Post-Game Talk: NYR VS Sharks 10/23/17

[Mac n Gs]

Trying to stay in that same boat. Though it's hard to see any silver linings with the way this team is playing.

Something tells me that if they lose to the Yotes later this week, that will spell the end of AV's tenure here. Then it'll be time to see how the team does under a new regime, and with our luck it'll be just good enough to be a bubble team.

This is my fear as well, depending on who the new coach is. The obvious heir apparent is Ruff, who I think can do a good job if he keeps it close to how he coached early in his tenure in Dallas. Those teams were fun to watch and got sunk by awful goaltending.

The bright side is, I think the pieces are there and believe we'd be poised for a quick turnaround in a year or two. Igor, LA, and Chytil, Buch, and Skjei can add some serious talent from the net out, along with further development from Mika, Hayes, Vesey, and ADA. I'm down for now, but I don't think a scorched earth policy is necessary. Add some more picks, reaaaaaaaallllly try to get another up and comer kid like Henrik Borgstrom or someone else of that caliber, and keep trucking away. I unfortunately think we're gonna see another trade of the Stepan caliber, but c'est la vie.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

And some people even pine for Girardi. We'd probably be 0-10 with him instead of Shattenkirk.

Girardi is bouncing back and having a solid season because he's playing in a system that isn't garbage. If he were still on this team he'd be just as bad as he has been.

 

[Machinehead]

Girardi is bouncing back and having a solid season because he's playing in a system that isn't garbage. If he were still on this team he'd be just as bad as he has been.

Girardi was good his first 4 games with Tampa.

He's been an atrocity since then like he usually is.

 

[ponytrekker]

Brady Skjei played 14 minutes...

14 Noticeable minutes if you werent chewing Khat like AV.

 

[Trxjw]

Hell you can even add the Oilers who were a laughingstock on HF until they connected with a Hail Mary to get a 4th crack at a 1st overall player worth his salt who also happened to be the best player since some poorly mustachioed guy in Pittsburgh.

This is a totally fair point, but the Rangers, despite all of their flaws, have a much better supporting cast in place than the Oilers did. They have a good crop of young, experienced NHLers, and some decent pieces in the pipeline. Including arguably one of the best goaltenders in the world who is not in the NHL.

A top pick isn't a magic bullet, but adding an elite player to the lineup at any position would be a huge win for this team and it's future.

 

[Bob Richards]

This is a totally fair point, but the Rangers, despite all of their flaws, have a much better supporting cast in place than the Oilers did. They have a good crop of young, experienced NHLers, and some decent pieces in the pipeline. Including arguably one of the best goaltenders in the world who is not in the NHL.

A top pick isn't a magic bullet, but adding an elite player to the lineup at any position would be a huge win for this team and it's future.

I don't want anyone to mistake my words for a disregarding of the validity of draft stock.

It was more of just a musing (read: me bitching) about the site wide belief that tanking is this catch-all super tactic

 

[LeetchisGod]

This is a totally fair point, but the Rangers, despite all of their flaws, have a much better supporting cast in place than the Oilers did. They have a good crop of young, experienced NHLers, and some decent pieces in the pipeline. Including arguably one of the best goaltenders in the world who is not in the NHL.

A top pick isn't a magic bullet, but adding an elite player to the lineup at any position would be a huge win for this team and it's future.

Glad that someone gets it.

 

[NYR]

Some people are just completely blinded by those stats even when reality speaks to the contrary.
Give me a break LOL

 

[Trxjw]

This is my fear as well, depending on who the new coach is. The obvious heir apparent is Ruff, who I think can do a good job if he keeps it close to how he coached early in his tenure in Dallas. Those teams were fun to watch and got sunk by awful goaltending.

