Kingsfan1
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Since when did we say bye to Greene ? I been waiting for that day so we can use his cap space on an actual viable bottom defender.
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Since when did we say bye to Greene ? I been waiting for that day so we can use his cap space on an actual viable bottom defender.
KopitarFAN
Reno Sucks!
If they go get another Left shot, like Yandle, wouldn't be shocked to see them move martinez (and probably something else) for a Right shot and try to re-create that 2012-14 defense, the L-R balance and the like.
Martyros
Allow me to retort
can you name 8 skaters the kings will protect? at this point I think Martinez would be the 8th
In no particular order:
Kopitar
Toffoli
Carter
Pearson
Doughty
Yandle
Muzzin
Martinez
Gravel
Dowd
Kempe(is he exempt?)
Am I missing someone that is worthy of being protected over those 8?
Herby
How could Blake have known?
The Patriots have been successful for so long for many reasons, but one of the key ones is knowing when to say goodbye to spent assets and getting maximum value for them. Lawyer Milloy, Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Richard Seymour the list goes on and on.
They were never attached to players, what they did in years past wasn't a factor in considering what they would do going forward, that was a huge problem with the Kings management.
They were never attached to players, what they did in years past wasn't a factor in considering what they would do going forward, that was a huge problem with the Kings management.
KopitarFAN
Reno Sucks!
ScoreZeGoals
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I could not agree more, loyalty is good to a point. Much better to walk away the year before a player falls off a cliff than to be left holding the bag with a crappy contract for years. The Pats have been masters at that
Define successful. Because in the last 10 years they've only won 1 super bowl. They're a lot like the Red Wings. Shouldn't we be more like the Red Wings? And I'm not even going to bury you on the fact that NFL teams can just cut players and not be on the hook for their contracts like in the NHL so no team is ever actually beholden to any of their players.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I think there's a lot going into that, but I agree.
OH wait, I mean that's clear cap circumvention, and DL betrayed Lucic. Am I doing this right?
I really don't see it. I really think what DL said is true for at least this year: Brown is a King, and they hope he'll be taken in the expansion draft somehow, and if not, maybe then a buyout becomes more palatable. But he's a King this year for better or for worse, and DL is maybe seeing the same things I am, that the lack of production is actually baffling rather than predictable.
Buddy, Colin Miller didn't even replace the many pathetic D-men BOSTON had, he only cracked their lineup due to many injuries.
and Kyle Connor is still a wild card.
I agree with people who say that the trade was baffling because we needed a D man more than a forward, but I still prefer the GM that's going to go for it while the window is open and YEARS before those assets make an NHL impact. Or was Roland McKeown the delta between us winning last year and losing in the first round?
DL's real test starts now, how does he recover? HE's said all the things that many posters here want to hear--about recouping assets and refocusing on within, to go along with the comments from Gann's article about reflecting on mistakes.
I did think it was crazy that he 180'ed after the Lucic trade/before the deadline on the 'all in' philosophy and I think his lack of moves at the deadline signaled that he knew the team was in trouble but didn't want to cough up any more assets (despite the rumored Buff trade). I don't see why that line of thought wouldn't continue. Those comments from Gann's article about needing our "2nd wave" now also compliment that. I think we're headed towards a retool. No guarantees at this point, but hey, at least the posters upset about allegedly throwing away assets will be appeased.
Ziggy Stardust
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I don't think they should focus so much on having a perfect LD-RD alignment, so long as you have capable defensemen in the lineup who can play their role and not be out of place and put into a position to fail (i.e. McNabb).
Look at the Blackhawks, they don't have a LD-RD setup throughout their D-pairings. When they won the Cup in 2015, they only had two right handed dmen in the lineup in Seabrook and Rozsival (and he only appeared in 10 playoff games before getting injured).
Hell, those Oilers dynasties didn't have a perfect LD-RD setup. The Dallas Stars blueline from '99 which Dean Lombardi praised in the past didn't have that setup (only righty was Zubov). The Devils only had one right handed dmen when they won their Cups in 2000 and 2003 (Rafalski) and all of their dmen on their '95 Cup winning team were left handed.
Just have 6 defensemen who can skate and make plays with the puck. Not 3 defensemen who can do that and 3 others who can barely keep up against skilled and/or fast players.
Look at the Blackhawks, they don't have a LD-RD setup throughout their D-pairings. When they won the Cup in 2015, they only had two right handed dmen in the lineup in Seabrook and Rozsival (and he only appeared in 10 playoff games before getting injured).
Hell, those Oilers dynasties didn't have a perfect LD-RD setup. The Dallas Stars blueline from '99 which Dean Lombardi praised in the past didn't have that setup (only righty was Zubov). The Devils only had one right handed dmen when they won their Cups in 2000 and 2003 (Rafalski) and all of their dmen on their '95 Cup winning team were left handed.
Just have 6 defensemen who can skate and make plays with the puck. Not 3 defensemen who can do that and 3 others who can barely keep up against skilled and/or fast players.
Martyros
Allow me to retort
I thought so, i'm too lazy to read up on it as i believed the player had to have completed his 2nd full professional season prior to the start of the 2017 season.
