Confirmed with Link: NYR/OTT: Namestnikov ($750K retained) to Ottawa for 2021 4th Rnd pick and Nick Ebert

[Ghost of jas]

Hmmm, I was told time and time again last year that signing Panarin wouldn’t change expectations, so it can’t be that

Funny how that works, right? But, here we are.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

let's revisit this at the DL. Vlad would have tanked and gotten 15-20 points on this roster by the deadline. Not sure what 50% retained Vlad would have been able to get.

Not that it really matters but at worst they would get a deal similar to this

Players worse than Namestnikov go for more at the deadline

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Good he was horrible.

 

[Tawnos]

Hmmm, I was told time and time again last year that signing Panarin wouldn’t change expectations, so it can’t be that

I still don’t think it’s changed anything about the operation of the team. They’re not making any moves geared specifically towards improving their record *this* season. If a move for the future happens to improve the team this year, but also improves the team moving beyond this year, they won’t hesitate to make that move. Like Panarin and Trouba. Who knows, maybe a Dylan Strome type of situation is lurking out there somewhere.

Quinn says he wants to make the playoffs. That’s his job. It’s important for the coach to set a goal, even if the goal is unattainable. Failure is a good teacher.

Meanwhile JD continues to preach patience. Gorton continues to preach patience. That the front office is pro-active doesn’t mean anything has changed.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I still don’t think it’s changed anything about the operation of the team. They’re not making any moves geared specifically towards improving their record *this* season. If a move for the future happens to improve the team this year, but also improves the team moving beyond this year, they won’t hesitate to make that move. Like Panarin and Trouba. Who knows, maybe a Dylan Strome type of situation is lurking out there somewhere.

Quinn says he wants to make the playoffs. That’s his job. It’s important for the coach to set a goal, even if the goal is unattainable. Failure is a good teacher.

Meanwhile JD continues to preach patience. Gorton continues to preach patience. That the front office is pro-active doesn’t mean anything has changed.

Well yeah, I’m talking to and about the people here who want to go out and trade for a 2C 2 games into the season because all the pieces are in place but Strome sucks

 

[Tawnos]

Well yeah, I’m talking to and about the people here who want to go out and trade for a 2C 2 games into the season because all the pieces are in place but Strome sucks

Me too.

 

[Barnaby]

Completely understand... but Spooner is done... turned him into Strome... ok fine. It’s just that we NEVER seem to have a clue when giving out contracts. Names and Smith also. I won’t lump Staal in because of diff circumstances and Sather was in then... but we just can’t seem to get it right. Skjei may prove that again (I REALLY hope not).

I like to think those two deals were aberrations. They weren’t intended to be here long and I think the Spooner/Namestnikov deals were intended to add value with term with the intention of flipping them for assets. Both guys cratered to varying degrees but I don’t think Gorton ever really expected the cap to be an issue at this point. I don’t think any of us foresaw Kakko, Panarin, and Trouba falling into our laps. I think the idea was that they’d have no issue retaining in the other two to add value. Obviously both players were wildly underwhelming in the end...

 

[Tob]

Not that it really matters but at worst they would get a deal similar to this

Players worse than Namestnikov go for more at the deadline

It really depends. Some get a lot more than they should because a GM has a need. Some don't get dealt at all if the best offer is next to nothing. Select GMs overpay for grit and size to get ready for the playoffs every year. Most GMs will trade for defensive depth if heading into the POs if they're a contender like Columbus, Boston, Toronto, and Tampa, Washington did one or both of the last two years. What hole does Vlad fill? If he's a 20-25 point player come the deadline, I don't see teams lining up for him and paying that much especially if he's $4M 50% retained at $2M. Maybe he gets a 3rd if we keep him. If he booms in OTT with ice time, he gets a 2nd. I'm not sure if it's worth holding onto a player who have no need for for 4 months just to get a low 3rd instead of a high 4th.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

If I had to guess there maybe another trade coming soon so the Rangers needed to clear cap space.
Otherwise why wouldn’t they just hold on to him until the trade deadline line and most likely get a much better return.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

 

[RGY]

Not that the TBL-NYR trade is broken down so easily to just Miller for Namestnikov, but if you want to look at it that way, there are some things people quickly forget or just flat out neglect.

Every trade comes with risk-reward. There is a gamble to it. At the time of the trade both those players were at a similar stage with Namestnikov having better production as a byproduct of playing with better players. There were the rumors of Miller’s attitude issues and clashing personality. So you could look at it as the Rangers preferring to have Namestnikov and gambling that he would turn out better moving forward after the trade. And that you could flip him if needed for an even better return.