The bright side is, I think the pieces are there and believe we'd be poised for a quick turnaround in a year or two. Igor, LA, and Chytil, Buch, and Skjei can add some serious talent from the net out, along with further development from Mika, Hayes, Vesey, and ADA. I'm down for now, but I don't think a scorched earth policy is necessary. Add some more picks, reaaaaaaaallllly try to get another up and comer kid like Henrik Borgstrom or someone else of that caliber, and keep trucking away. I unfortunately think we're gonna see another trade of the Stepan caliber, but c'est la vie.

Completely agree. They did an admirable job of adding some solid pieces to the pipeline this summer, and they have a good group of young players on the roster right now. Zib, Kreider, Buch, Miller, Hayes, Vesey, Fast, Skjei, and ADA are all very solid pieces to build up from. Shesty looks incredibly promising. There are some good supporting pieces in Hartford. Chytil and Andersson should be good players. What they need now are those elite players.

And like you said, one or two shrewd adds (Bjorgstrom would be a very solid pickup) could help to bolster the base even further.

 

[Trxjw]

I don't want anyone to mistake my words for a disregarding of the validity of draft stock.

It was more of just a musing (read: me *****ing) about the site wide belief that tanking is this catch-all super tactic

Totally fair.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

It is not a bonding issue, these guys are vastly out of shape for how they should be playing and unprepared for a lot of these games. They need to be on lockdown as of now.

You don’t think a heart to heart bongo session will get this stinking pile of ass going?

Have faith.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I’ll feel worse when he’s coaching in Montreal

He’s not going back to the Habs.

But he might be the new coach of the Lé Islanders in Quebec.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Completely agree. They did an admirable job of adding some solid pieces to the pipeline this summer, and they have a good group of young players on the roster right now. Zib, Kreider, Buch, Miller, Hayes, Vesey, Fast, Skjei, and ADA are all very solid pieces to build up from. Shesty looks incredibly promising. There are some good supporting pieces in Hartford. Chytil and Andersson should be good players. What they need now are those elite players.

And like you said, one or two shrewd adds (Bjorgstrom would be a very solid pickup) could help to bolster the base even further.

Yup, but the biggest question is where to find that type of talent. Just to throw out another college kid, Adam Gaudette is another one I'd love to find a way to get. Another huge wild card is Sean Day who has so much tantalizing talent, but the kid has rocks for brains. Gorton's MO has been kids with size, speed, and skill who are all very skilled at controlling the puck through the neutral zone. There's a lot of interesting pieces that can play a unique style of hockey, but that's all just an idea until proven otherwise.

 

[aufheben]

When the highlight of attending a game in person is introducing a fellow message board moderator to your mom, you know you're not witnessing anything of quality. Sorry, @aufheben.

Don't tell your mom my favorite part of the game was Tara Lipinski.

Also, sweet Jesus is the pre-game light-fest ever getting nutty. Shit's gonna give some poor kid a seizure one day. The Rangers brought dishonor to that light-show.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I was at the Golden Knights game SAturday against St. Louis. The team, with vastly less talent than the Rangers, is 6-1. They play hard, are cohesive, beat a very good Blues team even with their 3rd goalie.

Then I watch this stuff tonight. No energy, no speed (on a team supposedly the fastest in the league), all one-on-one play, pass when they should shoot, shoot when they should pass, power play way too predictable, that's why they're 0 for 6.

I don't believe in tanking for draft picks, but I do believe this team is very poorly coached, and the players are literally tanking to get the coach fired, particularly guys like Kreider. I always liked AV's emphasis on speed, but his man-love of certain players (Staal, Nash, DD) and his refusal to let the kids play and make mistakes is maddening and fireable.

I’d be willing to wager the Knights drop back to reality by mid season.

I wouldn’t use them as a benchmark.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Eh, people always used to say "their analytics only suck because they're always winning" and then we get to the playoffs and we find out we actually suck.

Yeah we sucked all those years we went deeper than 90% of the league.

 

[Bob Richards]

Also, Trautwig's interest in Steve's anecdote during one of the intermissions was somewhere between C-SPAN reruns and placing your hand into a drill press.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Why are the Rangers above tanking? Because they play in "The Worlds Most Famous Arena"? This franchise is way too arrogant for its own good.

