avs get to select terms. Basically Barrie has to play in Colorado for at least 3 more years whether he likes it or not. He'll still be an RFA if Colorado choose the 2 year terms after arbitration, then they can do it all over again.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Avs get to select terms. Basically Barrie has to play in Colorado for at least 3 more years whether he likes it or not. He'll still be an RFA if Colorado choose the 2 year terms after arbitration, then they can do it all over again.

Thanks. That'd be the best possible way to lose a guy as an UFA.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Thanks. That'd be the best possible way to lose a guy as an UFA.

Considering Barrie is the one that elected arbitration, it helps the Avs. Avs haven't been disrespectful to Barrie. It might be a slight disagreement over salary, but Barrie has given every indication that he would prefer to stay an Av.

Even so, if things don't work out and they move Barrie, I've faith in Sakic that he will get a good return and we'll still be happy.

 

[AslanRH]

Out of curiosity who filed for arbitration, ROR or Sakic/Roy? Just wondering since Barrie has the same agent as ROR and if there are any similarities or differences in this case?

Do the Avs get to select the term or does Barrie since he elected to file?

All of this should play out one way or another once the date is set. I'd love to add Barrie to the Oilers but I don't see Colorado giving him away unless his contract demands are ridiculous for Colorado as well as any team acquiring him.

Avs filed on ROR (his QO was $6.5m) and the Avs were hoping to get that down. 85% is the max they could have gotten. In that case, ROR also only had 2 years before UFA, so he could have chosen the term. He chose 1 yr and asked for $6.75m meaning the Avs would have to go through the process again in his final RFA year at QO somewhere between $5.525m-$6.75m. In the end, Sakic offered a 2 year contract that took him straight to UFA, but it was clear by then that he would be moved before it expired as his demands were going to be more than the Avs wanted to pay.

In this case, Barrie filed and therefore the Avs get to choose 1 or 2 years. Neither of which leads Barrie to UFA, so the Avs will still have some initial control on his next negotiations. Barrie's QO is only $3.2m so both parties have incentive to get a deal done beforehand as they will only be arguing over the amount of increase Barrie receives as opposed to the Avs trying to get Barrie's number down.

Both sides just need to agree how much of a raise is fair either over the short term or long term, and that should be far easier than trying to get someone to take a pay cut.

 

[tucker3434]

RNH+Fayne for Barrie

easy

And where exactly does Colorado get that cap space from? Not that we'd want it anyway.

Thanks. That'd be the best possible way to lose a guy as an UFA.

Just like ROR, right?

 

[Voight]

RNH for Barrie. I'd do it, I think the Avs do it as part of a pseudo three-way to get them a defenceman. Helps Edmonton immensely and it's probably a near-wash in cap space once Barrie's extension is in place.

Avs probably want something better than him, or more cost controlled like LD.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Avs filed on ROR (his QO was $6.5m) and the Avs were hoping to get that down. 85% is the max they could have gotten. In that case, ROR also only had 2 years before UFA, so he could have chosen the term. He chose 1 yr and asked for $6.75m meaning the Avs would have to go through the process again in his final RFA year at QO somewhere between $5.525m-$6.75m. In the end, Sakic offered a 2 year contract that took him straight to UFA, but it was clear by then that he would be moved before it expired as his demands were going to be more than the Avs wanted to pay.

In this case, Barrie filed and therefore the Avs get to choose 1 or 2 years. Neither of which leads Barrie to UFA, so the Avs will still have some initial control on his next negotiations. Barrie's QO is only $3.2m so both parties have incentive to get a deal done beforehand as they will only be arguing over the amount of increase Barrie receives as opposed to the Avs trying to get Barrie's number down.

Both sides just need to agree how much of a raise is fair either over the short term or long term, and that should be far easier than trying to get someone to take a pay cut.

Thanks. Do you think that they got as much for ROR as they would've had they elected a 1 year deal or do you think that it even matters? I suppose if ROR talked to Murray before the trade went down they agreed to something in principal anyway.

And where exactly does Colorado get that cap space from? Not that we'd want it anyway.



Just like ROR, right?

Are you happy with the return for ROR? Do you think that it would've been better if he had another RFA year remaining before being dealt or less so because an extension couldn't have been agreed upon? IMO had Colorado been in a playoff push and kept ROR he almost certainly would've walked come July 1st. If Sakic wouldn't have allowed that then it's a moot point.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Avs probably want something better than him, or more cost controlled like LD.

