McKenzie: Oilers in on Barrie? (Part II)

[Blue Line Turnover]

I'd honestly prefer the Wiz over Barrie at this point. He's going to cost way too much and I bet Wiz paired with Sekera would be a very decent second pairing

 

[ConBonJovi]

I agree, which is why if we are not getting the type of defender we want out of the deal, it would have to be for an asset that fits in with what they are building.

The only other thing besides a defender is a young #2 center with size, that could bring a different dynamic as a 1A/1B with MacK.

Duchene and MacK are similar, and Duchene scores more goals at RW than he does at center. RNH is not someone they would want with his injury history, and having to face the central, and Western conference in general.

IF (and very unlikely IF) nothing happens before the season starts, I'd pray that RNH and Scheiffele by some miracle get some time together at the WC's. Maybe if they show some chemistry a deal can happen soon thereafter for Myers or Trouba. But as said, very highly doubt the Jets are wanting to part with JT..

 

[LTIR]

No one is disputing that, the trade hasn't happened afterall. But if one side had to give, it is fair to say that Edmonton would give before Colorado. Barrie is a Karlsson-lite with a proven 50 point per year return from the blue line. Drai is still developing and they just gave up Hall for Larsson, Avs have no reason to settle for RNH or Ebs.

So Barrie is not EJ good but he is Karlsson lite


Barrie is nothing like Karlsson. . EK is a legit #1 Dman who you can throw out against top opposition and expect to carry not just your D pairing but the offense as well.

If Chia was going to bend and pay RNH it would have been done already.. Draisaitl is out of question and was a deal breaker in that supposed Subban deal.

Ball is in Sakic''s court ..he will see what Barrie is awarded and then he will either accept it or trade him for whatever is the best offer.

I don't expect it to be RNH...

 

[tucker3434]

So Barrie is not EJ good but he is Karlsson lite


Barrie is nothing like Karlsson. . EK is a legit #1 Dman who you can throw out against top opposition and expect to carry not just your D pairing but the offense as well.

If Chia was going to bend and pay RNH it would have been done already.. Draisaitl is out of question and was a deal breaker in that supposed Subban deal.

Ball is in Sakic''s court ..he will see what Barrie is awarded and then he will either accept it or trade him for whatever is the best offer.

I don't expect it to be RNH...

No it wouldn't, because Sakic wouldn't take RNH in exchange for Barrie

And that isn't how arb works.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

So Barrie is not EJ good but he is Karlsson lite


Barrie is nothing like Karlsson. . EK is a legit #1 Dman who you can throw out against top opposition and expect to carry not just your D pairing but the offense as well.

If Chia was going to bend and pay RNH it would have been done already.. Draisaitl is out of question and was a deal breaker in that supposed Subban deal.

Ball is in Sakic''s court ..he will see what Barrie is awarded and then he will either accept it or trade him for whatever is the best offer.

I don't expect it to be RNH...

You realize RNH is a #1 overall pick signed long term with Datsyuk's defensive game?

And you think trading him for a free agent power play specialist is a good deal?

 

[Draiskull]

You realize RNH is a #1 overall pick signed long term with Datsyuk's defensive game?

And you think trading him for a free agent power play specialist is a good deal?

Are you sure you quoted the right poster?

Barrie doesnt fetch the Avs Nuge... In Bob Stauffer we trust.

Hall-Larsson does not set a precedent for anything. If it does then so does Maroon for Gernat+4th where Chia fleeced the other side.

Fact 1: Larsson was not on the market nor on any trade rumors. He was loved by NJ fans and management and was projecting up to being a solid top pairing Dman.

Fact2: Barrie has been in rumors for a while and clearly has issues with getting the next contract. Ideally the Avs should give him 500K more as a bonus and request him to fire his agent. That guy seems like a major headache for the Avs.

I am sure Sakic has a deal lined up already incase the arbitration award is too high for his liking. He will certainly not walk away from it but then will pull the trigger on the deal that he has lined up...

ideally it involves Fowler from ANA and maybe Yak with retained salary from Edmonton.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

So Barrie is not EJ good but he is Karlsson lite


Barrie is nothing like Karlsson. . EK is a legit #1 Dman who you can throw out against top opposition and expect to carry not just your D pairing but the offense as well.

If Chia was going to bend and pay RNH it would have been done already.. Draisaitl is out of question and was a deal breaker in that supposed Subban deal.

Ball is in Sakic''s court ..he will see what Barrie is awarded and then he will either accept it or trade him for whatever is the best offer.

I don't expect it to be RNH...

I don't see anything you said in this post to refute my point... all you did was say how good Karlsson is and point out that you think RNH is overkill for Barrie.

Barrie being Karlsson lite does not mean he has to be as good as Karlsson, it means he plays a similar game and performs at a comparable but lower level. If you'd like another comparable you can look at Dan Boyle during his prime, another defender with a comparable game to Karlsson's. The key difference is Karlsson plays it at an elite level whereas the others don't/didn't.

There's no point in Sakic conceding and taking RNH, might as well ride out arbitration and keep Barrie for a year or two before moving him. I'd rather have Barrie putting up 50-55 points on the backend than RNH putting up 50-60 points on the 2nd/3rd line.

