Offseason GDT III

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I think Lucic goes to either Edmonton or Vancouver, probably the 'Nucks because I could see Benning giving him a 6x6 deal, the guy is incompetent at being a GM. Maybe Looch goes to the Ducks as a long shot if Santorelli decides to spend to the cap, which is doubtful.

I hope we trade King for a pick.
 
i had a dream last night that Dean traded Brown and Doughty to TOR for the 1st pick and other assets.......i woke up at that point freaking out, so i don't know what the other assets were.

the thought of trading Doughty made me freak out
 
i had a dream last night that Dean traded Brown and Doughty to TOR for the 1st pick and other assets.......i woke up at that point freaking out, so i don't know what the other assets were.

the thought of trading Doughty made me freak out

Eat your vegetables and don't do the drugs Petey.
 
DL brought in Gaborik with an expiring contract but was able to get a discount because of the results. He went back to the well twice with that move and got burned both times.

That's part of the hubris that has killed this team since 2014. DL believed guys would want to stay here and be part of this culture: two ****** seasons will change that for those players that weren't a part of 2012-14.

There is no hometown discount when it isn't really your hometown.

A discount because it was spread over 7 years. And yeah, the results are a huge part of it. Lombardi lets Gaborik walk if they go out quietly to the Sharks that year. I'm guessing Richards is bought out and Greene isn't back either. Especially with the way the team was playing in Games 1-3 in that series.

Look how Lombardi has tried to keep the teams that won the Cup together as much as possible. It's the whole loyalty thing. He let Williams go last summer though, in part because they didn't even make the playoffs.

If the Kings had a better showing this year, or if Lucic had some more positive moments in the playoffs, maybe he goes the extra mile to keep him. But the team, and the individual, didn't do enough.

It's not about hometown discounts. You have to pay these guys, or else they go. That's how winning teams end up having issues with the cap. Nobody is taking a hometown discount in Chicago either.
 
i had a dream last night that Dean traded Brown and Doughty to TOR for the 1st pick and other assets.......i woke up at that point freaking out, so i don't know what the other assets were.

the thought of trading Doughty made me freak out

Doesn't matter. I wouldn't trade him for anything except maybe a Kings ransom type deal. And even then it would be questionable to me.
 
Awful.

This is terrible.

I had a feeling the Kings were going in a different direction though.

Wonder if they still deal Dwight King.

Brown-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Mersch-Shore-????
Andreoff/Clifford-Dowd-Nolan

Maybe Lombardi has his sights on Yandle, which is dumb though because come expansion time it would be Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Yandle and McNabb. We would lose 1-2.
 
'Milan Lucic is heading to free agency. According to a report, Lucic and the Kings have not been able to come to terms on a new contract, and Los Angeles GM Dean Lombardi has given Lucic and his agents the go-ahead to start talking contract with other clubs.'
 
A discount because it was spread over 7 years. And yeah, the results are a huge part of it. Lombardi lets Gaborik walk if they go out quietly to the Sharks that year. I'm guessing Richards is bought out and Greene isn't back either. Especially with the way the team was playing in Games 1-3 in that series.

Look how Lombardi has tried to keep the teams that won the Cup together as much as possible. It's the whole loyalty thing. He let Williams go last summer though, in part because they didn't even make the playoffs.

If the Kings had a better showing this year, or if Lucic had some more positive moments in the playoffs, maybe he goes the extra mile to keep him. But the team, and the individual, didn't do enough.

It's not about hometown discounts. You have to pay these guys, or else they go. That's how winning teams end up having issues with the cap. Nobody is taking a hometown discount in Chicago either.

Assume DL wanted Gaborik back even if they didn't have the '14 run. Gaborik does not accept that contract structure without the run that occured. All hypothetical but you get the point.

Chicago guys delivered three cups and are homegrown. DL has brought in guys that were lining up for paydays and thought that winning would cure the cap issues of bringing them back.

It also is much more difficult with the bigger names...they have the NHLPA to answer to as well so taking less money and/or term doesn't sit very well.
 
i see Dean doing a package deal to move Brown off the books - the removal of the C from him was the beginning. all the talk of "being able to focus on his game and not the captaincy" is a rhetoric.

i think Brown gets moved with Pearson and a low pick. teams will ask for Toffoli, but will get offered Pearson and a pick
 
Awful.

This is terrible.

I had a feeling the Kings were going in a different direction though.

Wonder if they still deal Dwight King.

Brown-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Mersch-Shore-????
Andreoff/Clifford-Dowd-Nolan

Maybe Lombardi has his sights on Yandle, which is dumb though because come expansion time it would be Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Yandle and McNabb. We would lose 1-2.

I mean what's the alternative though? Keep him and be saddled with an albatross of a contract while the defense remains awful? That's pretty much what it comes down to. I think DL is banking on Pearson having a breakout season, and one of Kempe/Dowd/Mersch/Shore stepping up.
 
Awful.

This is terrible.

I had a feeling the Kings were going in a different direction though.

Wonder if they still deal Dwight King.

