GDT: Official Trade Deadline Thread Part XXXI

[wafflepadsave]

He crumbled like a damn cookie

Don’t waste those Milano ‘s

 

[NYR Viper]

People say the Rangers can’t trade Kreider because he will be the next captain. The Rangers have traded their last two captains

 

[wafflepadsave]

Nyquist heading to San Jose officially per Bobby Mac. I think that one was floating around all afternoon.

The insiderrrrrrrrrt had 6 hours before!

 

[TheBPA]

It seems like to me the plan is to get a lot of darts to throw and maybe one or two will hit the bullseye. It’s just a shame that 4 guys the Rangers said were done and or not good are currently on the Lightning on a team that is so far better than anyone else right now. Imagine if the Rangers did not make a rediculus call to begin a rebuild. If Mica and Kreider both played as well as they are this year and the Rangers still had a complementary group like Miller, McD and the like— I’d say they’d be headed on another deep playoff run.

This rebuild is horrible, will continue to be horrible for a long time and the outcome will likely be unknown for years to come!

Wow. Of those 4 guys, only 1 is arguably an impact player. Miller is just ok and his contract is creating major issues for them.

 

[TheBPA]

Really?
At least the Knicks actually have multiple kids and are playing them. That's a legit rebuild. Also getting a top pick. With a strong possibility of adding the second best player in the sport, along with another top player, to the current young team.

I wish the Rangers were in the same position.

The Knicks haven’t been good in 20 years. I don’t wish the Rangers to be like the Knicks in any way.

 

[Irishguy42]

Zucc got a slightly better return than Nyqvist.

But no, I guess Holland also got swindled and took the first offer he received too.

smh

 

[Jim Ramsay]

Really?
At least the Knicks actually have multiple kids and are playing them. That's a legit rebuild. Also getting a top pick. With a strong possibility of adding the second best player in the sport, along with another top player, to the current young team.

I wish the Rangers were in the same position.

The knicks have been 'rebuilding' or whatever you want to call it for 20 years, awful.... At least the rangers had a few runs in the past decade. The rangers will be relevant again before the knicks finish their 'rebuild'

 

[darko]

No, the people "complaining about Zuc" aren't talking about "market". The narrative that opinions like the above, and you're not alone, assume that the Rangers had to trade him and that that is what he's worth.

The people "complaining about Zuc" are saying that that wasn't enough to replace what he brings to the team and the team would've been better off signing him for another 4-5 years then have a late 2nd and 3rd round pick in subsequent drafts which contributes very little to a rebuild. Zooks leads by example and busts it every shift throughout his career save for a small drop this year early on when he was clearly having difficulty facing the writing on the wall. Rebuilds also build a winning culture and character in the room. See Sabres, Buffalo for a team perpetually rebuilding the wrong way.

5 years for a guy who will be 32 when next season starts. No thanks. That's how we ended up with Girardi and Staal.

 

[darko]

Really?
At least the Knicks actually have multiple kids and are playing them. That's a legit rebuild. Also getting a top pick. With a strong possibility of adding the second best player in the sport, along with another top player, to the current young team.

I wish the Rangers were in the same position.

Rangers made SC only few years ago and made multiple playoff runs. Knicks haven't been relevant since the late 90s.

 

[darko]

Wow. Of those 4 guys, only 1 is arguably an impact player. Miller is just ok and his contract is creating major issues for them.

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good whinge.

 

[Ghost of jas]

In Kreider’s case, the Rangers are not the ones initiating the conversation.

Which is good. I remain skeptical that someone is going to meet Gorton’s price for Kreider. Myself, I’m hoping the Rangers are also watching the leadership he’s providing. I remain hopeful they’re more interested in re-signing here m than dealing him.

 

[wafflepadsave]

If someone has time, make another poll with different possible returns for Hayes. Like a 1st and B prospect, conditional 1st, conditional 2nd, A prospect and a second, or a B prospect and 3- 7ths. I have to work today.

 

[Mr Saji]

Is deadline Noon or 3pm today?

 

[egelband]

Is deadline Noon or 3pm today?

3pm eastern.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

No, the people "complaining about Zuc" aren't talking about "market". The narrative that opinions like the above, and you're not alone, assume that the Rangers had to trade him and that that is what he's worth.

The people "complaining about Zuc" are saying that that wasn't enough to replace what he brings to the team and the team would've been better off signing him for another 4-5 years then have a late 2nd and 3rd round pick in subsequent drafts which contributes very little to a rebuild. Zooks leads by example and busts it every shift throughout his career save for a small drop this year early on when he was clearly having difficulty facing the writing on the wall. Rebuilds also build a winning culture and character in the room. See Sabres, Buffalo for a team perpetually rebuilding the wrong way.

