Speculation: Offseason Thread XVII: Trade a spade for a jade

[RangerBoy]

Apparently Elliotte Friedman was on the NHL Network on Thursday night. He said Gorton has his hands in everything but he does not know if Gorton will be able to make a deal. I read it on twitter. The NHL Network posts videos of their segments on NHL.COM but I haven't found it. It's no secret Jeff is trying to make changes. He is still trying but this is not usually a busy time for trades.

 

[Irishguy42]

Gorton said he has a teenage son who is active on social media. They asked Gorton if he was aware of the Vesey stuff on twitter and he said his son was keeping informed. His son probably reads everything associated with the Rangers including this place.

Of COURSE!

All this time, we thought you were actually Jeff Gorton.

But no, it's obvious. You're his son!

How foolish of us.

 

[Mikos87]

And we know those rarely work out for all three teams involved.

They rarely happen, the Cap's made it even more tougher. Although I can see some of the newer GM's trying to navigate the cap and assets in a three way at some point.

Like a Rob Scuderi type of situation where 3 teams take a piece of his salary and dilute the cap hit.

Could see that with Girardi if things get real bad.

Here's the trade that makes us better short term and long term while being realistic

Zucc and Skjei for Trouba and a solid prospect or 2nd round pick.

We have plenty on the left side and Ryan Graves will be pushing for a spot sooner than later.

We've got plenty of skilled wingers that need to play.

What we don't have? Prospects in the system and a top righty D man to grow with this core.

I like Skjei and Zucc as much as the next guy but trouba and a higher end pick make us better now and down the road. Good deal for both teams

I don't move Skjei. Skaters like him are not that common. Keep the guy that's going to give you a cheap 6-8 year prime.

Trouba is a guy that anchors a defense like that but at an even greater level. Gotta give to get but I don't see WPG trading him.

Staal for Myers makes sense. Thunder Bay isn't too far either. But who would waive a NMC to go from NYC to WPG? Not many.

They just roll though the playoffs every year with their wingers.

Hah! True. Laine and Connor though will be their rookies. WPG is a team with a lot of crappy One-Way deals. Like 8 that are just liabilties.

Many of them are buriable and on short term, so if there's a way to make a deal with WPG it's to swap the SPC's that are two-way vs one-way under $950k or a even that $1.55M deal surrounding the center pieces.

Thornton is signed for one more season. Doug Wilson may prefer to go in a different direction. He tried to trade Thornton after San Jose blew a 3-0 lead to LA in 2014. Thornton and Nash share the same agent. Thornton's brother.

All the more reason that could be Nash's preferred destination. Thornton finished the year like a beast. Deboer and Thornton came to an accord. Joe was one of the better players in the league after Decemeber.

Nash is Joe's boy. SJ has some interesting pieces, but nothing sexy.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Jeff Gorton with an alias wouldn't last one week at this place.

Revel, BBKers is definitely vetted and very credible. He shouldn't have to explain himself ever, that will direct attention on him and subsequently his sources.

I'm proudly an agent of misinformation. You're right Ola, I think it just comes down ignoring the posts in which you think are hooey, like most ignore mine. I think this forum should quietly build an equipment manager version of the illuminati. My problem is that the intestinal issue reports are always too vague.

My source
http://workbench.cadenhead.org/media/ron-duguay-poster.jpg

 

[RangerBoy]

Of COURSE!

All this time, we thought you were actually Jeff Gorton.

But no, it's obvious. You're his son!

How foolish of us.

There is someone with twitter handle Mike Gorton but Jeff does not have a son named Mike. The bio on the Rangers website says Gorton has two sons. No Mike.

 

[Krams]

Of COURSE!

All this time, we thought you were actually Jeff Gorton.

But no, it's obvious. You're his son!

How foolish of us.

I was pretty sure he was Brooksie tbh

 

[wafflepadsave]

I don't think it's being vague for the sake of being vague just no one gets a full finished deal as a rumor as nice and tighty as that sounds.

If I hear player X is coming and I ask when or for who and sources says not sure yet but it's happening. Wouldn't you rather me tell you guys that than talk about Jesper Fasts advanced analytics another day?

Thanks for your posts and I would rather hear the news. It's as you say, nobody can possibly tell what a finished deal will look like because it's not finished!

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I think we are all desperate for every last scrap because of how tight lipped the NYR have been this Summer.

I don't buy into every "insider" out there and REALLY dislike the chest pounding BUT I believe everyone has a right to share whatever they want. If it's real, if it's BS, that's for individuals and the community to decide.

 

[TheGuarantee]

The obsession with information is hilarious these days. If something happens it'll happen. Simple as that. Enjoy the rest of summer, go outside, get away from a computer

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think we are all desperate for every last scrap because of how tight lipped the NYR have been this Summer.

I don't buy into every "insider" out there and REALLY dislike the chest pounding BUT I believe everyone has a right to share whatever they want. If it's real, if it's BS, that's for individuals and the community to decide.

I'd rather be in the dark about a Vesey than be in the know on a Voros!!!

 

[wafflepadsave]

Nobody understands the concept that WPG has no need for more wingers. No matter how many times it's been said here and by their fans.

I would love to be wrong on this one but I don't see us as trading partners with them.

No kidding! I would lean towards a 2nd line center or goalkeeper

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I'd rather be in the dark about a Vesey than be in the know on a Voros!!!

Haha I think we can all agree on that!

Long live the PlayStation Line

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Honka and Niemi for Nash and McIlrath?

