McKenzie: Oilers in on Barrie? (Part II)

[Bryanbryoil]

July 29th

Thanks, one way or another it'll be nice when this is all said and done.

 

[UnicornONtheCOBB]

The Avs need him, I can't see him going anywhere unless another #2/3 dman is coming back.

 

[AMDZen]

Explain to me how it went from Frei's personal opinion to it being quoted as something that Roy said himself?

Isn't this a question you need to ask yourself? You and other Oilers fans who made the leap.

 

[Roof Daddy]

Isn't this a question you need to ask yourself? You and other Oilers fans who made the leap.

I think those people really do need to go back to the article/quote, read it, then see if they still think Frei's speculation is remotely plausible.

I remember when this speculation first arose, I got really excited as an Oiler fan (because I'm a big fan of Barrie's game). Then an Avs fan posted a link to the quote. After reading it, it was abundantly clear that there was nothing to the speculation - it was all Frei's creation without the slightest substance.

I really don't see why some posters are struggling to grasp this. Frei speculated Roy might view Barrie as a #5, based on speculation Roy wants a bigger D corps. Speculating on speculation.

Then we have the fact that Roy played Barrie 23 minutes a night, and played him the most among Avs D at even strength. Sounds like a 2/3 to me.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Edmonton Oilers: An Update on Tyson Barrie
http://oilonwhyte.com/2016/07/12/edmonton-oilers-an-update-on-tyson-barrie/

"General Manager Joe Sakic has referred to Barrie as a number five defenseman."

 

[SuperJoe]

Edmonton Oilers: An Update on Tyson Barrie
http://oilonwhyte.com/2016/07/12/edmonton-oilers-an-update-on-tyson-barrie/

"General Manager Joe Sakic has referred to Barrie as a number five defenseman."

That blogger is a clueless moron

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

Edmonton Oilers: An Update on Tyson Barrie
http://oilonwhyte.com/2016/07/12/edmonton-oilers-an-update-on-tyson-barrie/

"General Manager Joe Sakic has referred to Barrie as a number five defenseman."

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Edmonton Oilers: An Update on Tyson Barrie
http://oilonwhyte.com/2016/07/12/edmonton-oilers-an-update-on-tyson-barrie/

"General Manager Joe Sakic has referred to Barrie as a number five defenseman."

Random Edmonton writer going to school in Maryland claims Sakic said something without providing any direct quotes, so it must be true, right? I'm sure she's got insider info that no one in Denver has.

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

I like how its changed from Roy said to Sakic said

 

[strictlyrandy]

Random Edmonton writer going to school in Maryland claims Sakic said something without providing any direct quotes, so it must be true, right? I'm sure she's got insider info that no one in Denver has.

It's really just he said/she said. Believe what you want.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

It's really just he said/she said. Believe what you want.

Now that we have a female writer making stuff up, I guess it is now technically he said/she said.

 

[falconski]

I like how its changed from Roy said to Sakic said

I'm waiting for it to become "Barrie said he's a number 5 defenseman"

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I'm waiting for it to become "Barrie said he's a number 5 defenseman"

Len Barrie thinks his son is a 5D.

 

[chet1926]

Edmonton Oilers: An Update on Tyson Barrie
http://oilonwhyte.com/2016/07/12/edmonton-oilers-an-update-on-tyson-barrie/

"General Manager Joe Sakic has referred to Barrie as a number five defenseman."

Lol. Sakic has never said such thing. How can writers get away with such bad misinformation? There is a good reason why Barrie hasn't been traded to EDM for their crap offer of Yakupov, Pouloit and a 1st.

If Sakic/Roy thought Barrie was a #5 dman they probably would have pulled the trigger on the above mentioned offer. But since they clearly know Barrie is much more than a #5, they'll hold out until they get the offer they want.

 

[LTIR]

Lol. Sakic has never said such thing. How can writers get away with such bad misinformation? There is a good reason why Barrie hasn't been traded to EDM for their crap offer of Yakupov, Pouloit and a 1st.

If Sakic/Ro
y thought Barrie was a #5 dman they probably would have pulled the trigger on the above mentioned offer. But since they clearly know Barrie is much more than a #5, they'll hold out until they get the offer they want.

Link to this "crap offer"?? Barrie isn't fetching anything close to that crap offer IMO.. keep dreaming Avs fans.
Yakupov Pouloit AND a 1st

 

[dahrougem2]

Len Barrie thinks his son is a 5D.

this made me chuckle

 

[snipes]

Lol. Sakic has never said such thing. How can writers get away with such bad misinformation? There is a good reason why Barrie hasn't been traded to EDM for their crap offer of Yakupov, Pouloit and a 1st.

If Sakic/Roy thought Barrie was a #5 dman they probably would have pulled the trigger on the above mentioned offer. But since they clearly know Barrie is much more than a #5, they'll hold out until they get the offer they want.

Agreed.

I'm an Oilers fan and I think that the whole "#5 Dman" is a load of crap. I don't think either Sakic or Roy uttered such a thing. Frei was just running his mouth on low budget television, that's all.

