Confirmed with Link: NYR/OTT: Namestnikov ($750K retained) to Ottawa for 2021 4th Rnd pick and Nick Ebert

[nyr2k2]

I've always felt as if while their may not be an exact "roadmap" in place, the FO has a general idea of what they want to accomplish. Namestnikov dropped in the lineup, they found a deal they felt comfortable with, and they moved on it. Fine by me. I wasn't really expecting him to get more than a third at best unless he had some kind of crazy year, so this is fine.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Really? If the right young center who could slide in behind Zibanejad and work with Kreider and Kakko became available, you'd be against that move?

I’m against the lack of patience

 

[Ghost of jas]

I've always felt as if while their may not be an exact "roadmap" in place, the FO has a general idea of what they want to accomplish. Namestnikov dropped in the lineup, they found a deal they felt comfortable with, and they moved on it. Fine by me. I wasn't really expecting him to get more than a third at best unless he had some kind of crazy year, so this is fine.

Ottawa's 4th is this year is likely just about the equivalent of a late 3rd.

 

[Tawnos]

No, you can absolutely bank cap space (but not LTIR space).

Imagine the cap is 100 million and there are 200 days in the season. The team can spend up to 500k per day. Let's say the team spends 475k per day for the first 100 days. That means they can then spend 525k per day for the remaining 100 days. We banked 25k for 100 days, which is an extra 2.5 mil.

I understand what the concept of banking space is.
Im also like 95% sure that when the cap was introduced, it was specifically mentioned that this is NOT the way it works.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I’m against the lack of patience

Were you against the Panarin signing and Trouba trade? I don't remember.

 

[Edge]

Not that I’m really complaining, value isn’t too surprising, but was the immediate cap space that necessary?

Gut reaction is why not try to flip him at the deadline with the hope of getting more? Not that it’s a huge deal.

If I were to guess, I’d say that the Rangers have had minimal interest for a while and when someone nibbled, they pulled the trigger rather than not being able to move him down the line when perhaps there is a chance to take on a salary.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Were you against the Panarin signing and Trouba trade? I don't remember.

I very much was, but I was fine with the eventual price paid for Trouba

 

[FIRE DRURY]

No, you can absolutely bank cap space (but not LTIR space).

Imagine the cap is 100 million and there are 200 days in the season. The team can spend up to 500k per day. Let's say the team spends 475k per day for the first 100 days. That means they can then spend 525k per day for the remaining 100 days. We banked 25k for 100 days, which is an extra 2.5 mil.

Nerd. Thanks!

 

[Edge]

I know it's early, but, hockey seasons are not static. I know many of us think this team is at best a fringe playoff team. But, each season takes on a life of its own. Pittsburgh has already lost Malkin for an extended time. And, the Rangers are watching Zibanejad possibly reach another level, Panarin smoothly fit in, and Trouba look like he's going to be worth what the price they paid. They see the holes, and while I'm not saying screw the rebuild, if the proper opportunity presents itself to acquire the right piece that fits the plan, who knows where things go from here. Gorton has almost certainly gauged the market, and knows who he can target and the likely price for that player.

It’s cringeworthy, but this team could very well rise and fall on Zibanejad.

If he’s a constant threat, and a legit 90 point player, that likely means Panarin is better than a point per game player as well. Now you have a fighting chance in some games.

If he gets knocked out for any extended period of time, which isn’t a foreign concept, suddenly the Rangers center depth/proven talent becomes a critical issue.

And that’s the difference between fighting for a playoff spot, and deciding which player you want to take at the top of the draft.

 

[Tob]

Kind of a little bit of everything trade. DQ had no use for Vlad. Kids need more minutes. We need cap space. Bottom 6 players with no defensive repertoire get zero action at the deadline. We only retained $750K, clearing a spot for Chytil/Krav. Got something in return. Management did well enough with the chess board moves over the summer. I don't mind a few on the fly decisions to solve a short term problem.

 

[Rempe73]

Ooof

I like Namestnikov. How much of a bummer for him. Goes from being on the best line in hockey on a Stanley cup contender, to a rebuilding team, to an even worse rebuilding team

Yea it sucks but I mean other than his first game with us, he hasn’t impressed me whatsoever.

Basically, he hasn’t earned anything really.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I know it's early, but, hockey seasons are not static. I know many of us think this team is at best a fringe playoff team. But, each season takes on a life of its own. Pittsburgh has already lost Malkin for an extended time. And, the Rangers are watching Zibanejad possibly reach another level, Panarin smoothly fit in, and Trouba look like he's going to be worth what the price they paid. They see the holes, and while I'm not saying screw the rebuild, if the proper opportunity presents itself to acquire the right piece that fits the plan, who knows where things go from here. Gorton has almost certainly gauged the market, and knows who he can target and the likely price for that player.

Really? If the right young center who could slide in behind Zibanejad and work with Kreider and Kakko became available, you'd be against that move?

I’m against the lack of patience

I mean, as with every other deal, it all depends on the details, right?

Are we giving up our 1st + Miller for Getzlaf? Hell no.
Can we get Dvorak for Strome + Lindgren? Absolutely.

