McKenzie: Oilers in on Barrie? (Part II)

[Bender]

Naturally, however it should go without saying that if he traded McDavid for Barrie I'd be pissed, I don't think that I should need to hold anyone's hands when it comes to obvious things like that.

Right and obviously no one should need to hold your hand if you believe the Edmonton is going to acquire Barrie for a package of assets of moderate value (ex: Yakupov, Pouliot and a 1st).

If the Avs move Barrie, they'll be getting a very good player in return...one that a lot of Oilers fans will have a hard time giving up (ie: RNH or Draisaitl) and that deal is likely contingent on the Avs acquiring a D-man from another team since our needs are on D.

If Chiarelli gives up former #1 pick in Hall for Larsson and former #1 or #3 pick in RNH / Draisaitl for Larsson and Barrie, I wouldn't be erecting any statues any time soon.

 

[Drij]

I read a article saying Edmonton Oilers think mcdavid is a 2nd line center and are looking to trade RNH for a top line center.

 

[Fogelhund]

I read a article saying Edmonton Oilers think mcdavid is a 2nd line center and are looking to trade RNH for a top line center.

LOL... link? That is either the most ridiculous article of all time, or a ridiculous troll job, not sure which.

 

[cgf]

The difference between the two is that one is believable and the other isn't. I could definitely see Roy saying that during one of his meltdown temper tantrums. Not saying it's true but it seems a little too convenient that it's put out while Sakic is having problems with contract negotiations.

I find the McDavid rumor much more believable than the Barrie one.

 

[Avenger*]

If Chiarelli gives up former #1 pick in Hall for Larsson and former #1 or #3 pick in RNH / Draisaitl for Larsson and Barrie, I wouldn't be erecting any statues any time soon.

It must be really difficult for some people to comprehend that not all trades are about which GM wins a stat comparison in a vacuum.

 

[EscapedGoat]

It must be really difficult for some people to comprehend that not all trades are about which GM wins a stat comparison in a vacuum.

It also must be really difficult for some people to comprehend that when a blogger gives his opinion of a player, that doesn't mean the coach of the player thinks that. Of course, if the blogger IS the coach as well, I guess it's fair to assume tge opinions are the same.

Do you still think Roy disrespected Barrie by calling him a number 5 PP specialist as you so boldly claimed in here?

 

[Draiskull]

I find the McDavid rumor much more believable than the Barrie one.

You dug up this thread from the depth of the hfboards (where this thread belongs) just to post this?

Just let it die ..

Chiarelli has made more than just one trade that everyone seems to keep bringing up.

Maroon for Gernat + late pick
Kassian for a goalie stuggling in the AHL on a monster contract


Sure Chia overpaid to fill a hole out of desperation but that probably would not be the standard going forward. The desperation factor is gone.

 

[bucks_oil]

Not necessarily. If Edm traded for another D they could go the 8 skater route vs 7f 3d.
As it stands Edm only has to protect RNH, LD, Lucic and Eberle of their top end talent up front. McDavid and Pulijiarvi are exempt. I don't think they would cry about losing anyone outside of those 6 forwards. If you further consider that you might be able to add that 4th D without spending one of those 4 forwards it is a great move. If you have to move RNH or LD in order to get that D well then you can protect Yakupov or something.

This is true... but still... some combination of Reinhart, Davidson and Yakupov will be exposed depending on the route we select.

If I were Chia, I might be tempted to wait on the 2nd RD until:

1) We see how Larsson/Lucic shakes out... if we are winning he's less bent over on any deal
2) If any of Reinhart, Davidson or Yakupov boost their value it provides more data for the decision of who to expose (or even trade)
3) As other GMs do the same, there will be GM's electing to go the 7/3 route, several #4D will come available in trade... we can trade a forward for that guy and both GMs are happy(ier)

I'm predicting a pretty dynamic trade market by December/January of this year. Might as well see where we stand.

 

[Avs44]

LOL... link? That is either the most ridiculous article of all time, or a ridiculous troll job, not sure which.

There is no proof the article exists. However, you have no proof the article does not exist.


It's just a he said / she said.

 

[EscapedGoat]

You dug up this thread from the depth of the hfboards (where this thread belongs) just to post this?

Just let it die ..

Chiarelli has made more than just one trade that everyone seems to keep bringing up.

Maroon for Gernat + late pick
Kassian for a goalie stuggling in the AHL on a monster contract


Sure Chia overpaid to fill a hole out of desperation but that probably would not be the standard going forward. The desperation factor is gone.

The depth of HFboards?

