McKenzie: Oilers in on Barrie? (Part II)

[McShogun99]

Barrie's point total for last season was between Subban and Seabrook and in the range of the top point getting defencemen. You better believe that Barrie is getting paid after the arbitration is over.

 

[AslanRH]

There's no way that Newport Sports isn't going to use Ekblads contract as a comparable. He'll be way higher than the 5.5-6m Avs fans are hoping for

Did Ekblad sign in time to make the comp list?

I was under the impression that list was hashed out by a certain date and certain contracts could be tossed out by both NHL and NHLPA.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

So since this is all hypothetical anyway, at what number would Colorado walk away from an arbitration award? Would they keep him if say he got $7 million? (not saying that he will fwiw) Would they just sign it and then hope to deal him albeit likely at less value than he has now?

 

[Former Ladder]

One thing I think that is lost on some is that Barrie still has 3 RFA years left so any longer-term deal he gets will drive the AAV down because of those three years.

Johnson is the best defenseman on the team and he just signed a full UFA $6M AAV x 6 years contract. While Barrie plays a different playstyle and even if they view the two players at the same overall level, it is unlikely Barrie's AAV will be higher if the Avs get a say in it because of the precedent they set last season with Johnson.

A short term deal out of arbitration will be $4.75M-$5.25M AAV ($5.5M on the highest side and would surprise me) and a long term deal of about 6 years will likely be between $5.75M-$6M AAV.

 

[tucker3434]

So since this is all hypothetical anyway, at what number would Colorado walk away from an arbitration award? Would they keep him if say he got $7 million? (not saying that he will fwiw) Would they just sign it and then hope to deal him albeit likely at less value than he has now?

There's zero chance Colorado walks away from any arb award.

There's probably only a 2% chance it gets to that point anyway.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

There's zero chance Colorado walks away from any arb award.

There's probably only a 2% chance it gets to that point anyway.

Yeah I wouldn't walk away unless the arbiter was on drugs and gave him say $10 million. In theory he could get awarded $7 million but still sign a 6X7 deal the following season with the Avs or elsewhere. Now if he wants 7X7 that might be too rich for a number of GM's blood.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Did Ekblad sign in time to make the comp list?

I was under the impression that list was hashed out by a certain date and certain contracts could be tossed out by both NHL and NHLPA.

If I'm reading the CBA correctly, the Comparables Exhibit is created by June 5, but can be updated up to 5 days before the start of hearings.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

When did EJ sign his deal? Is it really worth losing a guy like Barrie for a few hundred thousand dollars?



If he wouldn't accept that deal then odds are that he wants out. That would be a very fair offer to him IMO maybe even a slight overpay.

i agree with all of this, but it is unlikely colorado offered him that. we really have no idea what numbers have been tossed back and forth

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

When did EJ sign his deal? Is it really worth losing a guy like Barrie for a few hundred thousand dollars?



If he wouldn't accept that deal then odds are that he wants out. That would be a very fair offer to him IMO maybe even a slight overpay.

EJs new contract starts this season, and was signed in September.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Barrie's point total for last season was between Subban and Seabrook and in the range of the top point getting defencemen. You better believe that Barrie is getting paid after the arbitration is over.

Barrie SH TOI is between Dougie Hamilton and Torey Krug and in the range of the lowest in the league.

Point totals aren't the only thing that matter in arbitration.

 

[ManofSteel55]

So since this is all hypothetical anyway, at what number would Colorado walk away from an arbitration award? Would they keep him if say he got $7 million? (not saying that he will fwiw) Would they just sign it and then hope to deal him albeit likely at less value than he has now?

I doubt they walk away. More likely they accept the award and move him for whatever they can. Teams will still have interest at 7 or 7.5 million.

 

[Homesick]

One thing I think that is lost on some is that Barrie still has 3 RFA years left so any longer-term deal he gets will drive the AAV down because of those three years.

Johnson is the best defenseman on the team and he just signed a full UFA $6M AAV x 6 years contract. While Barrie plays a different playstyle and even if they view the two players at the same overall level, it is unlikely Barrie's AAV will be higher if the Avs get a say in it because of the precedent they set last season with Johnson.

A short term deal out of arbitration will be $4.75M-$5.25M AAV ($5.5M on the highest side and would surprise me) and a long term deal of about 6 years will likely be between $5.75M-$6M AAV.

Hamilton got 5.75 million last year and Barrie is better 5vs5 and on the PP. A little below on the PK.
If the Avs want to eat up his UFA years then they will be paying 6.25m at minimum. I'm guessing his agents will be hitting Ekblad hard as a comparable and rightfully so.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Hamilton got 5.75 million last year and Barrie is better 5vs5 and on the PP. A little below on the PK.
If the Avs want to eat up his UFA years then they will be paying 6.25m at minimum. I'm guessing his agents will be hitting Ekblad hard as a comparable and rightfully so.

