Speculation: Offseason Thread XVII: Trade a spade for a jade

[NYR Viper]

Viper , did you see Dagoon's last tweet?

I didn't what's he saying? On the road

 

[Fitzy]

The NHL proven young RHD defensemen who might fit the bill include the aforementioned Dumba, as well as Cody Ceci and Colton Parayko.

Parayko has a lower offensive ceiling but IMO has the makings of an All Star level blueliner.

 

[Avery16]

Is that really necessary?

I think this is getting out of hand. Over the last decade I have met so many posters at this place that are tremendous resources, everything from people working for NHL teams to agents to parents to young players to reporters. Some have shared info directly on the board. Like 95% ends up being chased of the boards.

Why, why why why, does so many posters feel that they have a god given right to request that everything they read at this place is 100% confirmed? Why are they allowed to chase someone of the board just because the info it self -- like a rumor -- isn't liked by the poster?

If anyone drops any info at this place -- he will instantly be attacked by 20 posters. Why is that allowed? I definitely suggest that the people in charge of this place should consider if posters shall have a carte blanche to attack people providing insider information? I wonder if it wouldn't be a much better order if it was banned to challenge someone's credibility. If someone have any objections, it should go through the mods. Making up rumors should not be allowed, but I think sooner rather than later it would be pretty easy to spot who is a kid making stuff up and who isn't without even demanding vetting process. Like you and I who have been around for so long should pretty easily be able to spot what looks ok and what looks so fishy that we should require some kind of vetting.

Yes I have seen the other side, the old Canoe boards with 99ish% content consisting of people making up rumors. That's not good either, but this is getting absurd from another perspective. I do definitely feel that it's reasonable to request that some posters just skip posts that they don't like, they shouldn't be allowed to set the bar for everyone else. Like you know, they cannot know how "legit" some info is? Well can you when listening to Dreger? When reading any paper? No of course not. It's like New York Times has a really low standard in relation to what is requested by some posters at this place. What is that??

Sorry for the rant Kill, not directed at you! Just feels this is getting out of hand.

I agree with a lot of this, but its not as easy as ignoring posts from someone making up rumors. If someone comes on here and says 'Nash to Anaheim, SOON, I KNOW' then the whole board discussion shifts, for days, sometimes around pure fantasy. You'd have to ignore everyone if you don't believe the rumor. Its a basic readability issue. I don't think theres anything wrong with a vetting process.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Dagoon said we're trying to add speed and youth but not for more than 4M. Pretty much confirms and coincides with Gorton wanting to add NHL-ready RFAs on their first or second contract. He wants NHL players, not prospects

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Viper , did you see Dagoon's last tweet?

Yes, but I wish he would use some punctuation. His tweets are hard to decipher.

 

[member 116805]

Yes, but I wish he would use some punctuation. His tweets are hard to decipher.

Ive read that 10 + times and still have no idea what it's supposed to mean..

 

[we want cup]

I would trade Zucc for a young RHD ready to break out.

That's about it. Zucc for Dumba+ makes sense. Minnesota needs skill up front.

My issue with moving Zucc is that we also need skill up front. Zucc is the only playmaker we have in the top 6 now that Brass is gone.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Ive read that 10 + times and still have no idea what it's supposed to mean..

Haha

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

My issue with moving Zucc is that we also need skill up front. Zucc is the only playmaker we have in the top 6 now that Brass is gone.

If you move him, Buch probably slots into his place and Buch is a playmaker. Also, not sure where you get that Brass and Zucc were the only playmakers. If anything, this team has badly needed shooters. Stepan is a playmaker first and foremost, as are Hayes and Fast. Nash is an underrated passer, as IMO is Miller (when he's not making his occasional boneheaded pass to the other team). The only real shoot-first player we had prior to the Brass deal was Kreider. We've now added Zibanejad, Vesey, and Pirri as shooters (but as I said, also Buch). They have a much better mix now. Trading Zucc for a defenseman, prospects, picks, etc. would be a great move.

 

[Idlerlee]

Zucc was 38th in the league in scoring last year, is on a sweetheart deal, and is in his prime. It better be a huge return if we trade him.

I like Zucc a lot but his playoff performances have been concerning. I think he'd be devastated if he was dealt, and I'm a little surprised he doesnt have a NTC.