That would be unlikely from our side. As much as we could use Barrie it shouldn't come at the expense of Draisaitl.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

As soon as ROR got the offersheet from Calgary, the Avs lost all leverage. The "mistake" the Avs made (Pierre Lecroix) was that they didn't think ROR would have gotten a offersheet. Although that was also logical, since I believe ROR would have needed to go through the waiver process, and Calgary would have been screwed. Not easy to predict Feaster being an idiot and doing it anyways.

Avs got as much as they could have gotten for ROR after the offersheet was signed. He had a clear path to UFA. It would not have mattered which year they traded ROR because his QO made sure that him being a RFA is meaningless.

None of that really applies to Barrie. He is just another normal RFA with a low value QO.

 

[Drury_Sakic]

Thanks. Do you think that they got as much for ROR as they would've had they elected a 1 year deal or do you think that it even matters? I suppose if ROR talked to Murray before the trade went down they agreed to something in principal anyway.



Are you happy with the return for ROR? Do you think that it would've been better if he had another RFA year remaining before being dealt or less so because an extension couldn't have been agreed upon? IMO had Colorado been in a playoff push and kept ROR he almost certainly would've walked come July 1st. If Sakic wouldn't have allowed that then it's a moot point.

I don't think the value of O'Money was impacted at all. He signed a new deal quickly with Buffalo. Any team bringing him in had to know at least roughly what he was asking for dollar wise and was presumably prepared to do it.

As for are Avs fans happy with the return. On paper, the value was there....on ice, we will see. The two real valuable pieces are just starting to hit the roster.

I think by the end of this season we will have a good idea about Zadorov, and fans feel good about his development path thus far.

Compher is a guy some fans are really high on, expectations are he will be a legit 2/3rd line player that will help the Avs 2 way game almost right away.

Grigorenko is probably going to be just a depth forward, but still has some upside.

A.J. Greer, who was drafted in the 39 spot with a pick indirectly acquired as a result of the trade, also is a prospect Avs fans are high on.

Not to be lost is that the Avs signed Soda with O'Reilly's money at a lower cap hit. So yeah, in general, most Avs fans are OK with the return still..... but if one of Zadorov, Compher, or Grigorenko do work out, we reserve the right to change our minds.

 

[Drury_Sakic]

That would be unlikely from our side. As much as we could use Barrie it shouldn't come at the expense of Draisaitl.

Which is why the two teams are a bad fit for a trade...and have been from the start....unless Colorado works a side deal with another club involving one of their forwards for a youngish lefty D man who is NHL ready.

 

[57special]

Trading Barrie makes no sense for CO, unless he doesn't want to be there, in which case, a trade for another Dman makes some sense. Don't see EDM having the pieces...getting RNH makes zero sense. CO needs solid D, pronto. Maybe work out something with a FLA team, or the Caps? All sorts of possibilities.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

As soon as ROR got the offersheet from Calgary, the Avs lost all leverage. The "mistake" the Avs made (Pierre Lecroix) was that they didn't think ROR would have gotten a offersheet. Although that was also logical, since I believe ROR would have needed to go through the waiver process, and Calgary would have been screwed. Not easy to predict Feaster being an idiot and doing it anyways.

Avs got as much as they could have gotten for ROR after the offersheet was signed. He had a clear path to UFA. It would not have mattered which year they traded ROR because his QO made sure that him being a RFA is meaningless.

None of that really applies to Barrie. He is just another normal RFA with a low value QO.

Thanks a lot for the 411 guys, I remember the whole OS fiasco and had heard many times about ROR's displeasure or alleged displeasure with management but not I get a detailed rundown years after the fact and can see what similarities there are to Barrie (not nearly as many as there are differences it seems).

Barrie doesn't need to sign his QO though does he?

I don't think the value of O'Money was impacted at all. He signed a new deal quickly with Buffalo. Any team bringing him in had to know at least roughly what he was asking for dollar wise and was presumably prepared to do it.

As for are Avs fans happy with the return. On paper, the value was there....on ice, we will see. The two real valuable pieces are just starting to hit the roster.

I think by the end of this season we will have a good idea about Zadorov, and fans feel good about his development path thus far.

Compher is a guy some fans are really high on, expectations are he will be a legit 2/3rd line player that will help the Avs 2 way game almost right away.

Grigorenko is probably going to be just a depth forward, but still has some upside.

A.J. Greer, who was drafted in the 39 spot with a pick indirectly acquired as a result of the trade, also is a prospect Avs fans are high on.

