Post-Game Talk: NYR VS Sharks 10/23/17
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Oscar Lindberg
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Here’s Larry’s newest article
He says this season has a similar feeling to the 75-76 team
http://nypost.com/2017/10/24/tailspin-could-force-rangers-to-face-an-uncomfortable-reality/
Hopefully Gorton isn’t on the hot seat as Brooks was kinda posturing. He has been cleaning up Sather’s mess the best he can
He says this season has a similar feeling to the 75-76 team
http://nypost.com/2017/10/24/tailspin-could-force-rangers-to-face-an-uncomfortable-reality/
Hopefully Gorton isn’t on the hot seat as Brooks was kinda posturing. He has been cleaning up Sather’s mess the best he can
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Gorton fired? I would be surprised, but his offseason wasn't as great as some here thought, IMO.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
The Rangers have had many shitty seasons.
Dan Boyle's numero uno amigo is going on a stretch here for clickbait by insinuating the "Eddie, Eddie, Eddie!", and the possible departure of the King.
The Lundqvist Stanley Cup carry era ended a few years ago when Rick Nash wooed us with his things and stuff®.
And the mid 70s trade was stupid. The cat freaked out, and he got canned anyway. Esposito didn't want to play here.
And we would be flipping Nick Holden instead of Brad Park.
Dan was right all along...
Revel
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Brutal. He's not wrong to worry. I wonder if Brooks writes articles like this in hopes that they motivate players to prove him wrong. We know that he knows that players read his column.
At the end of the day, you have to respect Brooks a bit for calling a spade a spade...
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ponytrekker
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He preaches a system no longer suited to the nhl. News flas everyone has figured out av.
JHS
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DeAngelo is terrible right now. He should be in Hartford learning the game.
I was at the game last night. Been to many Rangers games and last night was the toughest to watch. Hank looks brutal, slow to react, struggling to get up after making saves and just seems totally old all of a sudden. 3 of the 4 goals were directly on him. I'm a huge Hank fan and never believe critiquing the goalie is really appropriate but with a solid effort the Rangers maybe should have lost 2-1. He did make several nice stops too but there is no consistency in his game at all!
The other major noticeably flaw with the team is they simply don't pass the puck well. So many passes are not tape to tape and not placed in a spot where people can do anything with the pass even after they catch it( like in their feet or passed to the backhand side.) The Rangers move the puck around well( meaning their are options to pass to and they are finding the open guys-- a sign to me that this is not a coaching issue) but the execution is horrendous.
I've been a huge AV guy and still believe he is a terrific coach that will land on his feet. I agree that something has to give though. The team looks and feels awful right now.
In reality though, I'm just so confused about where this team is heading. It seems to me like they are rebuilding and have given Hank no chance at the cup in his career. That's kind of sad but I can see what the powers that be are seeing too. He's certainly not looking any younger!
I miss Dan Boyle at least some drama when they can`t play hockey. I had a lunch about two hours ago watching Rangers and that was a mistake. 6/0 on PP - we barely create anything 5 v 5 and we can`t setup anything on PP - fire the PP coach - I`ve been asking for this in 3 years now. It`s so obvious the backhand pass to Zib or Zucc to setup - they need to move players for some creativity and guys who can finish plays.
AV need to shuffle the lines, because it`s hot garbage, and I don`t like Staal with K. Shattenkirk, it`s really bad especially when the Zib line was playing, Staal seldom get to blueline to support offensive zone play. Staal had a good start, but he is a horrific hockey defender - at least limit his ice time to 3rd pair role.
Ryan Mc. has been a big failure as cpt. and player this season - not sure what is going on with him.
We`ve 3 easy games on our schedule, and that`s an ideal start for a new coach - AV pack your bags pls. and move to Canada.
AV need to shuffle the lines, because it`s hot garbage, and I don`t like Staal with K. Shattenkirk, it`s really bad especially when the Zib line was playing, Staal seldom get to blueline to support offensive zone play. Staal had a good start, but he is a horrific hockey defender - at least limit his ice time to 3rd pair role.
Ryan Mc. has been a big failure as cpt. and player this season - not sure what is going on with him.
We`ve 3 easy games on our schedule, and that`s an ideal start for a new coach - AV pack your bags pls. and move to Canada.
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Mac n Gs
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Reg, you’re still not answering my question. It’s a tactically flawed system, which I’ve laid out my thoughts about why. I’m asking you about other teams that play that way. They didn’t just start chasing people around this season. It’s been for three years now.
I wish I could like this post 1000 times.
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This thing can be sliced 9 ways to Sunday, but the bottom line is the team can't finish plays. They create as many scoring chances as they give up to or create for the opponent on their own volition. If they can put the puck in the net, maybe we have a .500 or slightly above .500 record at this point instead of 2-6-2. They move the puck well enough offensively but watching them shoot into the goalie or missing wide by a mile is flaming garbage.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
The league has been the best financially than it's ever been.
The league almost collapsed before the cap, hence why they umm..instated the cap.