 

[Avenger*]

It also must be really difficult for some people to comprehend that when a blogger gives his opinion of a player, that doesn't mean the coach of the player thinks that. Of course, if the blogger IS the coach as well, I guess it's fair to assume tge opinions are the same.

Do you still think Roy disrespected Barrie by calling him a number 5 PP specialist as you so boldly claimed in here?

Open your eyes. I already stated that it can't be confirmed either way so your comparison is irrelevant.

Nice try though.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Open your eyes. I already stated that it can't be confirmed either way so your comparison is irrelevant.

Nice try though.

You seem to be one of those "an absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence" types, while the rest of us are "pics or it didn't happen" types. Believe whatever you want, we know the truth.

 

[Avenger*]

No one is disputing that, the trade hasn't happened afterall. But if one side had to give, it is fair to say that Edmonton would give before Colorado. Barrie is a Karlsson-lite with a proven 50 point per year return from the blue line. Drai is still developing and they just gave up Hall for Larsson, Avs have no reason to settle for RNH or Ebs.

Continuing to use a one off trade as a basis for another is completely ignorant. Regardless if some think the trade was an over payment doesn't mean that it will happen again. Colorado fans seem to ignore that once a player goes to arbitration that relationship with the franchise is tarnished and more often then not doesn't progress much further after the decided time period. Once a player no longer wants to stay on a given team the franchise is at great disadvantage. If Sakic then decides that it's better to move Barrie he won't be in a position to demand an over payment regardless what the player does on the ice.

 

[OCPenguin]

RNH for Barrie. I'd do it, I think the Avs do it as part of a pseudo three-way to get them a defenceman. Helps Edmonton immensely and it's probably a near-wash in cap space once Barrie's extension is in place.

This deal doesn't help Colorado whatsoever. People grossly overrate RNH.

 

[tucker3434]

Continuing to use a one off trade as a basis for another is completely ignorant. Regardless if some think the trade was an over payment doesn't mean that it will happen again. Colorado fans seem to ignore that once a player goes to arbitration that relationship with the franchise is tarnished and more often then not doesn't progress much further after the decided time period. Once a player no longer wants to stay on a given team the franchise is at great disadvantage. If Sakic then decides that it's better to move Barrie he won't be in a position to demand an over payment regardless what the player does on the ice.

Well, let me know when he goes to arbitration.

 

[Avenger*]

You seem to be one of those "an absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence" types, while the rest of us are "pics or it didn't happen" types. Believe whatever you want, we know the truth.

I'm pretty sure none of you have a relationship with any of the people involved in the matter so quite frankly you know little more regarding the situation then I do. The point I'm making is that there's a possibility it happened and since it can't be confirmed either way and taking into consideration the circumstances it's probable that something along those lines was said.

Regarding your generalization, just because a criminal is good at hiding the evidence doesn't mean they are innocent. Logic over semantics.

 

[Avenger*]

Well, let me know when he goes to arbitration.

Scheduled for the 29th I believe.

 

[Drij]

I read a article saying Edmonton Oilers think mcdavid is a 2nd line center and are looking to trade RNH for a top line center.

LOL... link? That is either the most ridiculous article of all time, or a ridiculous troll job, not sure which.

There is no proof the article exists. However, you have no proof the article does not exist.


It's just a he said / she said.

its a valid source.

 

[EscapedGoat]

Open your eyes. I already stated that it can't be confirmed either way so your comparison is irrelevant.

Nice try though.

What can't be confirmed? Frei gave his opinion that Barrie is a number 5 PP specialist. He didn't say Roy thinks that, or he overheard Roy say that. You made up the fact that Roy disrespected Barrie by calling him a number 5 when nothing was ever said by Roy. In fact, Roy used Barrie as his number 1 when EJ went down last year. So the only real evidence we have is that Roy sees barrie as a guy who can play 23 minutes a night. Those are obviously not number 5 Dman minutes.

You made a mistake. You attributed what a blogger said to Roy. Now that you were called on it, you are saying "well it's believable Roy would think that and there's no proof he doesn't". That's absolutely ridiculous. Are we going to attribute everything bloggers say to the coaches of the team the blogger was talking about? Of course not, that's stupid.

I don't know why you're digging your heals in. Just admit you made a mistake and move on. No big deal. The fact that you are not giving this up is making you look silly.

 

[Avs44]

I'm pretty sure none of you have a relationship with any of the people involved in the matter so quite frankly you know little more regarding the situation then I do. The point I'm making is that there's a possibility it happened and since it can't be confirmed either way and taking into consideration the circumstances it's probable that something along those lines was said.

Regarding your generalization, just because a criminal is good at hiding the evidence doesn't mean they are innocent. Logic over semantics.

Wait...so because a blogger said he thinks Roy thinks that, it is therefore probable Roy openly said that, no further proof required?


I now understand how Eklund has followers.

 

[cgf]

You seem to be one of those "an absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence" types, while the rest of us are "pics or it didn't happen" types. Believe whatever you want, we know the truth.

