Post-Game Talk: NYR VS Sharks 10/23/17

[ltsthinaz]

I’d be willing to wager the Knights drop back to reality by mid season.

I wouldn’t use them as a benchmark.

Don't disagree, but my point was that they appear to be a cohesive team that works hard, that's why they're winning despite inferior talent. Rangers are the opposite.

 

[Nickmo82]

How has he ****ed this team?

What don’t you people get? This team was ****ed in 2014, and now they are rebuilding.

They will toss AV in the offseason.

He preaches a system wholly unsuited to the team. He overuses players who have no business evenbeing on an NHL team half the time. He benches young, talented players for great chunks of time.

It's like he is in his own, alternate reality.

He's like Hitler in his bunker, moving imaginary divisions around on a map.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Reg, I know you see the same things I do: they're overcommitting on the forecheck and chase players all over the defensive zone. Of course you're going to be a ****ty defensive team when you spend 75% of your time defending trying to chase the other guys around the ice. Who else in the league plays a system like that?

Because they suck as a unit.

When defensemen chase , it’s because they are behind the play. The follow decoys. They miss read the pivot and shooter in a formation.

That is a sign of defensive pair miscommunication and overall lack of defensive awareness or foot speed.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Don't disagree, but my point was that they appear to be a cohesive team that works hard, that's why they're winning despite inferior talent. Rangers are the opposite.

Yeah, but it’s due to novelty. Synergy is key to all teams. I’m saying I wouldn’t use them as a benchmark for long term synergy.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

He preaches a system wholly unsuited to the team. He overuses players who have no business evenbeing on an NHL team half the time. He benches young, talented players for great chunks of time.

It's like he is in his own, alternate reality.

He's like Hitler in his bunker, moving imaginary divisions around on a map.

The team is shit.

Dump him. I don’t know the guy. f*** him. I have enough problems.

But you can’t polish shit. This is a transition period.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

DeAngelo needs regular minutes.... If AV f***s this kid up and we trade him hes going to blow up on another team.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Eh, as many people who follow prospects have said, if the Rangers were going to suck for a year and get a high pick, this is the year to do it

If they don't turn it around by the end of November, that's when you begin the process of making people available. A full blown rebuild is dumb and unnecessary. The parts are here for the team to be great, stock up and be back better next year

If you walk into the draft with two 1st's and two or three 2nds, they would be in great shape. Take a defenseman, and take a forward with the two 1sts

 

[Blueshirt Special]

This is the Rangers. Those of you who have only been following this team for 20 years or less, well now you will come to understand: We don't win it all. Now you will understand why Messier is a God. This is sooo typical of this team to be "good" for years, and yet never win it all. This is what it means to be a Rangers Fan. It's purgatory. Coming close....

Now the Lundqvist era is over and we never won it all. Now we will suck for 7-8 years. We f***ing blew it.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

DeAngelo needs regular minutes.... If AV ****s this kid up and we trade him hes going to blow up on another team.

I agree he needs to play, but everyone needs to relax about him being traded. I've seen people freak out about this on twitter as well

Gorton said they liked him a lot, he's not going to trade him because the coach who will be gone by the end of the season won't give him minutes

DeAngelo is a piece of the future core with the younger guys like Chytil, Andersson, Shesty etc etc

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

This is the Rangers. Those of you who have only been following this team for 20 years or less, well now you will come to understand: We don't win it all. Now you will understand why Messier is a God. This is sooo typical of this team to be "good" for years, and yet never win it all. This is what it means to be a Rangers Fan. It's purgatory. Coming close....

Now the Lundqvist era is over and we never won it all. Now we will suck for 7-8 years. We ****ing blew it.

They won’t suck for 7-8 years if they don’t make knee jerk reactions.

I’m particularly leery of those types of moves due to social media pressure.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Because they suck as a unit.

When defensemen chase , it’s because they are behind the play. The follow decoys. They miss read the pivot and shooter in a formation.

That is a sign of defensive pair miscommunication and overall lack of defensive awareness or foot speed.

So they've sucked as a unit for three seasons now? This isn’t some new phenomena to RangersTown. Like I said before, what other team still plays man-to-man defenss?

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

So they've sucked as a unit for three seasons now? This isn’t some new phenomena to RangersTown. Like I said before, what other team still plays man-to-man defenss?

They suck way more than when they started to suck in 2015.

My point is people are misreading that they are playing true man to man coverage.

They are chasing because they don’t know what the f*** to do together, or they lack the foot speed.

For example, the Rangers have sucked on the Power Play for a long time because they lacked elite snipers. You can draw whatever X and O you want on the chalkboard.

