Proposal: NYR-Ducks

Sojourn

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Oh, but how will you ever learn with an apparently closed mind?

Dude, you're trying to sell the Ducks a bridge at this point. You don't even have Trouba, and you're still trying to screw them over for him.

I've seen some more ridiculous suggestions, but that's up there.
 

Dijock94

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You're overvaluing Miller. He's a good player, but he's not a future franchise player like Lindholm. IMO, Rakell and Miller are at a similar level. I'd move Rakell if the deal was right and I'd certainly move Rakell for a future elite talent.

I never said JT Miller is as valuable as Lindholm. If you look at the Brassard trade the Rangers aren't moving young cost controlled players, they're looking to move older guys on their roster. Like I said not bashing the trade. Between exit interviews interviews at the draft and the Brassard trade you can see the Rangers are going to retool. They're not going to move their young guys. They're not competing anymore, they're not good enough. So the trades they seem to want to make are shipping guys out for futures if it can be done.
 

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You're overvaluing Miller. He's a good player, but he's not a future franchise player like Lindholm. IMO, Rakell and Miller are at a similar level. I'd move Rakell if the deal was right and I'd certainly move Rakell for a future elite talent.

Setting aside comparative value, NY needs Miller cause he is a C who can also W. Our immediate future may look something like
Zib
Miller
Hayes
with Jooris/Nieves, etc 4th

in the pivot.

This is after we auction off Stepan, who has a NMC that does not kick in until after this year, and he must thus be dealt this year to avoid that.
 

bernmeister

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Dude, you're trying to sell the Ducks a bridge at this point. You don't even have Trouba, and you're still trying to screw them over for him.

I've seen some more ridiculous suggestions, but that's up there.

I specified McD + for Trouba +.
In other threads, there was consensus given Jets are obviously heavy on the right and thin on the left, this was fair basis of a deal.

In a vacuum Trouba slightly more given potential and rejuvenation. However, since McD is another 3 or so years cost controlled sweet deal, he is more valuable.

so the "You don't even have Trouba" line is irrelevant for purposes of speculation.

As to "you're still trying to screw them over for him" feel free to elaborate what you think a fair deal is with those pieces.

Peace out til this pm.
 

Sojourn

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I specified McD + for Trouba +.
In other threads, there was consensus given Jets are obviously heavy on the right and thin on the left, this was fair basis of a deal.

In a vacuum Trouba slightly more given potential and rejuvenation. However, since McD is another 3 or so years cost controlled sweet deal, he is more valuable.

so the "You don't even have Trouba" line is irrelevant for purposes of speculation.

As to "you're still trying to screw them over for him" feel free to elaborate what you think a fair deal is with those pieces.

Peace out til this pm.

Not really the point. You're still offering up an asset you don't have. It isn't a small asset, either. I could say Anaheim deals for Ceci, and then try to say another team will overpay for him. That doesn't mean it isn't silly. There is a pretty big obstacle in the way of that, and it's actually acquiring Ceci.

And Anaheim wouldn't make that deal for those pieces. You haven't considered Anaheim's needs at all. Why in the world are they moving a cheap, but good defenseman in Manson and two of their best prospects in Montour and Theodore? How in the world do you expect Anaheim to afford re-signing Lindholm, Trouba, and Rakell? Not only would this deal put them in a massive bind now, but it puts them in an even greater one later, because they just lost three good, and cost effective assets that will help them remain competitive moving forward.

That's just the financial, and cost-controlled side. It's not even considering the actual player value of Manson, Montour, and Theodore. With all due respect to Trouba, who is a good, young talent, but he isn't worth that. There is no way Anaheim is moving Theodore for Trouba and adding Montour and Manson to the pot.
 

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Florida: Not playing ahead of Barkov or Bjugstad.
Tampa: Stamkos and Johnson.
Boston: Bergeron, Krejci, Backes and Bruins fans would even say Spooner after the season he had.
Ottawa: Brassard and Turris.
Buffalo: Eichel and ROR.
Montreal: Galchenyuk and Plekanec. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line)

METRO

Rangers: Stepan and Zibanejad.
Isles: Possible, but with Nielsen gone Strome will get 2nd line minutes.
Pittsburgh: Sid and Geno.
Philly: Giroux and Schenn.
Washington: Backstrom and Kuznetsov.

CENTRAL

Dallas: Seguin/Benn and Spezza.
Chicago: Toews and Panarin.
St. Louis: Stastny and Lehtera (him, Tarasenko and Schwartz have been one of the best lines in the NHL the past 2 seasons)
Nashville: Johansen and Ribeiro. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line)
Colorado: Duchene and MacKinnon.
Minnesota: Koivu and Granlund. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line role)

PACIFIC

LA: Kopitar and Carter.
SJ: Couture and Thornton.
Edmonton: McJesus and Draisaitl.
Calgary: Monahan, Backlund/Bennett. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line role)

I just listed 20 teams that either definitely would or there would be some real tough decisions to make.