The Barrie ship has sailed. COL will lock him up to term and it's the right thing for them to do.

 

[smackdaddy]

Arbitration is like putting two friends into the octagon and telling them winner takes all.

I bet Sakic will say worse things in the hearing. No fun for anyone. Why the Avs insist on taking all their players this route is beyond me.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

Arbitration is like putting two friends into the octagon and telling them winner takes all.

I bet Sakic will say worse things in the hearing. No fun for anyone. Why the Avs insist on taking all their players this route is beyond me.

All their players, huh? You mean just O'Reilly? And they never got to arbitration.

They've locked up Duchene, Landy, Varly, EJ, and MacKinnon to long term deals with no issues whatsoever.

 

[chet1926]

Arbitration is like putting two friends into the octagon and telling them winner takes all.

I bet Sakic will say worse things in the hearing. No fun for anyone. Why the Avs insist on taking all their players this route is beyond me.

Another misinformed outsider. We've had two problem children in ROR and Barrie. We've been able to sign all of our top guys like Duchene, Landeskog, EJ, Varly to long term deals no issues.

The only difference between those guys and ROR and Barrie is they are both represented by the sleaze of the Earth known as Newport. Newport pushed the Avs around with the ROR situation by having him hold out and sign and offer sheet because they thought he deserved a huge payday for one productive season. Then they forced their way into a contract situation that brought ROR straight to UFA because they refused to sign anything under 8M long term to stay on the Avs.

This time around the Avs stood their ground on a one dimensional offensive dman, and the dumbasses over at Newport over-played their hand. Because now they are in a situation where they can't secure a contract that takes Barrie to UFA, the Avs have lots of good new comps that have come in recently in the 5-5.5M range like Krug's new contract which is much lower than what his probable demands were, the Avs have no incentive to offer a long term deal unless it's to their liking because even at two years awarded in arbitration he'll still be a RFA after it. The Avs have all the power at the moment. This situation was handled properly. Newport wanted over-payment, we wanted a fair team oriented deal, in the end the Avs will most likely come out on top of this.

 

[taunting canadian]

Arbitration is like putting two friends into the octagon and telling them winner takes all.

I bet Sakic will say worse things in the hearing. No fun for anyone. Why the Avs insist on taking all their players this route is beyond me.

Most of the time, arbitration is avoided, usually at the last possible instant, see for instance last year

It's best for both sides to reach a deal before the arb hearing, player agents know that their leverage is maximized right before the hearing, because teams don't really want to go through that contentious process, so they usually hold off on signing deals early, but something will likely get done before it comes to a hearing. I'd say in order of likelihood:

1. A deal is signed right before the hearing. (very likely)
2. A deal is signed soon (pretty unlikely)
3. Traded before (pretty unlikely)
4. Signed to arbitration award after going through a hearing (pretty unlikely)
5. Team walks away from arbitration award (I can't see this happening at all, but technically it's possible)

 

[tucker3434]

Edmonton Oilers: An Update on Tyson Barrie
http://oilonwhyte.com/2016/07/12/edmonton-oilers-an-update-on-tyson-barrie/

"General Manager Joe Sakic has referred to Barrie as a number five defenseman."

Now we only have to choose between a $1m and a $6m player because we only have $8.3m in cap.

I believe these are the dreams of a wishful oilers fan. Barrie has literally nothing to do with Grigorenko.

 

[Avenger*]

So, you don't believe one of the tenets of our judicial system because lies and money fuel policy, but you take a hack journalist's opinion as evidence that Roy might have said something? Because no journalist has ever made things up to try to drive traffic to his site to increase revenue, right?

Well, yestersay Bob Stauffer stated that his source of this quote was from a secondary party, not a third one so if Frei has no connection to the team like several av's fans have stated that would mean his information is from someone within the organization. So now I question if you guys truely know what you are talking about as despite Bob being a homer is well connected within hockey.

 

[MikeAvsPats]

I just want all these "rumours" to stop already. Canadian media is drumming up something that isn't there to be found. Barrie will stay with the Avalanche for at least the next 3 years.

LOL to the EDM fan who thought that CRAP offer of Yakupov, Pouliot and a 1st wasn't a "crap offer". This just in, it is.

 

[Avenger*]

And, in Chicago or Nashville, Barrie is also a 4D. Most teams, he's a 2/3. But, apparently, he's really just a 5D because one hack journalist expressed his opinion.

And, apparently every player in Colorado now hates the organization and is trying to get traded because of a one off situation where the previous front office tried to play hardball with a stubborn/proud RFA and it led to that player getting traded several years later.

And, apparently the Avs front office is cheap and unwilling to pay anyone, because they refused to give ROR $8m a year and decided to trade him for a good package of futures.

We're also apparently assuming that every RFA who elected for arbitration is going to actually have a hearing, even though 22 of 23 arbitration filings last year never actually reached a hearing.

Not sure why you are quoting me on this when I never stated a single one of those things. If you have issues then dispute it with the person making the claim. The only one relevant to what I was discussing was the legitimacy of Barrie being a #5 quote.