McKenzie: Oilers in on Barrie? (Part II)

[ManofSteel55]

Just no. There is a reason why a deal has yet to get done even though its been discussed for multiple weeks now.

There is only one player on the Edmonton roster that makes sense to the Avs management to move a 50pts dman, and that player is Draisaitl.

The Avs want a controlled asset that they can have for a long time. Eberle would also fit the need of winger, but he is not a controlled asset is already making 6M and will be a UFA at the end of his deal. There is no interest in Yakupov as his value is in the toilet at the moment.

This is the reason why we have not seen Barrie moved to Edmonton yet. The Avs are asking for Draisatil and Edmonton doesn't want to move him. Edmonton is trying everything in their power to trade other pieces, but Sakic isn't budging from his asking price. And he should stay firm on that price for the time being.

Chia was hoping he could strong arm Sakic into taking a bad deal, but Sakic isn't having any of it. And based off track records if Sakic waits long enough he'll probably get what he wants. We are talking about Chia who just traded Hall for Larsson in a laugher of a deal.

Trading Hall for Larsson is precisely why we won't trade Draisaitl for Barrie. We just lost value on one trade to ease the desperation of our situation. We don't need to overpay again.

 

[enuck]

My gut tells me Avs hang on to Barrie.

 

[chet1926]

Trading Hall for Larsson is precisely why we won't trade Draisaitl for Barrie. We just lost value on one trade to ease the desperation of our situation. We don't need to overpay again.

Exactly the Oilers just got owned getting Larsson so now Chia wants to try and make up for it. And there is absolutely no reason for the Avs to trade a 50pts dman, who is 8th in the entire league the past 2 seasons in defensive scoring for anything short of Draisaitl.

That's why there is a standstill with no action going on. Chia is trying to convince Sakic to sell for ancillary pieces or pieces we don't need but Sakic is being smart holding his ground because worst case scenario we get Barrie for the next 2 seasons, and after that he is still a RFA.

Unless one GM budges off their stance I don't see a deal going down.

 

[tempest2i]

Based on how much emphasis Chia has put on size with his public comments and his roster moves since arriving in Edmonton, Draisaitl for Barrie seems super unlikely.

 

[cgf]

Link to this "crap offer"?? Barrie isn't fetching anything close to that crap offer IMO.. keep dreaming Avs fans.
Yakupov Pouloit AND a 1st

You don't actually believe this, do you?

 

[McSuper]

The article is terribly written by someone who clearly has no understanding.

The mere fact that she states that the Sakic may "walk away" from the award and let Barrie become a free agent just goes to show the level of understanding she has.

And I can guarantee you that Barrie and grigorenko are not walking out of arbitration with 10M dollars. That's absurd.

How is Barrie going to justify 7M on a 1 or 2 year deal when Krug just signed a bit over 5 for multiple years.

How is grigs going to justify 3M with a 6 goal, 27 point season? Who are the comparables?

I agree , My point was simply that there one write up after another by media in Edmonton . Fans are hoping these are true

 

[Draiskull]

You don't actually believe this, do you?

What is there to believe? Its all about wishful thinking by fans of both sides right now.
Just wait til July29 and something happens we will know.

Til then anyone can "believe" whatever tickles their fancy.

 

[tucker3434]

What is there to believe? Its all about wishful thinking by fans of both sides right now.
Just wait til July29 and something happens we will know.

Til then anyone can "believe" whatever tickles their fancy.

It's wishful thinking that someone might get Barrie for scraps. It isnt to think he'll sign some sort of deal and be in Colorado next season. The latter is much much more likely than the former.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

What is there to believe? Its all about wishful thinking by fans of both sides right now.
Just wait til July29 and something happens we will know.

Til then anyone can "believe" whatever tickles their fancy.

I doubt we'll have to wait until the 29th. Last year was a busy year for arbiters, when 7 of 25 cases went to hearings - 4 of those settled before the official award. The year before, there was 1 hearing out of 23 cases. In 2013, 0 players had hearings. 2012, 1 hearing. 2011, 1 hearing.

 

[Jarey Curry]

The article is terribly written by someone who clearly has no understanding.

The mere fact that she states that the Sakic may "walk away" from the award and let Barrie become a free agent just goes to show the level of understanding she has.

And I can guarantee you that Barrie and grigorenko are not walking out of arbitration with 10M dollars. That's absurd.

How is Barrie going to justify 7M on a 1 or 2 year deal when Krug just signed a bit over 5 for multiple years.

How is grigs going to justify 3M with a 6 goal, 27 point season? Who are the comparables?

This got me thinking that did the Avs offer something like 4-4,5m for Barrie? I mean would a guy like Barrie go through this trouble and risk if it was above 5m? He clearly cant think of himself as the number 1 D on the team, who is earning 6m.

 

[EdAVSfan]

This got me thinking that did the Avs offer something like 4-4,5m for Barrie? I mean would a guy like Barrie go through this trouble and risk if it was above 5m? He clearly cant think of himself as the number 1 D on the team, who is earning 6m.