Hasnt he been good (good, not lights out amazing) in the playoffs for the Rangers? Last season he did have a bad series against the Pens, along with most of the roster.

I'm worried that the team will go after shattenkirk with Zucc as bait.

If the consensus is that the player will actually sign here next year (assuming there is some type of agreement), and the team is not in win-mode this year. We are essentially giving away one of the most valuable assets the team has for no reason at all.

Less important: Being a Zucc fanboy, I'd feel a little bad if we traded him to a middling or bad team in a low-scale market. A bit of a slap in the face.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Dagoon said that he hates even hearing Zucc's name and that he's the heartbeat of the team. I agree, but it's tough to not be enticed about a similar trade as the Brassard deal

 

[Irishguy42]

As long as the return is pretty good for Zucc, I don't mind trading him. Would hate to see him go, like I did with Brass, but it's a business.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I'd MUCH rather trade the older and more expensive Nash and his 7.8 cap hit than Zucc.

 

[Mac n Gs]

If Zucc gets you a RHD on the same upward trend as Zibanejad than we should do it.

 

[Placid]

...and I'm a little surprised he doesnt have a NTC.

He got an NTC the first year, to give him some calm, then just a normal contract the remaining 3 years. His reasoning was "its up to me to earn the spot and make them want to keep me here".

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If Zucc gets you a RHD on the same upward trend as Zibanejad than we should do it.

Zuccarello for Theodore/Trouba would be amazing. I just don't see it happening because Anaheim has no money and Winnipeg doesn't need wingers

 

[E-Train]

If Zucc gets you a RHD on the same upward trend as Zibanejad than we should do it.

Would be tough but you'd have to do it for the right RHD.

 

[Irishguy42]

I'd MUCH rather trade the older and more expensive Nash and his 7.8 cap hit than Zucc.

For sure, but Zucc has the higher trade value, and doesn't have a trade clause on his contract.

So...if he can garner a pretty solid return, I'd do it.

I honestly think Nash will be a TDL deal, where his value has hopefully increased.

But Zucc has tremendous value right now. It sucks that he could be traded, but if I had to pick between trading Nash and getting pennies on the dollar, or trading Zucc and getting a great return (good young Dman/something like Brass deal)...

...I'd trade Zucc and hope for the best with Nash.

 

[Mac n Gs]

We also wouldn't have to retain on Zucc's contract or add an extra asset to move Nash's salary

 

[Ghost of jas]

If these teams want Zucc, if I'm Gorton, I'm telling they can if they can find a way to return us Trouba.

 

[kovazub94]

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I mean, we have pretty well defined rules for everything else, right? Why not this (vetting)?

I'm pretty sure such rules do exist however it would be pretty difficult to fully define them in a legal style contract language. There is likely a "compensating" control there the decision is based on the opinion of the absolute or at least substantial majority of the group of decision makers. If you had to guess, surely a pizza delivery type wouldn't pass. Also our posters are not members and likely can't directly be connected to the inner circle. Pretty much everything else in between is where the connection exist. It could be someone familiar with a member of the "second tier" in position to overhear or work on some aspects of what the organization could be pursuing. Then there are those somehow connected to players, there agents, NHL insiders etc.

What people need to remember is that essentially only one person in organization who can decide if a trade is happening. Everything else (95% of total) is what never realizes.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I didn't what's he saying? On the road

Heard Zuccarello name come up. Hate to lose heart and soul on a team that's short on h&s.

 

[Avery16]

We need a RHS PMD more than anything else, have needed one for some time now, but I have to believe one could be had without giving up what will probably be one of our most effective forwards next season. I understand how Zucc is expendable, but Nash is even more so, and IMO means less to this team, could mean MORE to another team. Nash should be able to get us a good RHS PMD. Heck, a stopgap could be had probably without even moving Nash, but with the cap, and the expansion draft, and his streakiness, I am totally fine with moving on from Nash. However, if we had to overcome the loss of Hagelin last season, just imagine what we will play like without MZA.

 

[Levitate]

I parsed that tweet as "hate to hear his name coming up, don't think he'll be traded, but hearing 2 people here (Nashville based on a following tweet) mentioning his name

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Only way I'd trade Zucc at this point is if someone takes Girardi or Staal off our hands ala Bolland/Crouse