And yet, they still have Kreider, Lundqvist, Zibanejad and to a lesser extent, Staal and Fast. You're telling me that Zucc is needed to build a winning culture? I mean, come on. People are seriously overvaluing this aspect of his leadership. We still have some very good, veteran leaders, who have had winning experiences on this team.

I also disagree with your assessment that he 100% would have signed here. This is his last big contract. Do you really think he's going to take some big discount to stay here? Moreover, do you think the Rangers would be wise to pay him, lets say 5mil/5 years? In my opinion, that's just a really poor decision for a rebuilding team.

You have Hank on a huge contract and you know he's staying. There is a significantly better case for Kreider to be locked up long term. And we also have Zibanejad locked up. I would much rather allocated 7mil to Kreider over 6 years, than 5 over 5 to Zucc. It would be insane for us to keep all of these guys.

 

[Irishguy42]

Dallas can't be done trading? Benn and Zucc out injured...
Can we dangle Hayes in front of them and get some Young D's back? Honka..Nichushkin

Honka and Nuke would be bad returns for Hayes

 

[Good Intentions]

3pm eastern.

And deals still trickle in past 3:30 and into 4pm.

Oh, and merry xmas everyone - today is a fun one.

 

[Irishguy42]

Remember folks, today you will see a lot of paper transactions to the AHL.

If you're on the NHL roster at the deadline, you are ineligible for the AHL playoffs.

Yes, Hartford is unlikely to make it. But still, every team pretty much "sends down" players to retain eligibility.

 

[nyrage]

Mets-Jets-Knicks-Rangers fan here. Comparing the futility of these teams is a painful exercise. Let's start our day differently.

CK is my favorite player, but we overrate him here due to the fact that we haven't developed too many homegrown players for a variety of reasons (trading of first round picks, bad picks, lower draft order due to good 10+season run, etc).

Personally I would like to extend him and make him our captain. However, we should listen to offers. IF Gorton doesn't want to pay the price (or term) for his next contract and intends to trade him by next year's deadline, then his highest value is now or at the draft. I really don't like trading players for 2nd and 3rd rounders at the UFA trade deadline instead of getting better value a year earlier.

 

[Ail]

Rebuilds don’t have a set time frame, if the Rangers knew they were going to be ready to contend in two years (unlikely) then keeping Kreider is the right move. He and Zibby are a legit 1st line threat combo you can be confident in helping the Rangers go deep in the playoffs.

Kreider will be on the wrong side of thirty when this team is competitive again most likely. If there a deal now that they can get for Kreider that is even a slight overpayment they should take it. His trade value is probably at its peak right now. They did the right thing moving McD and Kreider should be viewed similarly. He’s worth more to the rebuild as a trade chip than as a building block, imo.

 

[Ghost of jas]

And yet, they still have Kreider, Lundqvist, Zibanejad and to a lesser extent, Staal and Fast. You're telling me that Zucc is needed to build a winning culture? I mean, come on. People are seriously overvaluing this aspect of his leadership. We still have some very good, veteran leaders, who have had winning experiences on this team.

I also disagree with your assessment that he 100% would have signed here. This is his last big contract. Do you really think he's going to take some big discount to stay here? Moreover, do you think the Rangers would be wise to pay him, lets say 5mil/5 years? In my opinion, that's just a really poor decision for a rebuilding team.

You have Hank on a huge contract and you know he's staying. There is a significantly better case for Kreider to be locked up long term. And we also have Zibanejad locked up. I would much rather allocated 7mil to Kreider over 6 years, than 5 over 5 to Zucc. It would be insane for us to keep all of these guys.

My gut feeling is that the Rangers were never interested in bringing him back. So, the ‘Rangers should just extend him’ option was not going to happen. And, if he’s looking for a big payout, a reunion this summer also isn’t happening.

 

[Irishguy42]

My gut feeling is that the Rangers were never interested in bringing him back. So, the ‘Rangers should just extend him’ option was not going to happen. And, if he’s looking for a big payout, a reunion this summer also isn’t happening.

I'm sure the Rangers were interested in bringing him back. It's just that Zucc wanted 5 years...Rangers didn't want that.

 

[Irishguy42]

 

[FultonReed]

I'm sure the Rangers were interested in bringing him back. It's just that Zucc wanted 5 years...Rangers didn't want that.

I doubt it, but hopefully they have another negotiation this summer to try and potentially bring him back for less than 5 years. he's got the attitude I want my young players to emulate.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'm sure the Rangers were interested in bringing him back. It's just that Zucc wanted 5 years...Rangers didn't want that.

I think the five year request was something thrown out to soften the blow. Zuccarello has been on the block since the letter came out. There may have been mild interest, but I don’t think the Rangers were ever in serious talks to extend him.