That truth being that Chiarelli hates McDavid as much as Roy hates Barrie.

 

[Avenger*]

What can't be confirmed? Frei gave his opinion that Barrie is a number 5 PP specialist. He didn't say Roy thinks that, or he overheard Roy say that. You made up the fact that Roy disrespected Barrie by calling him a number 5 when nothing was ever said by Roy. In fact, Roy used Barrie as his number 1 when EJ went down last year. So the only real evidence we have is that Roy sees barrie as a guy who can play 23 minutes a night. Those are obviously not number 5 Dman minutes.

You made a mistake. You attributed what a blogger said to Roy. Now that you were called on it, you are saying "well it's believable Roy would think that and there's no proof he doesn't". That's absolutely ridiculous. Are we going to attribute everything bloggers say to the coaches of the team the blogger was talking about? Of course not, that's stupid.

I don't know why you're digging your heals in. Just admit you made a mistake and move on. No big deal. The fact that you are not giving this up is making you look silly.

You are essentially arguing with yourself here. I never took either side. The point I made is that it can't be proven either way. Local media here in Edmonton has picked up on this and normally there has to be more substance to something then what a blogger has typed before that happens. Draw your own conclusion. At this point it's semantics which you stubbornly fail to recognize.

 

[Avenger*]

That truth being that Chiarelli hates McDavid as much as Roy hates Barrie.

Hyperbole is cool

 

[Avs44]

You are essentially arguing with yourself here. I never took either side. The point I made is that it can't be proven either way. Local media here in Edmonton has picked up on this and normally there has to be more substance to something then what a blogger has typed before that happens. Draw your own conclusion. At this point it's semantics which you stubbornly fail to recognize.

Differentiating between a blogger saying "I think person X thinks Y" and "Person X said Y" is not semantics, as much as you might wish to pretend it is. Your lame cop out of "well other media is saying so..." is really quite pathetic, especially considering the source of what the media has been saying comes from the same blogger. You blatantly fabricated an idea (Roy disrespected Barrie by flat out calling him a #5 defensman), and since then you've been leading a merry chase of mental gymnastics to attempt to justify it. Really quite unbelievable.

 

[Mr Positive]

What can't be confirmed? Frei gave his opinion that Barrie is a number 5 PP specialist. He didn't say Roy thinks that, or he overheard Roy say that. You made up the fact that Roy disrespected Barrie by calling him a number 5 when nothing was ever said by Roy. In fact, Roy used Barrie as his number 1 when EJ went down last year. So the only real evidence we have is that Roy sees barrie as a guy who can play 23 minutes a night. Those are obviously not number 5 Dman minutes.

You made a mistake. You attributed what a blogger said to Roy. Now that you were called on it, you are saying "well it's believable Roy would think that and there's no proof he doesn't". That's absolutely ridiculous. Are we going to attribute everything bloggers say to the coaches of the team the blogger was talking about? Of course not, that's stupid.

I don't know why you're digging your heals in. Just admit you made a mistake and move on. No big deal. The fact that you are not giving this up is making you look silly.

I don't want to extend this discussion farther but I can't resist. Frei absolutely implied that Roy thought that. He didn't say "I think ...", he said "I think Roy thinks...". Since he's a Denver guy it seems weird he would say it like that without at least some conversation with Roy himself or some nugget to base it on, and at the very least it is intriguingly vague. He later backpedaled and left Roy out of it, so basically the Frei guy over-stepped his bounds and got outside media types all excited, but you are very, very likely right that Frei knows no real info. It wasn't just the Edm guys either. When I googled it there was a RedWing media guy on it as well.

 

[Avs44]

I don't want to extend this discussion farther but I can't resist. Frei absolutely implied that Roy thought that. He didn't say "I think ...", he said "I think Roy thinks...". Since he's a Denver guy it seems weird he would say it like that without at least some conversation with Roy himself or some nugget to base it on. He later backpedaled and left Roy out of it, so basically the Frei guy over-stepped his bounds and got outside media types all excited. It wasn't just the Edm guys either. When I googled it there was a RedWing media guy on it as well.

So what you're saying is a whole host of second rate media members picked up on the word of a fellow second rate media member (who later toned down his statement, which would indicate he has little confidence in its validity), and therefore, because a whole host of second rate media members are saying the same thing, it might have truth to it? Remarkable.

 

[Mr Positive]

So what you're saying is a whole host of second rate media members picked up on the word of a fellow second rate media member (who later toned down his statement, which would indicate he has little confidence in its validity), and therefore, because a whole host of second rate media members are saying the same thing, it might have truth to it? Remarkable.

Acutally yes, I am saying that except for the part that there might be truth to it. I'm saying there is no truth to it, and btw I'm the one who tracked down the initial links to show that it was this Frei dude who stirred this all up and that he was talking out of his ass. So we are on the same side of this.

edit: I was initially taken in by Stauffer too though since he said it was in the paper in Colorado, but I did shut up about it after I couldn't find any verification on it.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Just because Frei is in Denver doesn't mean he knows anything about the Avs. He's so distanced from the team that I'd believe his weather predictions over anything he says about hockey.