You also simply cannot assume that if you held onto Miller the Canucks wouldve came calling 2 years later offering a 1st round pick like they did at the draft. And just because Vancouver is run by a bunch of idiots, does not mean Miller was worth that return and that Gorton failed by not getting the same return for Namestnikov.

Like i said it is what it is. Time to move on. Best of luck to Namestnikov

 

[Leetch3]

If I had to guess there maybe another trade coming soon so the Rangers needed to clear cap space.
Otherwise why wouldn’t they just hold on to him until the trade deadline line and most likely get a much better return.

cap space is used/saved each day so by making the move now we clear a higher % of names pro-rated cap hit, so it maximizes the cap space and flexibility regardless of whether the next deal comes in a week, month or at the deadline

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Not that the TBL-NYR trade is broken down so easily to just Miller for Namestnikov, but if you want to look at it that way, there are some things people quickly forget or just flat out neglect.

Every trade comes with risk-reward. There is a gamble to it. At the time of the trade both those players were at a similar stage with Namestnikov having better production as a byproduct of playing with better players. There were the rumors of Miller’s attitude issues and clashing personality. So you could look at it as the Rangers preferring to have Namestnikov and gambling that he would turn out better moving forward after the trade. And that you could flip him if needed for an even better return.

You also simply cannot assume that if you held onto Miller the Canucks wouldve came calling 2 years later offering a 1st round pick like they did at the draft. And just because Vancouver is run by a bunch of idiots, does not mean Miller was worth that return and that Gorton failed by not getting the same return for Namestnikov.

Like i said it is what it is. Time to move on. Best of luck to Namestnikov

I think of the trade as we would of had to keep Miller.

So no big whoop.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

shocked that Ottawa took on some $ hah

It is what it is, a big ole fat dump and a roster spot.

And that 4th will be more like a 3rd because the Sens are stinky

 

[Clark Kellogg]

cap space is used/saved each day so by making the move now we clear a higher % of names pro-rated cap hit, so it maximizes the cap space and flexibility regardless of whether the next deal comes in a week, month or at the deadline

Your right. I didn’t consider that.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

cap space is used/saved each day so by making the move now we clear a higher % of names pro-rated cap hit, so it maximizes the cap space and flexibility regardless of whether the next deal comes in a week, month or at the deadline

Dolan needs to see if he can get players on Flex-pay.

 

[Fitzy]

Yeah it's odd- doesn't really matter if he asked to be dealt or not.

I highly doubt management is thinking "We gotta get McKegg regular minutes" so I wonder if there is another move in the works here.

Also- if we do this a month earlier, we could get DeAngelo and Lemieux much better bridge deals. Better for them short term but likely better for us next year, in a season where Shatty's cap hit comes back in full force.

 

[Inferno]

Still better than strome..but sure whatever.

 

[Barnaby]

If I were to guess, I’d say that the Rangers have had minimal interest for a while and when someone nibbled, they pulled the trigger rather than not being able to move him down the line when perhaps there is a chance to take on a salary.

So, the common sense approach. Bold.

 

[NYR]

 

[duhmetreE]

Hmmm, I was told time and time again last year that signing Panarin wouldn’t change expectations, so it can’t be that

Who changed expectations?

We're a fringe team.

 

[Fitzy]

You’re a Sens fan? I only know you from the long discussions on the Entertainment board.

Namestnikov is an exceedingly average skater.

I honestly thought skating was his most positive asset.

 

[RangerLifer]

I still don’t think it’s changed anything about the operation of the team. They’re not making any moves geared specifically towards improving their record *this* season. If a move for the future happens to improve the team this year, but also improves the team moving beyond this year, they won’t hesitate to make that move. Like Panarin and Trouba. Who knows, maybe a Dylan Strome type of situation is lurking out there somewhere.

Quinn says he wants to make the playoffs. That’s his job. It’s important for the coach to set a goal, even if the goal is unattainable. Failure is a good teacher.

Meanwhile JD continues to preach patience. Gorton continues to preach patience. That the front office is pro-active doesn’t mean anything has changed.

So then, I assume, there will be Ranger fans who will be irritated if we make the playoffs this year?

 

[Tawnos]

I honestly thought skating was his most positive asset.

He’s not slow...

 

[bobbop]

This is strictly a salary cap move.

Yes, I would have never given Namestnikov that contract but once he has that contract, you evaluate the situation constantly. When it changes, you adjust accordingly.

As far as on the ice, this is a trade (like so many) that won’t help either team.