The last post in the thread before cgf posted was only a few hours before. How is that digging up a thread? It was probably still on the first page. That's digging up a thread from the depth of HFboards? I'm confused. Strange post you made.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

How about RNH+Sekera for Barrie+grigorenko

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

How about RNH+Sekera for Barrie+grigorenko

Trade doesn't make sense for Colorado. They really don't need RNH, they have two really good centers on their top two line, and I doubt they're going to want another 6 million dollar player in that position. I don't think Sekera would be that interesting to the Avs either he doesn't replace Barrie.

I just don't see RNH as the centerpiece of a trade that the Avs are interested in.

 

[Chayos]

Trade doesn't make sense for Colorado. They really don't need RNH, they have two really good centers on their top two line, and I doubt they're going to want another 6 million dollar player in that position. I don't think Sekera would be that interesting to the Avs either he doesn't replace Barrie.

I just don't see RNH as the centerpiece of a trade that the Avs are interested in.

I could see RNH and Reinhart for Barrie and Grigorenko.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

At this point I don't see Barrie going to Edmonton without Draisaitl involved. Even if they add. Otherwise they will go through arbitration or extend him, both scenarios they keep him.

 

[Draiskull]

The depth of HFboards?

The last post in the thread before cgf posted was only a few hours before. How is that digging up a thread? It was probably still on the first page. That's digging up a thread from the depth of HFboards? I'm confused. Strange post you made.

it was over 6 hrs so wasnt far away from disappearing.

 

[Draiskull]

At this point I don't see Barrie going to Edmonton without Draisaitl involved. Even if they add. Otherwise they will go through arbitration or extend him, both scenarios they keep him.

I dont see Draisaitl going unless MacKinnon is going the other way even if Oilers had to add a bit.

Point being: Draisiatl is sensitive territory..

 

[strictlyrandy]

I could see RNH and Reinhart for Barrie and Grigorenko.

Avs don't have a need for RNH or his salary. They'd rather pay Barrie I presume. I also value Barrie higher.

Also Grigs > Reinhart. Grigs fills a need. Reinhart does not. Avs have better D talent battling for spots this year

 

[tucker3434]

I could see RNH and Reinhart for Barrie and Grigorenko.

Barrie>RNH
Grigorenko>>Reinhart

I don't see it all.

 

[Draiskull]

Avs don't have a need for RNH or his salary. They'd rather pay Barrie I presume. I also value Barrie higher.

Also Grigs > Reinhart. Grigs fills a need. Reinhart does not. Avs have better D talent battling for spots this year

Then pay him his 7M x 7yrs and be done with it.

Avs have to sign Barrie and Grigerenko and add a top 9 F for ~8M in cap space.

 

[tucker3434]

Then pay him his 7M x 7yrs and be done with it.

Avs have to sign Barrie and Grigerenko and add a top 9 F for ~8M in cap space.

Avs have $8.3, and it's highly unlikely they sign another top 9.

MacKinnon
Landeskog
Duchene
Rantanen
Iginla
Soderberg
Colborne
Comeau
Grigorenko

Top 9.

And Grigs will be in the ballpark of $1m.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Then pay him his 7M x 7yrs and be done with it.

Avs have to sign Barrie and Grigerenko and add a top 9 F for ~8M in cap space.

They have the cap space to sign both. I bet they do sign both. Looks like MacK was the priority and now they can focus on Barrie. They also can clear cap still. Also, Barrie won't get more than EJ, so 7 million isn't gonna happen.

 

[returnofthemack29]

Then pay him his 7M x 7yrs and be done with it.

Avs have to sign Barrie and Grigerenko and add a top 9 F for ~8M in cap space.

I'm sure the Avs could add a top 9 guy for pretty cheap closer to camp. Grigs is going to be around $1 mil and Barrie shouldn't get more than $5.5-6 mil either via extension or arbitration. Thanks for your concerns though.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

I'm sure the Avs could add a top 9 guy for pretty cheap closer to camp. Grigs is going to be around $1 mil and Barrie shouldn't get more than $5.5-6 mil either via extension or arbitration. Thanks for your concerns though.

Would think 6 million is the absolute lowest for him

 

[returnofthemack29]

Would think 6 million is the absolute lowest for him

Not with arbitration. Barrie is good, but not EJ good. We just gave EJ $6 mil last year and that bought out only his UFA years. Barrie still has 3 RFA years left. He's not getting more than $6 mil.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

I dont see Draisaitl going unless MacKinnon is going the other way even if Oilers had to add a bit.

Point being: Draisiatl is sensitive territory..

No one is disputing that, the trade hasn't happened afterall. But if one side had to give, it is fair to say that Edmonton would give before Colorado. Barrie is a Karlsson-lite with a proven 50 point per year return from the blue line. Drai is still developing and they just gave up Hall for Larsson, Avs have no reason to settle for RNH or Ebs.