That's assuming that Ekblad is on the list of comparables that can be used.

 

[Former Ladder]

Hamilton got 5.75 million last year and Barrie is better 5vs5 and on the PP. A little below on the PK.
If the Avs want to eat up his UFA years then they will be paying 6.25m at minimum. I'm guessing his agents will be hitting Ekblad hard as a comparable and rightfully so.

They may try but they will be dismissed soon I think. Yes, Barrie is more proven offensively with his production but Ekblad is already miles better defensively/all-around and a recent first overall pick. Florida bought on Ekblad's potential and he is probably unanimously considered more valuable than Barrie across the league both currently and in the future.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Is Barrie an Oiler yet? Are Yakupov and Letestu Avs yet?

 

[Avelanche]

Hamilton got 5.75 million last year and Barrie is better 5vs5 and on the PP. A little below on the PK.
If the Avs want to eat up his UFA years then they will be paying 6.25m at minimum. I'm guessing his agents will be hitting Ekblad hard as a comparable and rightfully so.

They probably will, but not rightfully so. Ekblad is in another league then Barrie.

 

[AvsGuy]

Yeah I wouldn't walk away unless the arbiter was on drugs and gave him say $10 million. In theory he could get awarded $7 million but still sign a 6X7 deal the following season with the Avs or elsewhere. Now if he wants 7X7 that might be too rich for a number of GM's blood.

Isn't what you just described a 7x7 deal?

 

[suddeninterest]

Based on my own opinion, I'm gonna say the Avs and Barrie are apart by around 10m for the the length of the contract. The Avs want to give him something like 7 years and 35-39M and Barrie wants 7 years and 45-49M. Or something similar to that.

 

[OutForMilk]

Most people don't understand the value we got in the ROR deal since the Avs moved out 2 NHLers and received 96 games played and 29 points from their 2 NHLers they received.

But breaking it down, the Avs turned 2 players into 6 chances at success, most of the Avs being quite valuable.

Zadorov (looks like a good bet to be a solid offensive 2/3)
Grigorenko (middle 6 playmaking center/winger with 40-45 point upside)
Compher
Greer
Morrison
6th Round Pick

Compher and Greer's upside both seem pretty good. I wouldn't even want to peg them as a particular player type since they both have the type of drive to surpass expectations.

Morrison was just drafted, so who knows. And the 6th is tbd.

If that's what happens with Barrie because he won't sign, I wouldn't complain too much. Although the situation is different since Barrie is 3 years out from being an UFA. So you're paying the Avs to get him 2 years sooner than ROR. Otherwise they can just keep him for a little while.

Saying that you got good value in the ROR deal is kind of like us saying that we got good value in the Hall deal. Optimism at its finest.

 

[tucker3434]

Saying that you got good value in the ROR deal is kind of like us saying that we got good value in the Hall deal. Optimism at its finest.

Ha, before that trade we were told we'd be lucky to get a 2nd and a b prospect for pending UFA 3rd line center.

Hilarious.

 

[TheStranger]

Saying that you got good value in the ROR deal is kind of like us saying that we got good value in the Hall deal. Optimism at its finest.

Difference being you traded your second best player for a pretty meh defenseman and Colorado got the best they could find for someone who absolutely wanted away from the team at all costs. Not even remotely similar situations.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Avs get a blue chip prospect plus for a UFA to be in ROR after being told they would get nothing substantial for him and now that return they got is meh? LOL. Never disappoint HF.

 

[AMDZen]

Saying that you got good value in the ROR deal is kind of like us saying that we got good value in the Hall deal. Optimism at its finest.

Comparing those two trades is kind of like comparing any trade, to any other trade that has ever been made. So I guess at least we got better value than the Caps for Forsberg. How about Seguin or let's go back and compare it to Selanne or even Gretzky.

Mod

 

[Bryanbryoil]

i agree with all of this, but it is unlikely colorado offered him that. we really have no idea what numbers have been tossed back and forth

Yeah I don't have a clue in terms of the numbers being floated around. No idea how close or far apart they are either.

EJs new contract starts this season, and was signed in September.

Thanks, so it's very recent. I'd definitely say that EJ is the better D between the two but what he and his agency agreed to might not be what Barrie and his agency would. It'd be very interesting to hear what each side is pushing for right now.

Is Barrie an Oiler yet? Are Yakupov and Letestu Avs yet?

Isn't what you just described a 7x7 deal?

6X7 = $6 million AAV for 7 years.

 

[OutForMilk]

Difference being you traded your second best player for a pretty meh defenseman and Colorado got the best they could find for someone who absolutely wanted away from the team at all costs. Not even remotely similar situations.

Best they could find? Problem is, the best they could find kind of sucks. In fact, they totally suck. Not a single piece that belongs on a championship caliber team, or seems to be tracking that way either. Quit trying to sugar coat it. We aren't. We hate the Hall trade. Like I said. Optimism at its finest.