Impossible to know really.

Maybe he wants 7+ per year.
Maybe he wants out from the avs.
Maybe he wants to be UFA as quickly as possible.

While EJ is the number 1, perhaps Barrie sees himself as a 1a/1b with Johnson.

Unless numbers come out from someone reputable, we really have no way of knowing.
Most likely, just before arbitration, each party will give their best offers.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Impossible to know really.

Maybe he wants 7+ per year.
Maybe he wants out from the avs.
Maybe he wants to be UFA as quickly as possible.

While EJ is the number 1, perhaps Barrie sees himself as a 1a/1b with Johnson.

Unless numbers come out from someone reputable, we really have no way of knowing.
Most likely, just before arbitration, each party will give their best offers.

Well Barrie has refereed to EJ as the Avs #1 D more than once.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Well Barrie has refereed to EJ as the Avs #1 D more than once.

Media speaking points aren't always reality.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Media speaking points aren't always reality.

No but hes refered to him as their best defender, and specifically as their #1.

I think he knows EJ is the best all around D on the team, but I think he also knows that offensive production gets you paid.

Different perspective, same result. I just don't believe he thinks hes the best D on the team, and has some how been held back. Hes been asked about how Roy handles his mistakes many times as well, and always has a positive answer.

For all the BS, Roy actually double shifts him on occasion as well. There is no real world scenario where Roy does not value him, or views him and the #5 lol. The Denver post has some of the worst beat writers writing stories about the NHL. All they know is the glory days, and can't seem to step away from it themselves.

I don't think I've seen a single one of the writers at the DP evaluate one of our players accurately, and it's even worse sometimes when they try to evaluate a player on another team. No one lives up to Sakic, Roy, etc on the ice.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Media speaking points aren't always reality.

You see these people blogging about Barrie saying things and taking it as proof. No one actually has a clip of him saying that.

You get some student of juggling at university of phoenix online blogging Barrie knows he isn't the top defenseman in Colorado. And that's taken as evidence by a bunch of fans.

Yet in our age of recording everythingthere is not a single video or sound byte of Barrie saying this.

 

[Avenger*]

Chia was hoping he could strong arm Sakic into taking a bad deal, but Sakic isn't having any of it. And based off track records if Sakic waits long enough he'll probably get what he wants. We are talking about Chia who just traded Hall for Larsson in a laugher of a deal.

This entire thread is an example of Sakic not getting what he wants. As of recently, so was ROR, so was Shawn Matthias...

For the billionth time, the Hall trade has nothing to do with value or this discussion.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Walking away from barrie would be the stupidest thing the avs could do, unless he gets 6+ million

 

[oil slick]

Walking away from barrie would be the stupidest thing the avs could do, unless he gets 6+ million

That's kind of the whole problem, isn't it? 50 point d-men get a lot of money.

 

[Mad Brills*]

That's kind of the whole problem, isn't it? 50 point d-men get a lot of money.

I doubt he's getting an arb award of more than 6 million TBH.

 

[strictlyrandy]

This entire thread is an example of Sakic not getting what he wants. As of recently, so was ROR, so was Shawn Matthias...

For the billionth time, the Hall trade has nothing to do with value or this discussion.

Oh hey, just like for the billionth time, Roy never referred to Barrie as a 5D.

But really, it's all he said she said, believe what you want.

 

[tucker3434]

This entire thread is an example of Sakic not getting what he wants. As of recently, so was ROR, so was Shawn Matthias...

For the billionth time, the Hall trade has nothing to do with value or this discussion.

And for the billionth time, the Avs sign their good players far more often than not.

Duchene, Landeskog, Varly, EJ, MacKinnon.

You think we're crying over Shawn Matthias?

 

[The Kingslayer]

This entire thread is an example of Sakic not getting what he wants. As of recently, so was ROR, so was Shawn Matthias...

For the billionth time, the Hall trade has nothing to do with value or this discussion.

Ugh, Sakic got exactly what he felt we neeeded a young LHD which is what Zadorov is. Considering the headache he dealt with wirh newport and ROR I say the avs made out fine in that deal.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

This entire thread is an example of Sakic not getting what he wants. As of recently, so was ROR, so was Shawn Matthias...

For the billionth time, the Hall trade has nothing to do with value or this discussion.

It's almost like people can't always get what they want. No, that can't be it, it must be that Sakic is the only GM in the history of sports to trade a good player that didn't really want to be on the team anymore.

 

[AvsGuy]

You think we're crying over Shawn Matthias?

I made a scrunched up face over Matthias. He was a good player for, his stats here will be interchangeable with Colborne's, and I wish whichever party needed to flex a bit to get a deal done would've done so.

I sincerely do believe we missed out enormously on both roster players we lost to free agency, Boedker and Matthias would've been assets to this team and were both clearly affordable. I think it's been awhile since we had competent complementary players and I think we just lost 2 to add 1.

Edit: I forgot I wasn't on the Avs forum

 

[Grub]

I'm so confused these days.

Has RNH value drop so much? The kid is only 23...