Brown-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Mersch-Shore-????
Andreoff/Clifford-Dowd-Nolan

Maybe Lombardi has his sights on Yandle, which is dumb though because come expansion time it would be Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Yandle and McNabb. We would lose 1-2.

Can only lose one.
 
If we lose Lucic, Lombardi needs to put that money on defense and a third line center.

We are fine at forward with Mersch and Kempe in the wings and Dowd at 4th line center.

Shore can't cut it.
 
i see Dean doing a package deal to move Brown off the books - the removal of the C from him was the beginning. all the talk of "being able to focus on his game and not the captaincy" is a rhetoric.

i think Brown gets moved with Pearson and a low pick. teams will ask for Toffoli, but will get offered Pearson and a pick

I don't think that's enough to move 6 more years of Brown at 6M. Probably going to have to ride a good portion of it out.

That contract really gets in the way when you're looking at filling out the roster.

On the King situation:
-Lombardi is freeing up some serious cap space not bringing Lucic back and looking to deal King.
-If the rumor about King is true that means Lombardi is focused on the future, and not next year.

Other guys that may be moved for the future.
Carter: Good contract now, could still get a good return. May not be possible in a couple of years.
Toffoli: Great value now, His numbers may drop next year if the offense sucks and he's stuck on a line with Brown. He'll need a new contract then. His value is at it's peak.
Martinez: Lots of demand for top 4D this year. If the Kings are looking down the road could he be dealt?

The Lucic thing alone, maybe Lombardi wanted to spend the cap differently. Added with the King rumor, something is up.
 
***-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
***-***-Brown
Clifford-Andreoff-Nolan

Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-***
McNabb-Scuderi

Quick-***

This is no Lucic, King, Vinny, Versteeg, Lewis, Schenn, and Enroth.

Manchester players set to step up
Kevin Gravel
Derek Forbort
Nic Dowd
Michael Mersch
next wave
Adrian Kempe
Michael Amadio

plus enough money to bring in a quality dman and either Versteeg or Lewis
 
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i see Dean doing a package deal to move Brown off the books - the removal of the C from him was the beginning. all the talk of "being able to focus on his game and not the captaincy" is a rhetoric.

i think Brown gets moved with Pearson and a low pick. teams will ask for Toffoli, but will get offered Pearson and a pick

I disagree.

DL isn't moving him this season. He may have announced that this team is heading in a new direction with stripping him of the C, but I think DL is giving him one more season to see if he's able to regain his points production and presence on the ice... but if DB fails to do so, then he'll send him packing.

And I def. wouldn't move Pearson... :shakehead
 
Assume DL wanted Gaborik back even if they didn't have the '14 run. Gaborik does not accept that contract structure without the run that occured. All hypothetical but you get the point.

Sure, but Gaborik was also coming off 2 straight years where he was hurt for a decent chunk of games, and was traded twice. Once for Matt Frattin. I'm not sure if Gaborik was looking at another big contract without that 2014 playoff performance. Like you said, it was only after the playoffs that Gaborik all of a sudden had the leverage that he did. Before that, two teams got rid of him, and he was aging and breaking down.

Chicago guys delivered three cups and are homegrown. DL has brought in guys that were lining up for paydays and thought that winning would cure the cap issues of bringing them back.

And had the Kings done something in 2015 or 2016, I think either Sekera or Lucic might still be on the team. Lombardi would've forced himself to do it, for good or bad, because of his sense of loyalty. The team didn't win though, so he didn't go the extra mile the way he has for Brown, or Kopitar, or Quick, or Gaborik when they've had to get deals done.

It also is much more difficult with the bigger names...they have the NHLPA to answer to as well so taking less money and/or term doesn't sit very well.

Yeah, that's probably one reason why Lombardi has usually gone for guys that were signed. He wasn't really a rental guy. Gave up a 1st for Penner, but he was signed. Gave up nothing to get Gaborik, and it worked out great.

Now that they've won a couple Cups, more guys are signed to bigger and longer contracts, so Lombardi may not have the same flexibility to bring in guys that are already signed like Carter or Richards. He's had to go for the rentals now, because there's no way of knowing exactly how long the window is open. Not many teams win 2 out of 3 Cups, so they had something special there, and he's tried to keep that going. Which has now cost them two 1st round picks for 1 whole playoff win, and both players are gone.
 
Kyle Connor
Colin Miller
Martin Jones

Huge pay up. This team will be much worse next year without Lucic. I think people fail to realize how many goals were scored with Lucic screening the goalie . No one else on the team can do it . Lucic made a big difference and now we are losing again. I really wanted Kyle Connor and Colin Miller could replace many pathetic dmen we have.

Dean needs to smoke some weed and think a little bit
 
Awful.

This is terrible.

I had a feeling the Kings were going in a different direction though.

Wonder if they still deal Dwight King.

Brown-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Mersch-Shore-????
Andreoff/Clifford-Dowd-Nolan

Maybe Lombardi has his sights on Yandle, which is dumb though because come expansion time it would be Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Yandle and McNabb. We would lose 1-2.

I you lose a guy you sign as a UFA it's not like you lost any assets in acquiring. Yandle playde very sheltered minutes this past year which concerns the hell out of me.
 
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