 

[bl02]

I hope this move was just to move along a guy Gorton/Quinn thought we could replace with someone who would be more effective/cheaper in a bottom 6 role. Like a Mckegg.
I truly hope its not to go searching and probably overpaying with young assets/picks to get a second line center.
no touching our first this year (not sure if we even have our second this year...carolina gets it in the Fox move) or prospects we've accumulated over last few years.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I very much was, but I was fine with the eventual price paid for Trouba

Well, I admit I was against the Panarin signing. And. this is what my concern about the signing would have as an effect going forward. The dynamic has been changed. If you now have the elite 1C, an elite winger to go with him, and the top end 1D in Trouba, you're not necessarily in patient rebuild mode anymore, are you? How does this impact decision regarding the make up of the team change when these aspects start to emerge? It almost certainly changes the trajectory. Do they start seeing if they can make a move for an LD that fits next to Trouba? Do they target a young 2c who is established as an NHL player? Do they self-rent Kreider? Like I said, the Panarin signing changed the dynamics of this "build".

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Ottawa's 4th is this year is likely just about the equivalent of a late 3rd.

It’s a 4th round pick next year though. Still, they should suck plenty of ass in 2021 too.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I understand what the concept of banking space is.
Im also like 95% sure that when the cap was introduced, it was specifically mentioned that this is NOT the way it works.

I’ll trust Gagline over pretty much anybody on this forum when it comes down to the nerdy stuff.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I very much was, but I was fine with the eventual price paid for Trouba

Likewise. 100%.

I’m starting to come around on Panarin though, which I didn’t think was possible.

 

[Ghost of jas]

It’s cringeworthy, but this team could very well rise and fall on Zibanejad.

If he’s a constant threat, and a legit 90 point player, that likely means Panarin is better than a point per game player as well. Now you have a fighting chance in some games.

If he gets knocked out for any extended period of time, which isn’t a foreign concept, suddenly the Rangers center depth/proven talent becomes a critical issue.

And, what if management sees the opportunity to get a "better than average" center to put between Kreider and Kakko? Maybe they think the fighting chance goes up even higher. This is why we believed the Panarin signing was going to change the dynamic of the "build".

And that’s the difference between fighting for a playoff spot, and deciding which player you want to take at the top of the draft.

And, that's what the NHL has become.

 

[Lion Hound]

Rangers bought high, and sold low. It doesn't matter much though. Club committed to a rebuild, and Namestnikov the player didn't really hamper the development of others. Not sure if he helped much either. At 4mil or whatever the paycheck was the player was very expendable. I wish the guy well.


Have a weird feeling the Rangers are going to buy at the deadline.

 

[Tob]

let's revisit this at the DL. Vlad would have tanked and gotten 15-20 points on this roster by the deadline. Not sure what 50% retained Vlad would have been able to get.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Both Namestnikov and Spooner were young productive players at the time of the trades. The Rangers were stripping down the roster and needed NHL-level players. They weren't going to ice an AHL-level roster. And, if either one of them found a place going forward, all the better. Yes, both were overpaid. But, the perceived damage is minimal.

 

[Tawnos]

I’ll trust Gagline over pretty much anybody on this forum when it comes down to the nerdy stuff.

In thinking about it, it’s very possible that the no-banking thing was true in the 2005 CBA and isn’t true anymore in the 2013 CBA. The same thing happened with the term “extension.” In the 05 CBA, there was no such thing. You had one contract and they you had a new, different contract. Language defining extensions appeared in the 2013 CBA.

I will say that I was pretty expert in the 2005 CBA. Enough so that it was one of the reasons Fugu and Killion wanted me as a mod on the Business section. Or so they told me. I remember seeing over and over a reminder that there is no banking in the NHL. But admittedly, I have never been quite up to the same speed on the 2013 agreement and sometimes assume that they didn’t change things they might have.

 

[NYR]

It’s cringeworthy, but this team could very well rise and fall on Zibanejad.

If he’s a constant threat, and a legit 90 point player, that likely means Panarin is better than a point per game player as well. Now you have a fighting chance in some games.

If he gets knocked out for any extended period of time, which isn’t a foreign concept, suddenly the Rangers center depth/proven talent becomes a critical issue.

And that’s the difference between fighting for a playoff spot, and deciding which player you want to take at the top of the draft.

Stars and moons lol

 

[darko]

Ooof

I like Namestnikov. How much of a bummer for him. Goes from being on the best line in hockey on a Stanley cup contender, to a rebuilding team, to an even worse rebuilding team

The way he's playing his next stop could be KHL.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Well, I admit I was against the Panarin signing. And. this is what my concern about the signing would have as an effect going forward. The dynamic has been changed. If you now have the elite 1C, an elite winger to go with him, and the top end 1D in Trouba, you're not necessarily in patient rebuild mode anymore, are you? How does this impact decision regarding the make up of the team change when these aspects start to emerge? It almost certainly changes the trajectory. Do they start seeing if they can make a move for an LD that fits next to Trouba? Do they target a young 2c who is established as an NHL player? Do they self-rent Kreider? Like I said, the Panarin signing changed the dynamics of this "build".

Hmmm, I was told time and time again last year that signing Panarin wouldn’t change expectations, so it can’t be that