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MadaCanuckle said:
The only terrible look on this thread is what you're doing. We all know you're almost out of a side job, but that doesn't mean that you should attack other people personally just because they point out the obvious.

Everyone is saying for years that ownership sucks. But it also sucked during the Gillis regime and no one from the Benning cheerleading squad pointed that out once. Where was your post defending Gillis when things went sideways? Can it be found? No? Do you have the guts to accuse anyone of looking terrible?
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I liked Gillis a lot.

Why are these personal accusations of being a shill even allowed on the site. Does anyone think it's contributing to better hockey discourse? It's literally Q-anon level shit where if I don't see every single thing through an insane prism it means I 'mUsT bE oNe oF tHeM!!!111"

I was a big fan of Gillis and did defend him.

Further, it's clear that when we were successful Frankie boy was more hands off, it was when Gillis wanted to rebuild that he was shown the door and Aquillini became far more meddlesome.

I strongly dislike Benning and want him gone.

A lot of my 'defense' of him was just an attempt to defend honest discourse since, despite the myriad of legitimate reasons to dislike him, there was tons of nonsense and conjecture like, 'He wanted glass but my hero Brackett forced him to take Petey' based on nothing but a childlike sense of black and white, good vs evil.
 
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MarkusNaslund19 said:
A lot of my 'defense' of him was just an attempt to defend honest discourse since, despite the myriad of legitimate reasons to dislike him, there was tons of nonsense and conjecture like, 'He wanted glass but my hero Brackett forced him to take Petey' based on nothing but a childlike sense of black and white, good vs evil.
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The Aquilini's tend to hire guys as their GM who basically are un-hirable once they get fired. It's significant that Gillis was sacked back in 2013 and hasn't worked in a front office since. And hands up anyone who thinks that Jim Benning will ever get another GM post once his tenure with the Canucks is mercifully over.

In the case of Gillis, on the surface it seems pretty incomprehensible that a guy who led the Canucks when they reached the Cup final and had not an insignificant amount of playoff success, hasn't landed anywhere Maybe the rest of the league knows what was apparent at the time.

The 2009-2012 teams were basically built by Burke and Nonis, and all Gillis really did was ride the gravy train until the roster aged out.
 
MarkusNaslund19 said:
I liked Gillis a lot.

Why are these personal accusations of being a shill even allowed on the site. Does anyone think it's contributing to better hockey discourse? It's literally Q-anon level shit where if I don't see every single thing through an insane prism it means I 'mUsT bE oNe oF tHeM!!!111"

I was a big fan of Gillis and did defend him.

Further, it's clear that when we were successful Frankie boy was more hands off, it was when Gillis wanted to rebuild that he was shown the door and Aquillini became far more meddlesome.

I strongly dislike Benning and want him gone.

A lot of my 'defense' of him was just an attempt to defend honest discourse since, despite the myriad of legitimate reasons to dislike him, there was tons of nonsense and conjecture like, 'He wanted glass but my hero Brackett forced him to take Petey' based on nothing but a childlike sense of black and white, good vs evil.
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Lol from my experience you’ve been one to loudly and proudly come into threads defending and also attacking others so maybe lay off on the morality policing.

It was maybe 6 weeks ago this was the greatest assembled core in team history and the league. So forgive us if we can’t keep up to the flipping and flopping.

Also if we’re lobbying for things that shouldn’t be allowed it’s your last paragraph. Arguing the devils advocate side of dumb arguments constantly, that you dont believe, to defend honest discourse is actually dishonest. It’s trolling at best and flaming those you disagree with as childlike and conjecture is a delicious slice of irony.
 
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4Twenty said:
Lol from my experience you’ve been one to loudly and proudly come into threads defending and also attacking others so maybe lay off on the morality policing.

It was maybe 6 weeks ago this was the greatest assembled core in team history and the league. So forgive us if we can’t keep up to the flipping and flopping.