 

[bernmeister]

Hopefully AV exits

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah we sucked all those years we went deeper than 90% of the league.

2013-14 and 2014-15 yes, and neither of those teams sucked.

15-16, we got our shit kicked in round 1 and 16-17 Hank stole a series.

Yup.

Way, way easier to play P2W in Baseball.

For example, look at Major League Baseball since it existed.

The Yankees have been shedding money for years and look how far they went. P2W is a bullshit excuse that fans of bad teams use.

 

[Machinehead]

DeAngelo looks much better than Skjei, although he obviously makes mistakes too.

Making mistakes is like shitting for a defenseman.

It stinks, but it's part of your day.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

2013-14 and 2014-15 yes, and neither of those teams sucked.

15-16, we got our **** kicked in round 1 and 16-17 Hank stole a series.


The Yankees have been shedding money for years and look how far they went. P2W is a bull**** excuse that fans of bad teams use.

Yeah well you also said how shitty we were even when we were good. We weren’t the right type of good.

In fact, you made a nice meal of your mullet one year for that.

And historically Baseball is pay to win. It’s harder for the old school payers to outspend because of the money shift in the US.

Houston , Texas isn’t exactly cow fields these days.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah well you also said how ****ty we were even when we were good. We weren’t the right type of good.

In fact, you made a nice meal of your mullet one year for that.

And historically Baseball is pay to win. It’s harder for the old school payers to outspend because of the money shift in the US.

Houston , Texas isn’t exactly cow fields these days.

Yeah, pay to win is why the Yankees farm system is the f***ing jewel of professional sports.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Yeah, pay to win is why the Yankees farm system is the ****ing jewel of professional sports.

I’m talking about historically.

Anyway, the point way, way easier to pay to win in Baseball than hockey.

I mean the championship series featured 4 of the top 6 richest cities.

Anyway, I’m ‎(ﾉಥ益ಥ）ﾉ ┻━┻ as f*** about the Yankees shitting out. Don’t take me out of context.

 

[Machinehead]

I’m talking about historically.

Anyway, the point was it’s easier to pay in Baseball than hockey.

I mean the championship series featured 4 of the top 6 richest cities.

Anyway, I’m ‎(ﾉಥ益ಥ）ﾉ ┻━┻ as **** about the Yankees ****ting out. Don’t take me out of context.

In the NHL, small cities like Chicago and LA win the Cup.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

In the NHL, small cities like Chicago and LA win the Cup.

Yeah well more Pittsburgh and Greenbay type towns win in hockey and football.

And up until the last decade, both Chicago and RangerTown™ had some of the worst success in post expansion history.

The Kings also shit the bed to the Habs after buying Gretzky and his homeboys.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah well more Pittsburgh and Greenbay type towns win in hockey and football.

Oh yeah, I know what you mean. Towns like Kansas City

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Oh yeah, I know what you mean. Towns like Kansas City

Eright. You and I have once again returned to is water wet territory.

Night head.

 

[Machinehead]

Eright. You and I have once again returned to is water wet territory.

Night head.

You might trouble with "is water wet" because you keep saying baseball has no salary cap when in fact, it does. It's just a different system that allows more freedom and creativity, and promotes more parity, more team growth, more competitiveness, rewards drafting, and ultimately, results in a better product.

The NHL's forced poverty system penalizes drafting because you can't keep your whole core, promotes constant roster upheaval, and discourages attempts to take a good team into greatness through the market. What results is a mediocre league where every team has gaping flaws. The World Series is shaping up to be one of the best ever. The Stanley Cup Finals is six games that feel like regular season games between "team that can't defend" and "team that can't score" because you're lucky if the cap let's you ice half an elite roster. The one good thing it's supposed to do is extreme parity, and that has been a massive failure, with the same three boring ass teams passing the Cup around for ten years. Baseball has WAY more parity.

And while teams are forced into on-ice poverty, individual players are getting overpaid at an all-time rate. You know what that means? Hooray, another lengthy work stoppage in the near future! The salary cap is going to kill this league in our lifetimes.

 

[TheTakedown]

Reg, I know you see the same things I do: they're overcommitting on the forecheck and chase players all over the defensive zone. Of course you're going to be a ****ty defensive team when you spend 75% of your time defending trying to chase the other guys around the ice. Who else in the league plays a system like that?

And that's all on AV...

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

You don’t think a heart to heart bongo session will get this stinking pile of ass going?

Have faith.

If that was the case I would probably burn the bongos in front of them and show them how to play in the neutral zone. Then make them look at it like Clockword Orange.