GDT: vs the Wild

[baconandbread]

Svech had a really good chance during the 6 on 5 on a Rantanen rebound. I would very much like them to stay together

 

[User13452]

91 shot attempts tonight 1 goal experience canes hockey

 

[cptjeff]

Svech had a really good chance during the 6 on 5 on a Rantanen rebound. I would very much like them to stay together

He looked genuinely dangerous in the 3rd. Especially on that 2 minute O-zone shift where he and Ghost were on fire.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

feels like a lot of people forgetting the locker room was just ravaged by flu/noro right after the trade...

going to take time to get back to normal when that happens. the four nations break couldn't be coming at a better time

 

[HisIceness]

This is why I don’t think Daniels even runs the powerplay. Rod is on the board for 6 on 5.

You may well could be right but it begs the question. If that's the case what does Daniels actually do here?

I'm frustrated with him because I watched him coach in Charlotte and he had absolutely no emotion, no anything. Players would yell at him on the ice for some kind of guidance or direction and hed have nothing. He would just stand there with his mouth slightly open just watching. He might as well had been a tree. Granted he didn't have the greatest roster in Charlotte but no one was sad when the Checkers moved on from him.

Nothing about him screams coach. Head or assistant.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Svech had a really good chance during the 6 on 5 on a Rantanen rebound. I would very much like them to stay together

There’s been a lot of talk about having as many RH shots with him as possible to simulate McKinnon and Makar because that’s what he’s used to. Guess what? Theres no Mckinnon or Makar here, so f*** all that. Physically is there anyone who matches up with a Svech-KK-Rantanen line? Then you have to choose to check them or something like Hall-Aho-Jarvis.

Theres ways for this to be a terrifying lineup, they just need to figure it out.

 

[Joe McGrath]

You may well could be right but it begs the question. If that's the case what does Daniels actually do here?

I'm frustrated with him because I watched him coach in Charlotte and he had absolutely no emotion, no anything. Players would yell at him on the ice for some kind of guidance or direction and hed have nothing. He would just stand there with his mouth slightly open just watching. He might as well had been a tree. Granted he didn't have the greatest roster in Charlotte but no one was sad when the Checkers moved on from him.

I mean I really don’t know what any assistant's coaches do. Gleason runs the D and PK. Its good. Is he a great coach or is Slavin that f***ing good and that’s why the PK has been in the upper 80s the entire time he’s been here?

Kirk Muller was supposedly a special teams wizard. Canes were still shit when he came here. Now he’s still coaching it to meh results for the last decade.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Slavin burns chatty Orlov walker….unfortunately not an offensive bone in any of those 5 (burns had it two years ago but no longer). They are specialists at robotic covering the boards and sadly just shooting directly into goalies.

only ghost can be deceptive in zone but since his injury/baby he has lost his mojo (or teams have studied the tape and know his moves).

If d was more creative it would certainly help the three lines in zone (Staal’s will always be dump chase neutralize). Aho worked magic with guentzel but I don’t see it with MR yet.

Add to it the lack of size/physicality on D along with mistakes all year leading to too many odd man chances and it’s a wonder how high we are up the leader board. Necas hot start certainly gave us a buffer.

Then again tougher to play with the runs so maybe it’s just illness

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Ok the best parts is when the Hurricanes scored, and i stood up and cheered, and there most people didn't care because they were still up 2-1, but there was a little old lady that was REALLY mad about it, she was waving at me to get out of there lol. Maybe she was Gustavsson's mom and was mad he lost the shutout?

Anyway I had a great time, shame the Canes only turned it on at the end..

 

[User13452]

Necas fitting right in with Colorado meanwhile Rantanen has the canes goal scoring allergy now

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Mostly in-zone 5v5 offense + a dogshit PP = prototypical narrow margin playoff loss.

Better for the PP to collapse now rather than later, perhaps.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Minnesota is a house of horrors. In like 20 games there they have something like 4 wins.

Wild are 12-12-1 at home. It shouldn’t be so scary.