Too much?

Disclaimer: the ass that I pulled this out from is not vetted

 

[RangerBoy]

Some of these teams are crazy. The Wings are one of the teams which refuses take a step back. I can understand their philosophy moving into a new building next season. Signing Adelkaeder and Helm to long term extensions. Signing 32 year old Frans Nielsen 6 years and $31.5M. They gave DeKeyser $5M. That is crazy stuff.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Some of these teams are crazy. The Wings are one of the teams which refuses take a step back. I can understand their philosophy moving into a new building next season. Signing Adelkaeder and Helm to long term extensions. Signing 32 year old Frans Nielsen 6 years and $31.5M. They gave DeKeyser $5M. That is crazy stuff.

Yep. The Red Wings have some serious dark times ahead. I see them finishing last in the not too distant future, although Mrazek looks like he'll be quite the goalie.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I'm proudly an agent of misinformation. You're right Ola, I think it just comes down ignoring the posts in which you think are hooey, like most ignore mine. I think this forum should quietly build an equipment manager version of the illuminati. My problem is that the intestinal issue reports are always too vague.

My source
http://workbench.cadenhead.org/media/ron-duguay-poster.jpg

Dude that was funny! I 'd like to nominate you for post of the week and see where it goes from there.

 

[wafflepadsave]

There is someone with twitter handle Mike Gorton but Jeff does not have a son named Mike. The bio on the Rangers website says Gorton has two sons. No Mike.

Does he have a son named Bern?

 

[NYR Viper]

Zuccarello makes the most sense in terms of returning assets. Trade Nash at the deadline for a maximized return. Find a young RD in return for Zuccarello ala the Zibanejad trade.

I still think SJ, ANA and Edmonton are still open for business. I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota were trying to make deals as well. Dumba has come up in the past. Jeremy Roy, Mirco Mueller from SJ. Theodore, Manson, Vatanen from Anaheim.

Would Detroit trade Tatar or Mantha + for Zuccarello? Try and snag one of their young defensemen. Ouellete, Sproul, I know there are others but am too lazy to look them up.

There are opportunities for Gorton to continue this trend of getting younger.

 

[EpicDing]

Zuccarello makes the most sense in terms of returning assets. Trade Nash at the deadline for a maximized return. Find a young RD in return for Zuccarello ala the Zibanejad trade.

I still think SJ, ANA and Edmonton are still open for business. I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota were trying to make deals as well. Dumba has come up in the past. Jeremy Roy, Mirco Mueller from SJ. Theodore, Manson, Vatanen from Anaheim.

Would Detroit trade Tatar or Mantha + for Zuccarello? Try and snag one of their young defensemen. Ouellete, Sproul, I know there are others but am too lazy to look them up.

There are opportunities for Gorton to continue this trend of getting younger.

I don't trade Zucc for anything short of a great young PMRHD. He's too important to the team to move for anyhring else IMO. Nash, on the other hand, I would do for a forward or another less needed position.

 

[Fitzy]

Zucc was 38th in the league in scoring last year, is on a sweetheart deal, and is in his prime. It better be a huge return if we trade him.

I like Zucc a lot but his playoff performances have been concerning. I think he'd be devastated if he was dealt, and I'm a little surprised he doesnt have a NTC.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

Zucc was 38th in the league in scoring last year, is on a sweetheart deal, and is in his prime. It better be a huge return if we trade him.

I like Zucc a lot but his playoff performances have been concerning. I think he'd be devastated if he was dealt, and I'm a little surprised he doesnt have a NTC.

Only way I'd really be ok with trading Zucc is for a massive overpayment.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I would trade Zucc for a young RHD ready to break out.

That's about it. Zucc for Dumba+ makes sense. Minnesota needs skill up front.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Zuccarello makes the most sense in terms of returning assets. Trade Nash at the deadline for a maximized return. Find a young RD in return for Zuccarello ala the Zibanejad trade.

I still think SJ, ANA and Edmonton are still open for business. I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota were trying to make deals as well. Dumba has come up in the past. Jeremy Roy, Mirco Mueller from SJ. Theodore, Manson, Vatanen from Anaheim.

Would Detroit trade Tatar or Mantha + for Zuccarello? Try and snag one of their young defensemen. Ouellete, Sproul, I know there are others but am too lazy to look them up.

There are opportunities for Gorton to continue this trend of getting younger.

Zucc now (a la the Brass deal) and then Nash at the deadline makes a ton of sense.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Zuccarello makes the most sense in terms of returning assets. Trade Nash at the deadline for a maximized return. Find a young RD in return for Zuccarello ala the Zibanejad trade.

I still think SJ, ANA and Edmonton are still open for business. I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota were trying to make deals as well. Dumba has come up in the past. Jeremy Roy, Mirco Mueller from SJ. Theodore, Manson, Vatanen from Anaheim.

Would Detroit trade Tatar or Mantha + for Zuccarello? Try and snag one of their young defensemen. Ouellete, Sproul, I know there are others but am too lazy to look them up.

There are opportunities for Gorton to continue this trend of getting younger.

Viper , did you see Dagoon's last tweet?

 

[wafflepadsave]

Zucc was 38th in the league in scoring last year, is on a sweetheart deal, and is in his prime. It better be a huge return if we trade him.

I like Zucc a lot but his playoff performances have been concerning. I think he'd be devastated if he was dealt, and I'm a little surprised he doesnt have a NTC.

Wondering if Ottawa has any interest?