Also if we’re lobbying for things that shouldn’t be allowed it’s your last paragraph. Arguing the devils advocate side of dumb arguments constantly, that you dont believe, to defend honest discourse is actually dishonest. It’s trolling at best and flaming those you disagree with as childlike and conjecture is a delicious slice of irony.
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Every 5th post is someone ignoring the content of a post to accuse a poster of 'shilling'. It's disrespectful ad-hominem stuff at best, delusional psychosis at worst.

I still believe there is a really good core here, it's just forward heavy and the culture is broken. But we don't need a hard reset, we need a new gm to build around this team in much the same way that Gillis came in and built around the core that Nonis built.

And I'm not saying I was arguing the 'devil's advocate of things I didn't believe'.

I'm saying that the psychotic vitriol on this board gets tiresome and unproductive and when it moves into pure falsehoods I push against them. Simple as that.

I'm very much in the minority on these boards in that I like the Canucks more than I hate Jim Benning, I realize that. But don't mistake consensus within an echo chamber for reality.

Yes, Benning sucks and needs to go. But no, it is not productive to make up lies around how he's a cartoon version of a dumb person. I'm sure it's cathartic for some on here, but christ is it ever repetitive and pointless.
 
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And every 5th post from a Benning shill is them complaining and creating strawmans about posters on the board, ignoring any analysis or points made by other posters

It not productive to make lies about how the board is a cartoon version of a hate mob. I'm sure its cathartic for some on here, but it's annoying and frankly very tiring to read
 
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Benning responding to Green... when Green as asking for a new d-man to help boost our club....

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Scorvat said:
And every 5th post from a Benning shill is them complaining and creating strawmans about posters on the board, ignoring any analysis or points made by other posters

It not productive to make lies about how the board is a cartoon version of a hate mob. I'm sure its cathartic for some on here, but it's annoying and frankly very tiring to read
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Biting satire. And here I thought Oscar Wilde was dead .
 
VanJack said:
The Aquilini's tend to hire guys as their GM who basically are un-hirable once they get fired. It's significant that Gillis was sacked back in 2013 and hasn't worked in a front office since. And hands up anyone who thinks that Jim Benning will ever get another GM post once his tenure with the Canucks is mercifully over.

In the case of Gillis, on the surface it seems pretty incomprehensible that a guy who led the Canucks when they reached the Cup final and had not an insignificant amount of playoff success, hasn't landed anywhere Maybe the rest of the league knows what was apparent at the time.

The 2009-2012 teams were basically built by Burke and Nonis, and all Gillis really did was ride the gravy train until the roster aged out.
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It sucks that core really aged out, they had nothing left in the tank by the end of 2014.
 
MarkusNaslund19 said:
Again, it's like a disease on this forum where if you aren't saying Benning is responsible for world hunger you're a 'BANNIGN BRO!!11"

I'm saying yes, he sucks. But it's the people above him who are the real problem. I'm not saying a different owner should hire Benning because he is so great. Benning should be fired, full stop. I am choked that he hasn't been fired, and apparently there is no move to do so.

But obsessing over him like it's all him and things would be fine if he wasn't here is like discovering that strawberries give you hives and then thinking the solution is to keep eating strawberries and just cut off the parts of your skin with a rash.

Where my analogy is left a bit wanting is that we should ALSO fire Benning, whereas you wouldn't want to cut off your skin for a rash.

But seriously, me saying that Benning is a part of a much larger problem is not a defense of Benning. For christ's sake, I can't believe I have to explain that.
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Aqua just forces shortcuts and mandates. You really think Aqua knows no names like beagle and roussel and told Benning to overpay them? Imo Aqua didn’t allow a rebuild and he tells Benning to execute a retool and maybe get tougher. Benning miserably fails executing short sighted plan.

Aqua=Why we aren’t contender

Benning= why we’ve been a bottom 3 team for nearly a decade
 
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canuckking1 said:
Aqua just forces shortcuts and mandates. You really think Aqua knows no names like beagle and roussel and told Benning to overpay them? Imo Aqua didn’t allow a rebuild and he tells Benning to execute a retool and maybe get tougher. Benning miserably fails executing short sighted plan.

