Drij
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McKenzie: Oilers in on Barrie? (Part II)
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Since you guys seem to have been around every conversation taking place at managerial meetings I thought I would ask you?
Frei "covers" the team, but I can't remember the last time he broke a story or really offered much deeper insight than what you would find on the HFAvs board. I'm sure as a source he would qualify as a secondary source for someone since he is a credentialed media member.
You really can just do a little Google searching (or even just searching these boards) and trace the timeline of Frei's original comment and the subsequent trickle down effect that occurred.
I'm not sure why some people want this #5 business to be so true. If Barrie is a #5 on the Avs, he really can't be that good of a player.
That's not how arbitration works. Once the dollar amount is determined Colorado can decide if it's a one or two year term.
Except it is because Barrie will still be a RFA after Colorado choose the two years term. Then they can do it again and Barrie will have to take another 1 year term at the minimum. This is just a matter of the player wanting too much money, they had no issue signing MacKinnon to a fair contract.
strictlyrandy
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Link to this "crap offer"?? Barrie isn't fetching anything close to that crap offer IMO.. keep dreaming Avs fans.
Yakupov Pouloit AND a 1st
Ryan O'Reilly was a year from UFA and returned a far superior package. Tyson Barrie has 3 years of RFA status. He'd return much much more.
I don't think it fans wanting it to be true as it is the media won't let it die . Also what will the AVS do if he awarded 7 million and Grigs is awarded 3 million with only 7.7 million in cap space ? Do they trade Barrie ? Do they walk away from Grigs and sign Barrie while being up against the cap ?
Here,s a little write up about this . Of course it Edmonton's media so who knows .
http://oilonwhyte.com/2016/07/12/edmonton-oilers-an-update-on-tyson-barrie/
Why would we worry about that when there is zero chance of it happening?
Neither of them have comparable contracts in the NHL that would bring their contracts to that level. UFA deals are not able to be used as well.
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The article is terribly written by someone who clearly has no understanding.
The mere fact that she states that the Sakic may "walk away" from the award and let Barrie become a free agent just goes to show the level of understanding she has.
And I can guarantee you that Barrie and grigorenko are not walking out of arbitration with 10M dollars. That's absurd.
How is Barrie going to justify 7M on a 1 or 2 year deal when Krug just signed a bit over 5 for multiple years.
How is grigs going to justify 3M with a 6 goal, 27 point season? Who are the comparables?
Newport is likely going to use Doughty and Pietrangelo as comparables in arbitration. Those boys are making big money in RFA years.
ManofSteel55
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It I'm the arbitrator, I laugh at those comparables. Far more complete game from those 2 guys. Krug is the better comparable.
I'm not saying that Barrie will get $7 million but he will get more then Krug with two back to back 50 point seasons. I think $6-6.5 million is likely though.
I'd be very interested to see how the Avs would argue that point in front of the arbitrator. A cursory glance at Barrie's standard stats compares nicely with both guys.
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I don't.
Barrie averages 47.5 pts a season.
Krug averages 42.5 points per season.
Krug is at 5.25.
There's no reason for an rbitrator to award an extra million for what amounts to less than 10 points per year.
Also, Krug has 2 UFA years being bought. Barrie's would have none.
If expect something in the mid to high 5s
IWantSakicAsMyGM
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The easy way for the Avs to dispute both of those guys as comparables is to point to the officially kept SH TOI stat. Pietrangelo and Doughty both play about 3 minutes per game shorthanded. Barrie averages 30 seconds per game.
Doughty and Pietrangelo also average the most TOI of any player on their teams. Barrie is 3rd on the Avs, behind EJ and Beauchemin.
Hard to use Doughty and Pietrangelo as comparables, when you look at the overall importance to the success of the team.
ManofSteel55
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Yeah, I'm not 100% certain on what stats can and can not be argued to an arbitrator, and what other things can be used as well. Barrie is certainly a very good offensive d-man, but there has to be a way that they can show that he isn't comparable in his all around game.
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Arbitration is far more detailed than just looking at stats.
Those two guys are unquestionably #1 defenders who play in all situations. Stanley cups, Olympic gold medals, Norris trophy nominations and votes.
Why would they be a better comparison than Krug, vatanen, leddy, or Hamilton.
Each one is under 6 million DESPITE the fact that they all have UFA years purchased with their new deals.
Why would we trade Barrie for a 3rd line center?
And of course, he's not a 3rd line center, but on the Avs he would be.
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Except it is because Barrie will still be a RFA after Colorado choose the two years term. Then they can do it again and Barrie will have to take another 1 year term at the minimum. This is just a matter of the player wanting too much money, they had no issue signing MacKinnon to a fair contract.
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Are you sure that's how it works? I could be wrong, but when I read the CBA a while back, I thought the way I interpreted it was that the party who the arbitration was brought against (the Avalanche in this case as Barrie chose to go to arbitration), has to decide in it's "brief" if it is 1 or 2 years, which sent to the arbitrator before the arbitration begins. If they fail to do so in the brief, it's automatically 1 year.
I don't think they get to wait til the financial decision, I think they have to decide up front.
Just no. There is a reason why a deal has yet to get done even though its been discussed for multiple weeks now.
There is only one player on the Edmonton roster that makes sense to the Avs management to move a 50pts dman, and that player is Draisaitl.
The Avs want a controlled asset that they can have for a long time. Eberle would also fit the need of winger, but he is not a controlled asset is already making 6M and will be a UFA at the end of his deal. There is no interest in Yakupov as his value is in the toilet at the moment.
This is the reason why we have not seen Barrie moved to Edmonton yet. The Avs are asking for Draisatil and Edmonton doesn't want to move him. Edmonton is trying everything in their power to trade other pieces, but Sakic isn't budging from his asking price. And he should stay firm on that price for the time being.
Chia was hoping he could strong arm Sakic into taking a bad deal, but Sakic isn't having any of it. And based off track records if Sakic waits long enough he'll probably get what he wants. We are talking about Chia who just traded Hall for Larsson in a laugher of a deal.