 

[baconandbread]

Necas fitting right in with Colorado meanwhile Rantanen has the canes goal scoring allergy now

Before tonight, Necas only had 1 goal in 6 games with Colorado with increased ice time. Rantanen 1 in 5 including tonight with decreased ice time.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Before tonight, Necas only had 1 goal in 6 games with Colorado with increased ice time. Rantanen 1 in 5 including tonight with decreased ice time.

Linemate effect is strong in Colorado, as well. There is no MacKinnon or Makar equivalent anywhere in the NHL, let alone Carolina. I need to stay away from Hockey Twitter and those insufferable f**ks.

 

[Derailed75]

Necas would have buried that one timer tbh

I watched the second game for Colorado after the trade. Nachos had like 3 one time posts in the game.

Just saying!

 

[Svechhammer]

You may well could be right but it begs the question. If that's the case what does Daniels actually do here?

I'm frustrated with him because I watched him coach in Charlotte and he had absolutely no emotion, no anything. Players would yell at him on the ice for some kind of guidance or direction and hed have nothing. He would just stand there with his mouth slightly open just watching. He might as well had been a tree. Granted he didn't have the greatest roster in Charlotte but no one was sad when the Checkers moved on from him.

Nothing about him screams coach. Head or assistant.

If he's not coaching the PP what is he doing. And if he is coaching the PP, even Rod says it sucks so he's failing there.

It's been 3 years of shit play play in the offensive zone when we are forced to cycle and work for a goal, and 3 years of utter dogshit play on the man advantage. It has to change. Necas goes away and explodes. Guentzel goes away and leads the league in PPGs. Rantanen comes in and suddenly cannot buy a goal. What is wrong with our system that does this to guys?

 

[Borsig]

Lmao Rod. The powerplay has sucked for like 5 years so much it's a trope. Even the punishment of year after year and needing ONE ppg on 16 chances vs the raga last year still didn't shame you guys into a fix.

Lol I love rba but damn man.

 

[Stickpucker]

This is why I don’t think Daniels even runs the powerplay. Rod is on the board for 6 on 5.

I always thought he was in charge of butt patts to get the boys hyped.

 

[AD Skinner]

The power play was top 5 in the league until ghost got hurt. He’s back but hasn’t had the effect he was having before. Last night he didn’t seem nearly as decisive with his passing as he had been

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Lmao Rod. The powerplay has sucked for like 5 years so much it's a trope. Even the punishment of year after year and needing ONE ppg on 16 chances vs the raga last year still didn't shame you guys into a fix.

Lol I love rba but damn man.

See, you’d think that, but it’s simply not true.

Last year, our PP was 2nd in the league (26.9%). It only shit the bed in the playoffs (though even then, it was 19.4%)
2022/23 - It was 19th in the league at 19.8%. Playoffs - 17.7%
2021/2022 - 13th in the league at 22%. Playoffs - 13%
2020/2021 - 2nd in the league at 25.6%. Playoffs - 18.8%
2019/2020 - 8th in the league at 22.3%. Playoffs - 13.8%

So there’s obviously a major drop each year when it comes to our regular season success on the PP vs. the playoffs. And I think it’s the same issue that we’re seeing currently: This team absolutely sucks on the road. Like, just flat out looks like a completely different team. I assume the reasoning is because they’re not getting the favorable line matchups that they would at home. But then you’ve got to question why, for a team and system that’s supposed to favor defensive responsibility, there’s such a stark difference between a home and away record. Theoretically, the line matchup difference should be minimalized, not enhanced, if we’re a well rounded, defensive team,

 

[spockBokk]

Thank goodness only 1 more game til the 4 Nations break, for most of the team. Vegas also did the Canes a solid last night by beating the Devils in regulation.

 

[WreckingCrew]

See, you’d think that, but it’s simply not true.