Kings will take the route of 8 skaters.
We don't have any great forwards besides Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli and Pearson but we have 4 solid D and potentially 5 is DL sign or trades for someone else.
We don't have any great forwards besides Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli and Pearson but we have 4 solid D and potentially 5 is DL sign or trades for someone else.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
That's the part I think will transform the most.
I also think that puck mover/stay at homer dynamic will likely change a bit.
Lefty/Righty certainly matters but not over having the BPA.
Who is out there as far as defense goes? LA just lost a trade chip on LW. Who can they trade for a solid defender?
Pearson Mersch Clifford Kempe?
Yandle likely won't make it to LA. Highly sought after.
Russell/Demers/Schultz/Hamhuis...all are not worth the going price but that's what's there.
If you don't see Russell as a possibility I think you are naive.
All this predicated on a need to upgrade defense unless the kids are ready to step in.
Pearson Mersch Clifford Kempe?
Yandle likely won't make it to LA. Highly sought after.
Russell/Demers/Schultz/Hamhuis...all are not worth the going price but that's what's there.
If you don't see Russell as a possibility I think you are naive.
All this predicated on a need to upgrade defense unless the kids are ready to step in.
fsanford
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Agree, Gaborik should be the last bad contract the Kings hand out.
I don't know if Lombardi learned his lesson, or the cap hit prevented him from offerring another bad term deal. Either way the Kings benefit.
ScoreZeGoals
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Russell is a possibility but god i really ****ing hope not.
I hope a lot of people saw what a fraud he was last year.
Scary thought honestly. I think he could easily get 3 from another team. If he gets over 2.5 here...
Kingsfan1
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I think there's a lot going into that, but I agree.
OH wait, I mean that's clear cap circumvention, and DL betrayed Lucic. Am I doing this right?
I really don't see it. I really think what DL said is true for at least this year: Brown is a King, and they hope he'll be taken in the expansion draft somehow, and if not, maybe then a buyout becomes more palatable. But he's a King this year for better or for worse, and DL is maybe seeing the same things I am, that the lack of production is actually baffling rather than predictable.
Buddy, Colin Miller didn't even replace the many pathetic D-men BOSTON had, he only cracked their lineup due to many injuries.
and Kyle Connor is still a wild card.
I agree with people who say that the trade was baffling because we needed a D man more than a forward, but I still prefer the GM that's going to go for it while the window is open and YEARS before those assets make an NHL impact. Or was Roland McKeown the delta between us winning last year and losing in the first round?
DL's real test starts now, how does he recover? HE's said all the things that many posters here want to hear--about recouping assets and refocusing on within, to go along with the comments from Gann's article about reflecting on mistakes.
I did think it was crazy that he 180'ed after the Lucic trade/before the deadline on the 'all in' philosophy and I think his lack of moves at the deadline signaled that he knew the team was in trouble but didn't want to cough up any more assets (despite the rumored Buff trade). I don't see why that line of thought wouldn't continue. Those comments from Gann's article about needing our "2nd wave" now also compliment that. I think we're headed towards a retool. No guarantees at this point, but hey, at least the posters upset about allegedly throwing away assets will be appeased.
Dean complicates the situation with his window is open philosophy. Look at Chicago, year in and year out they trade quality players that they can't fit in no more for other pieces and replace within and graduate players. Dowd , Gravel, Mersch lots of players could have been graduated into the team throughout the past years but they didn't because they held onto bunch of replaceable players such as King, Lewis, Clifford, Etc..... You move players for pieces and replace within so you have cap space to add a piece or two needed to go for another long run again. Not hold onto replaceable players.
You identify your core and replace others. This is why our bottom 6 hurt us badly the last 2 years they all suck pretty much and our defense. Players should have been replaced and the cap space should have been used else where. That's how you continue to stay competitive like Detroit did for 20 years and now Chicago.
Also on top of that the drafting has been suspect. Don't get me wrong there are lots of prospects I'm intrigued by but they don't do what they preach. There were many scenarios they didn't draft BPA and went for a grinding hard nosed type that is dying in today's NHL. It's skill and speed now and I ****ing sure as hell hope they got the memo now.
WHOneedsSOX
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If he signs Lewis and Versteeg (or a similar player) on a multiple year deal for $6 million total, I will lose my mind.
The $6 million should either go towards a legit top 3 d-man or the majority of it should be banked for Toffoli's raise next season.
Kingsfan1
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Lewis is a player that is so replaceable that it baffles my mind that he is still around. There are so many more better options. Dean needs to stop marrying himself to so many players.
ScoreZeGoals
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The problem with Lombardi, is that his "core" players was like 15 players deep. Kopi, Doughty, and Quick, THAT is the core. After winning the cup the focus was on bringing everybody back instead of trying to improve the team.
Matt13
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It may not be DL being a stand up guy. This is actually kind of ninja on Dean.
Lucic may find his market price not what he believes it to be. Also would still give Dean the ability to match the best offer on the table before 7/1 opens.
ScoreZeGoals
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Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
A thought that annoyed the hell out of me: Lombardi could've saved his assets from the Lucic trade and just re-signed Williams for far less than what Lucic would cost to retain. Ugh.
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