McKenzie: Oilers in on Barrie? (Part II)

[Lonewolfe2015]

Most people don't understand the value we got in the ROR deal since the Avs moved out 2 NHLers and received 96 games played and 29 points from their 2 NHLers they received.

But breaking it down, the Avs turned 2 players into 6 chances at success, most of the Avs being quite valuable.

Zadorov (looks like a good bet to be a solid offensive 2/3)
Grigorenko (middle 6 playmaking center/winger with 40-45 point upside)
Compher
Greer
Morrison
6th Round Pick

Compher and Greer's upside both seem pretty good. I wouldn't even want to peg them as a particular player type since they both have the type of drive to surpass expectations.

Morrison was just drafted, so who knows. And the 6th is tbd.

If that's what happens with Barrie because he won't sign, I wouldn't complain too much. Although the situation is different since Barrie is 3 years out from being an UFA. So you're paying the Avs to get him 2 years sooner than ROR. Otherwise they can just keep him for a little while.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

A deal around sending Barrie to Edmonton makes far more sense. Just depends on what pieces Sakic would be seeking. Maybe a 3-way deal could be in order.

 

[s7ark]

I really hope Barrie gets 6M+ in arbitration.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I really hope Barrie gets 6M+ in arbitration.

Yeah it wouldn't shock me, If Barrie didn't get close to 6x6.5M or something like that.

 

[Spilot23]

I'm so confused these days.

Has RNH value drop so much? The kid is only 23...

Why would his value drop so much? Because Avs would decline a trade involving him and Barrie ? You guys need to get that we don't need another center with 6M$ cap hit, if we trade Barrie it's gonna be for defense IMO. We already have Duchene and MacKinnon at center both makes 6M$ so yeah there's no need for RNH but I don't think his value has dropped somehow

 

[EdAVSfan]

I really hope Barrie gets 6M+ in arbitration.

Why?

 

[tucker3434]

I really hope Barrie gets 6M+ in arbitration.

I bet you do. But he won't. That's long term money. For a 1 year deal, he'll get <$5.5m.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yeah it wouldn't shock me, If Barrie didn't get close to 6x6.5M or something like that.

I thought Arbitration was limited to a 1 or 2 year deal, depending on what the team picks up front? Or are you suggesting they'll sign that before arbitration is complete?

 

[s7ark]

Yeah it wouldn't shock me, If Barrie didn't get close to 6x6.5M or something like that.

I think he can only get 1 or 2 years. But 6M per wouldn't surprise me at all. Offensive d-men get paid

Why?

Because everything I have read from Avs fans says that he is an elite D-man in the league. So he deserves it

 

[Homesick]

There's no way that Newport Sports isn't going to use Ekblads contract as a comparable. He'll be way higher than the 5.5-6m Avs fans are hoping for

 

[tempest2i]

Does anyone know what contract options the Avs were offering Barrie?

 

[topshelf15]

Not sure if the Oil are still looking to add such an expensive piece right now ,the next guys that team,s will ask for .Drais,4th OA etc.Really shouldnt be moved by them

 

[Bryanbryoil]

IF he's traded I see it as a three way deal between Colorado, Edmonton and Anaheim. Anaheim needs forwards and to likely shed some salary to get Lindholm and Rakell locked up.

Something like:

To Edmonton: Barrie and Stoner
To Colorado: Fowler
To Anaheim: Yakupov, 2017 1st

Colorado gets a solid defenseman for cheaper than what Barrie will cost, Anaheim gains $5 million in cap space while adding a couple of young assets and Edmonton gets the 2nd pairing RH offensive defenseman that they covet.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I think he can only get 1 or 2 years. But 6M per wouldn't surprise me at all. Offensive d-men get paid



Because everything I have read from Avs fans says that he is an elite D-man in the league. So he deserves it

Barrie is not really an elite D. He has elite offensive skills, but overall, he's best suited for the 2nd pairing.