Aqua=Why we aren’t contender

Benning= why we’ve been a bottom 3 team for nearly a decade
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this is the biggest point

a competent GM wouldn't have traded for linden vey and adam clendening, he would have traded for good players buried in deep prospect pools.

for ex, philip danault was on the same AHL team as clendening, they were drafted in the same year. a year after the forsling deal, chicago eventually traded him to the habs with a second to rent tomas fleischmann and dale weise's corpses.

colin miller was on linden vey's AHL team. a year after the vey trade, he was the third piece, with martin jones and a 1st, to get lucic one year from UFA.

we could have easily traded that 2nd from the garrison trade for miller and forsling for danault. it's just bad talent evaluation.
 
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VanJack said:
The Aquilini's tend to hire guys as their GM who basically are un-hirable once they get fired. It's significant that Gillis was sacked back in 2013 and hasn't worked in a front office since. And hands up anyone who thinks that Jim Benning will ever get another GM post once his tenure with the Canucks is mercifully over.

In the case of Gillis, on the surface it seems pretty incomprehensible that a guy who led the Canucks when they reached the Cup final and had not an insignificant amount of playoff success, hasn't landed anywhere Maybe the rest of the league knows what was apparent at the time.

The 2009-2012 teams were basically built by Burke and Nonis, and all Gillis really did was ride the gravy train until the roster aged out.
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I think Gillis hasn’t been a GM since i) his reputation from his player agent days is held against him, ii) he has a cold and “smartest guy in the room” vibe about him, iii) he doesn’t need the money and would only take a role with the right organization that allow him to do things his way which includes some outside of the box ideas including management structure.

I don’t think him not GMing since is an indication that he is not an effective GM. He won GM of the year afterall, which is largely voted on by the other GMs across the league.

If he simply piggybacked off of Nonis/Burke, he would have not received recognition from his peers as being among their best GMs that year.

To give an example- there are GMs around the league that managed teams that had multiple cups won (Stan Bowman, Julien Briesois) under their management. Fairly certain they did not get top GM honours given this widely known that Tallon and Yzerman built those teams.

Acquiring a teams core is the important foundation for a teams success. I don’t think giving Nonis/Burke credit and acknowledging Mike Gillis was a good GM are mutually exclusive statements.
 
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You'd have thought the Canucks would have learned something from last season, particularly the absolute black hole that passes for communication with fans, media and season-ticket holders.

The problem is that once they let Linden go, there's basically no front man for this franchise. Benning avoids the media like the plague, either because he can't do it or won't do it. And simply put, he's terrible at it anyway.

The owner Francesco Aquilini might as well be Howard Hughes living on the top floor of the Bayshore Inn, for all the communicating he does. And of course all Travis Green can do is address what's happening on the ice. He has no control over the rest of it.

So it gives every impression of being a franchise in disarray and completely lacking in direction because there's nobody to explain anything. All you ever hear about are rumors or some leak about a coaching change; or the owner consulting with Geoff Courtnall or some other Canuck icon from the past.

I can't believe the Aquilini's operate the rest of their businesses this way.....but not knowing anything about their business empire, I suppose it's possible.
 
VanJack said:
You'd have thought the Canucks would have learned something from last season, particularly the absolute black hole that passes for communication with fans, media and season-ticket holders.

The problem is that once they let Linden go, there's basically no front man for this franchise. Benning avoids the media like the plague, either because he can't do it or won't do it. And simply put, he's terrible at it anyway.

The owner Francesco Aquilini might as well be Howard Hughes living on the top floor of the Bayshore Inn, for all the communicating he does. And of course all Travis Green can do is address what's happening on the ice. He has no control over the rest of it.

So it gives every impression of being a franchise in disarray and completely lacking in direction because there's nobody to explain anything. All you ever hear about are rumors or some leak about a coaching change; or the owner consulting with Geoff Courtnall or some other Canuck icon from the past.

I can't believe the Aquilini's operate the rest of their businesses this way.....but not knowing anything about their business empire, I suppose it's possible.
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Yes.
 
I can't believe my opinion of Aquaman is dropping even lower. Imagine thinking that doing nothing is the best option right now. Obviously there are worse options than that, but come on man. :help:
 
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