How you gonna move those chicken tenders friend?

I’m all ears.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

It's not about the Rangers specifically. I would imagine that any professional athlete would be really upset if management told them to throw games.

Aha.

See the Penguins figured out that if you intentionally make the worst teams on Earth, they lose even when trying.

Go Pens Go!

 

[Nickmo82]

I really fail to see the point of sticking with AV any longer? The season is out of reach, barring a minor miracle. AV f***ing sucks. He's a disaster. Everything he did bad last year in the Ottawa series, he is still doing now. JG took his toys away, but he went out and found new ones.

People who think the team should keep plugging away and hope for improvement are basically asking for the team to finish in the 18-20 range and have no shot at adding a real difference maker for the future.

The future is where this team needs to be looking, because with AV here the present is a tyre fire.

Have any of you seen anything from this team, from the net out, that makes you think playing at 102 pace is even remotely possible? This team is yet to even play a complete 60 minutes. They've spotted teams a 1 or 2 goal lead in pretty much every damn game.

AV has f***ed this team... and the fact we still see so much of Staal, Holden and DD over Buch, Skjei and DeAngelo means he's having a good try at f***ing the future too.

I can't wait until he's gone.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

They haven’t had a losing season because there’s no cap in baseball. You can buy enough talent to stay afloat. Can’t do that in hockey. But with way they knew getting financial flexibility along with stocking up on young talent was the only measure for long term success. So they were sellers at the dead line.

Yup.

Way, way easier to play P2W in Baseball.

For example, look at Major League Baseball since it existed.

 

[aufheben]

McDonagh has been much, much better than average this season. The only problem with our D has been Skjei, who, like another poster pointed out, keeps getting a free pass.

DeAngelo looks much better than Skjei, although he obviously makes mistakes too.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

This is my fear as well, depending on who the new coach is. The obvious heir apparent is Ruff, who I think can do a good job if he keeps it close to how he coached early in his tenure in Dallas. Those teams were fun to watch and got sunk by awful goaltending.

The bright side is, I think the pieces are there and believe we'd be poised for a quick turnaround in a year or two. Igor, LA, and Chytil, Buch, and Skjei can add some serious talent from the net out, along with further development from Mika, Hayes, Vesey, and ADA. I'm down for now, but I don't think a scorched earth policy is necessary. Add some more picks, reaaaaaaaallllly try to get another up and comer kid like Henrik Borgstrom or someone else of that caliber, and keep trucking away. I unfortunately think we're gonna see another trade of the Stepan caliber, but c'est la vie.

The defense has also been shit, so they might toss Lindy in the garbage too.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I really fail to see the point of sticking with AV any longer? The season is out of reach, barring a minor miracle. AV ****ing sucks. He's a disaster. Everything he did bad last year in the Ottawa series, he is still doing now. JG took his toys away, but he went out and found new ones.

People who think the team should keep plugging away and hope for improvement are basically asking for the team to finish in the 18-20 range and have no shot at adding a real difference maker for the future.

The future is where this team needs to be looking, because with AV here the present is a tyre fire.

Have any of you seen anything from this team, from the net out, that makes you think playing at 102 pace is even remotely possible? This team is yet to even play a complete 60 minutes. They've spotted teams a 1 or 2 goal lead in pretty much every damn game.

AV has ****ed this team... and the fact we still see so much of Staal, Holden and DD over Buch, Skjei and DeAngelo means he's having a good try at ****ing the future too.

I can't wait until he's gone.

How has he f***ed this team?

What don’t you people get? This team was f***ed in 2014, and now they are rebuilding.

They will toss AV in the offseason.

 

[Mac n Gs]

The defense has also been ****, so they might toss Lindy in the garbage too.

Reg, I know you see the same things I do: they're overcommitting on the forecheck and chase players all over the defensive zone. Of course you're going to be a shitty defensive team when you spend 75% of your time defending trying to chase the other guys around the ice. Who else in the league plays a system like that?