 

[TOGuy14]

Will be an interesting arbitration amount.

He has put up a lot of points, and the people around him (points wise) make some big money.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Barrie is not really an elite D. He has elite offensive skills, but overall, he's best suited for the 2nd pairing.

He's an elite offensive defenseman. I remember watching him in the AHL during the lockout and I was thoroughly impressed with him. Justin Schultz tore the AHL a new one that season but never progressed, Barrie showed some incredible skill against OKC and was the only D that I saw that was as dynamic as Schultz was at that level.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Will be an interesting arbitration amount.

He has put up a lot of points, and the people around him (points wise) make some big money.

If Colorado gets him for under $6 million they're doing well for themselves IMO.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

If Colorado gets him for under $6 million they're doing well for themselves IMO.

Arbitration awards being such short term are usually a bit more conservative for higher end players. When locking down star players teams tend to have to pay for future success up front with a higher cap hit.

Barrie between 5-6mil for the next 2 years is appropriate. Barrie for the next 5+ years around 6-6.3mil* is appropriate.

*6.3mil is what MacKinnon signed for, so Avs won't go beyond that.

 

[Homesick]

I bet you do. But he won't. That's long term money. For a 1 year deal, he'll get <$5.5m.

Short term is usually for more money

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Arbitration awards being such short term are usually a bit more conservative for higher end players. When locking down star players teams tend to have to pay for future success up front with a higher cap hit.

Barrie between 5-6mil for the next 2 years is appropriate. Barrie for the next 5+ years around 6-6.3mil* is appropriate.

*6.3mil is what MacKinnon signed for, so Avs won't go beyond that.

Unless Barrie surpasses expectations and becomes the Avs 1D, I doubt the Avs will give Barrie more than they gave EJ, even on a long term deal.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Unless Barrie surpasses expectations and becomes the Avs 1D, I doubt the Avs will give Barrie more than they gave EJ, even on a long term deal.

I doubt it too, I'm putting the higher end numbers in there though. If Barrie got 6.3mil long term (7 or 8 years), I'd consider it adequate. If he got 6mil for 5 years, that's probably a sweet spot. But the Avs tend to get a bit of value out of their deals or let the player go, so I still think around 5.5mil long term is Barrie's Avalanche value.

Whether he and Newport let that happen is another story.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

id easily give barrie mackinnon's exact contract today.

 

[tucker3434]

Short term is usually for more money

Not when you're buying RFA years.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Arbitration awards being such short term are usually a bit more conservative for higher end players. When locking down star players teams tend to have to pay for future success up front with a higher cap hit.

Barrie between 5-6mil for the next 2 years is appropriate. Barrie for the next 5+ years around 6-6.3mil* is appropriate.

*6.3mil is what MacKinnon signed for, so Avs won't go beyond that.

Hypothetically they get him for $5 million for the next 2 years, unless he flat out wants out it makes no sense for them to deal him IMO. That said I still think that he could get $6 million as an arbitration ruling.

Defensemen that have outscored Barrie over the last 2 seasons:

Subban $9 million
Karlsson $6.5 million
Letang $7.25 million
Josi $4 million (what a steal)
Burns $5.76 million (will get PAID on his next deal)
Giordano $6.75 million

Other offensive defensemen:

Mike Green $6 million
Yandle $6.35 million
Hamilton $5.5 million

Now obviously not all of them were RFA's when their deals were signed but even in arbitration I don't see him getting less than $5.5 million.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Unless Barrie surpasses expectations and becomes the Avs 1D, I doubt the Avs will give Barrie more than they gave EJ, even on a long term deal.

When did EJ sign his deal? Is it really worth losing a guy like Barrie for a few hundred thousand dollars?

id easily give barrie mackinnon's exact contract today.

If he wouldn't accept that deal then odds are that he wants out. That would be a very fair offer to him IMO maybe even a slight overpay.