Last year, our PP was 2nd in the league (26.9%). It only shit the bed in the playoffs (though even then, it was 19.4%)
2022/23 - It was 19th in the league at 19.8%. Playoffs - 17.7%
2021/2022 - 13th in the league at 22%. Playoffs - 13%
2020/2021 - 2nd in the league at 25.6%. Playoffs - 18.8%
2019/2020 - 8th in the league at 22.3%. Playoffs - 13.8%

So there’s obviously a major drop each year when it comes to our regular season success on the PP vs. the playoffs. And I think it’s the same issue that we’re seeing currently: This team absolutely sucks on the road. Like, just flat out looks like a completely different team. I assume the reasoning is because they’re not getting the favorable line matchups that they would at home. But then you’ve got to question why, for a team and system that’s supposed to favor defensive responsibility, there’s such a stark difference between a home and away record. Theoretically, the line matchup difference should be minimalized, not enhanced, if we’re a well rounded, defensive team,

Part of it likely has to do with the fact that we are so incredibly PREDICTABLE. Most plays, especially on the PP, I can tell exactly what the team is about to do before they do it because it's our system and we don't deviate (and we're terrible about telegraphing what we're about to do). During the regular season, when every team is playing "their system", it works great because nobody is drastically going to change their system every game to counter opponent tactics. Everyone sticks to their standard game-plan/system, and our system is effective against most teams. In the playoffs it's different. You're facing the same team multiple games and absolutely have incentive to change your tactics up when they're not working or you're going to be out. We simply don't. It's why our special teams (PP & PK) turn into absolute turds and our offense slams face-first into a wall...because we're so predictable it's easy for teams to adjust at that point to counter us and we seem to stubbornly refuse to change things up other than maybe a line-blender. Hell last year we watched Freddie get worse and worse with each game and still f***ing played him until he completely collapsed in game 6 against the Rags (not that I thought we'd win the series but ruined an epic comeback push)

 

[chaz4hockey]

^^^^^
We need more Blake’s who are in zone unpredictable.

 

[Svechhammer]

Part of it likely has to do with the fact that we are so incredibly PREDICTABLE. Most plays, especially on the PP, I can tell exactly what the team is about to do before they do it because it's our system and we don't deviate (and we're terrible about telegraphing what we're about to do). During the regular season, when every team is playing "their system", it works great because nobody is drastically going to change their system every game to counter opponent tactics. Everyone sticks to their standard game-plan/system, and our system is effective against most teams. In the playoffs it's different. You're facing the same team multiple games and absolutely have incentive to change your tactics up when they're not working or you're going to be out. We simply don't. It's why our special teams (PP & PK) turn into absolute turds and our offense slams face-first into a wall...because we're so predictable it's easy for teams to adjust at that point to counter us and we seem to stubbornly refuse to change things up other than maybe a line-blender. Hell last year we watched Freddie get worse and worse with each game and still f***ing played him until he completely collapsed in game 6 against the Rags (not that I thought we'd win the series but ruined an epic comeback push)

Whats even more frustrating is that we haven't deviated from it year over year, so its become easier for teams to adjust their game plans on the fly to counter us, because they've likely seen it enough they know how to do it.

Every year once we get to the stretch run, our offense dries up because defenses tighten up to get ready for playoff hockey. When we are forced to cycle the puck in the zone, we are surprisingly bad at generating goals for a team that has a mindset of dominating possession. The bulk of our goals are scored on the transition game and fast break, and in the playoffs, you might get two or three of those chances a night. Unfortunately, we also have a host of players who struggle to find a corner, which further complicates things.

But back to the PP, you're absolutely right, we're too damn predictable. Too much telegraphing where we are going to go with the puck, too much station to station passing. One thing I noticed immediately watching Necas in Colorado is how they never stop moving on the PP and it allows him space to move because the defense is usually caught out of position. Here, the defense collapses almost immediately because we rarely make them work, we rarely make them get out of the passing lanes. And its been like this for years.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Supreme talent comes here and our genius coaching staff doesn't even know how to use them. lol. so predictable. Just ice 12 4th liners and Rod would be far more happy and a better coach. His "system" is for more suited to a lineup like that.