What exactly are you up voting X1000 ?
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ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
I listed our discussion.
I'm saying the defense have looked and bad, and worse year by year since 2015 because the unit got worse and worse since 2015 due to injury, age, or player movement.
I explained why I felt they were "chasing".
Note: When I say the defensive unit got worse. I mean they were good at some point [i.e results] not "oh my god they where always whack [i.e. internet opinion of yeah the results were great but I didn't like the numbers on my excel sheet then].
Ruff is also doing the defense no?
Anyway, which other systems are you referring to?
eco's bones
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I don't know what it is with Henrik--he still makes a lot of wonderful saves but it is like every game there are one or two moments when he just falls asleep and sometimes it's early.
There was no doubt who was the better goalie last night and as on most nights so far the better goalie hasn't been Lundqvist. When our team is handicapping the other side to early leads and 2 or 3 goal leads and when it's being submarined by poor performance from it's best player and on ice leader then it's not surprising at least to me that the team has lost confidence in itself.
IMO--it's already a long year and whether we're a bottom feeder all year long (which I doubt) I don't see us as a playoff caliber team. Whatever we do--don't trade that first round draft pick.
There was no doubt who was the better goalie last night and as on most nights so far the better goalie hasn't been Lundqvist. When our team is handicapping the other side to early leads and 2 or 3 goal leads and when it's being submarined by poor performance from it's best player and on ice leader then it's not surprising at least to me that the team has lost confidence in itself.
IMO--it's already a long year and whether we're a bottom feeder all year long (which I doubt) I don't see us as a playoff caliber team. Whatever we do--don't trade that first round draft pick.
HFsNumber1Heel
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They clearly don't trust Pavelec or he'd be playing more than 1x in ten games. There are some really bad teams coming up and in my opinion if he doesn't start at least once, there's a huge trust issue. Kuemper was my choice to be backup and he got paid much less to play in LA. Lundqvist can't play 70 regular games anymore, more like 55 max which he is going to well exceed this season. They need to sign a younger more athletic goalie who can handle 25 games next season, even if the AAV for the one year is higher.
PlamsUnlimited
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Screw the "league". I care about the New York Rangers, not the NHL. The cap was instituted because there were too many owners that were whining about "losing money" and "not being able to compete". Guess what? Even after the cap, many of these same franchises are losing money and not competing. For all the talk about "parity", there are only a few teams that are winning. The "league" would be better off with 5 to 7 fewer teams.
Success in the NHL is now determined more by the luck of the draw than it is by building a team. Franchises can't necessarily develop and keep talent because a really good young player commands high dollars after his ELC runs out. That money is eaten instead of being able to sign a veteran that can mesh with the young team. So there is really no way for any team to go more than two lines deep and four D deep. And if a team has a high priced goaltender? Oops.
This ensures a steady flow of third and fourth line plugs called "depth" players, rather than actual players that are developing. Sure, some teams "get lucky" with younger players they penciled in as pluggers, but actually are good. For example, Pittsburgh didn't necessarily win with just Crosby and Malkin. They found a Guentzel, Rowney, and Sheary. Those guys weren't high picks, and they aren't exactly great players. Just happens that they are slightly better than the average third line clown who skates for 30 other teams in the league.
Baseball actually rewards talent. Hockey rewards luck.
They shipped Raanta out and brought in Pavelec meant that they didn't see just how poor Lundqvist has been the past two seasons. Either that contract is truly an albatross, or they just refuse to believe the guy is just about done. Really poor asset management in net in the off season.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
The teams were losing money. Not “money”. It wasn’t theoretical. The league actually almost collapsed.
Several teams moved out of full Canadian arenas because they couldn’t raise tickets enough or build suites to finance their teams.
For the most part, the most successful teams in the new era have been the ones who did best in the draft.
That has been an issue since at least the last time the Penguins tanked for Lemeiux.
It’s no more luck now than it was then.
The NHL is now more solvent , nationally exposed, and Richer than it’s ever been.
Historically babseball has been pay to progress , and since the luxury cap era, at most 1-2 World Series teams had under $100 million dollar pay rolls. The Phillies were pretty damn close to $100 million their year.
Several teams moved out of full Canadian arenas because they couldn’t raise tickets enough or build suites to finance their teams.
For the most part, the most successful teams in the new era have been the ones who did best in the draft.
That has been an issue since at least the last time the Penguins tanked for Lemeiux.
It’s no more luck now than it was then.
The NHL is now more solvent , nationally exposed, and Richer than it’s ever been.
Historically babseball has been pay to progress , and since the luxury cap era, at most 1-2 World Series teams had under $100 million dollar pay rolls. The Phillies were pretty damn close to $100 million their year.
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That or Gorton knew this was going to be a transition year and part of trading Stepan was moving Raanta. If he knew this was going to be a rebuilding year then why not include him to get that deal done?
Also, Raanta is injured so he wouldn't be helping curently
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You could make the point that he wouldn't have picked up that injury if he stayed with the Rangers.
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