Not to be lost is that the Avs signed Soda with O'Reilly's money at a lower cap hit. So yeah, in general, most Avs fans are OK with the return still..... but if one of Zadorov, Compher, or Grigorenko do work out, we reserve the right to change our minds.

Thanks.

Which is why the two teams are a bad fit for a trade...and have been from the start....unless Colorado works a side deal with another club involving one of their forwards for a youngish lefty D man who is NHL ready.

I still think that Anaheim could be that team if they move out Fowler. The question is what would they want from Edmonton? Likely our 1st next season + some forwards.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Thanks. Do you think that they got as much for ROR as they would've had they elected a 1 year deal or do you think that it even matters? I suppose if ROR talked to Murray before the trade went down they agreed to something in principal anyway.

Avs moved ROR out in what was his summer before free agency. Had he been on a one year deal instead he'd have been a potentially difficult to negotiate with RFA instead of a signed impending UFA.

Ultimately I don't think it made a big difference, Buffalo extended him quickly at a dollar value he was happy to accept. However I imagine teams would prefer to have a guy signed for 1 year they can extend than an unsigned RFA that they might have to settle on a 1 year QO with or something.

Just my two cents. Overall the ROR deal couldn't have gone much better, Avs ended up with a host of valuable young assets in Zadorov, Grigorenko, Greer, Compher and Morrison (also giving up McGinn). I wouldn't make the deal again with someone like Duchene, but at the time it was the right decision with ROR.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

RNH+Fayne for Barrie

easy

I doubt that's at all interesting for the Avs. They have McKinnon and Duchene at center, so why would they want to add another 6 million dollar center to their team.

Plus the cap formula is completely out of the question for the Avs.

Also Colorado would probably want a defenseman back, so they would probably want Klefbom in the equation.

 

[tucker3434]

Thanks. Do you think that they got as much for ROR as they would've had they elected a 1 year deal or do you think that it even matters? I suppose if ROR talked to Murray before the trade went down they agreed to something in principal anyway.



Are you happy with the return for ROR? Do you think that it would've been better if he had another RFA year remaining before being dealt or less so because an extension couldn't have been agreed upon? IMO had Colorado been in a playoff push and kept ROR he almost certainly would've walked come July 1st. If Sakic wouldn't have allowed that then it's a moot point.

Yeah, I'm generally pretty happy with it. I don't think there would have been much difference if he had another RFA year after. Buffalo knew they were going to lock him up long term. I don't think they much cared what his status was at the end of the deal. They weren't going to let him reach it regardless. It'll be he same with Barrie. The acquiring team will know what he wants and will pay it.

In the end, Barrie is different. I doubt we'll drag this one out like we did that one. If we're still struggling to sign him next offseason, he'll likely be gone with 2 RFA years left.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Yeah, I'm generally pretty happy with it. I don't think there would have been much difference if he had another RFA year after. Buffalo knew they were going to lock him up long term. I don't think they much cared what his status was at the end of the deal. They weren't going to let him reach it regardless. It'll be he same with Barrie. The acquiring team will know what he wants and will pay it.

In the end, Barrie is different. I doubt we'll drag this one out like we did that one. If we're still struggling to sign him next offseason, he'll likely be gone with 2 RFA years left.

Yeah you guys had Duchene, Stastny and MacKinnon to fall back on with his departure. If Barrie moves on D almost certainly would need to be coming back.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I still think that Anaheim could be that team if they move out Fowler. The question is what would they want from Edmonton? Likely our 1st next season + some forwards.

Fowler is only a few years away from UFA, so if anything Barrie's contract is easier to control. He's also a LD, and we have too many of those already.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Fowler is only a few years away from UFA, so if anything Barrie's contract is easier to control. He's also a LD, and we have too many of those already.

Vatanen?

 

[Avenger*]

Avs haven't been disrespectful to Barrie.

Roy calling Barrie a "#5 defenceman" isn't disrespectful?

 

[TheForsbergShow]

Roy calling Barrie a "#5 defenceman" isn't disrespectful?

Why come into a conversation when you have no idea about one of the teams involved lol. Just spewing false info like its fact and was actually said. Roy never said that , idk how many times it needs to be said in here for it to get through some peoples heads

 

[Roof Daddy]

Roy calling Barrie a "#5 defenceman" isn't disrespectful?

How many times does it have to be mentioned that Roy never said this? A hack reporter speculated if Roy thought this, based on further speculation that Roy would think it based on wanting a bigger D.

It's getting painful at this point.