Think about that before you laugh like a fool.

I know this is late but I can't get over the fact this dude thinks Mike ****ing Ribeiro would play second line over Kesler. And that fact that Panarin is on there shows you have no idea what you're talking about. He's not even a center, and do you remember how hard the Hawks were trying to acquire Kesler as their second line center when the Ducks got him? Just cause they didn't get him doesn't make Anisimov (who had the league MVP and another high scoring forward on his wings all while accumulating less than half of the points they had) a better center.

Kesler would be the best center on your team. I can't remember when Stepan and Zibanejad became superstars. Kesler had the same amount of points as Stepan last year, champ; all while being one of the best defensive centers in the league. Let's also not forget he has two defensive forwards on his wings.
 
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Sojourn

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Florida: Not playing ahead of Barkov or Bjugstad.
Tampa: Stamkos and Johnson.
Boston: Bergeron, Krejci, Backes and Bruins fans would even say Spooner after the season he had.
Ottawa: Brassard and Turris.
Buffalo: Eichel and ROR.
Montreal: Galchenyuk and Plekanec. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line)

METRO

Rangers: Stepan and Zibanejad.
Isles: Possible, but with Nielsen gone Strome will get 2nd line minutes.
Pittsburgh: Sid and Geno.
Philly: Giroux and Schenn.
Washington: Backstrom and Kuznetsov.

CENTRAL

Dallas: Seguin/Benn and Spezza.
Chicago: Toews and Panarin.
St. Louis: Stastny and Lehtera (him, Tarasenko and Schwartz have been one of the best lines in the NHL the past 2 seasons)
Nashville: Johansen and Ribeiro. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line)
Colorado: Duchene and MacKinnon.
Minnesota: Koivu and Granlund. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line role)

PACIFIC

LA: Kopitar and Carter.
SJ: Couture and Thornton.
Edmonton: McJesus and Draisaitl.
Calgary: Monahan, Backlund/Bennett. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line role)

I just listed 20 teams that either definitely would or there would be some real tough decisions to make.

Think about that before you laugh like a fool.

Well, now he'd be laughing because of this list.

You kind of showed your hand. Some of the players you listed are pretty obviously below Kesler, meaning it isn't that tough a decision at all. The others you try to justify ranking them ahead of Kesler because he's "more suited for 3rd line role" which is a pretty poor attempt to try to pad your list with more teams.
 

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So let`s do the deal and then Ducks trade Stoner, Bieksa, Cogliano, +3d round pick for McDavid. GM of the year guaranteed
 

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As would the Rangers and Miller, however as for value in a vacuum, I think the Rangers would be thrilled to get a player back of Miller's caliber and potential in exchange for Nash if they were to move him

Naturally, I'm in no way putting down Miller. Would love him on the Ducks. He's a great player.

I never said JT Miller is as valuable as Lindholm. If you look at the Brassard trade the Rangers aren't moving young cost controlled players, they're looking to move older guys on their roster. Like I said not bashing the trade. Between exit interviews interviews at the draft and the Brassard trade you can see the Rangers are going to retool. They're not going to move their young guys. They're not competing anymore, they're not good enough. So the trades they seem to want to make are shipping guys out for futures if it can be done.

Fine, but that's not the same reason "you don't move players like Lindholm".
 

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Not my fault that you made an outlandish statement and if I recall correctly, I wasn't asking for your opinion.

You can feel free to try to quote where I was.

Youre wrong. and the fact that you are the only one who thinks Kesler is 'at best' a 2nd line center is telling enough.

But at least you tried and got a participation medal.
 

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Rick Nash (50%) retained + Lindberg + 2018 Rangers 2nd rounder for Lindholm. Maybe another late pick from the Rangers.

No way

Is it rlly that off?

32 year old winger who is UFA after 2 season and has missed many games 2 of the last 3 seasons because of injury + a 24 year old forward with less then a full season worth of NHL games played and a 2nd round pick doesn't get 22 year old Lindholm who is coming off his ELC and is our best overall defenseman and the best from his draft. Totally way off.

Nash (50% retained) + 2nd rounder for Vatanen

No way

Yeah in Anaheim where center depth behind Getzlaf is scarce.

There's a lot of teams in which he would play 3rd line center.

We have Rakell who can and has played at center before.

Kesler is good for over 40 points a season while being good at wining faceoffs and plays a good defensive game. He is a 2nd line quality center. If he would be a #3C for a team then that team isn't a normal team.

Anyone on that line would be taken at center over Kesler and there's a snowball's chance in hell of that line being broken up for Ryan Kesler.

Keep nitpicking though.

Kesler would play center over Panarin who wasn't even playing center. Panarin - Kesler - Kane would make a great line for the Blackhawks no way they would have Kesler playing #3C and having Panarin playing #2C just stupid beyond belief.

Outlandish that Kesler would be on that line.

No its not a Panarin - Kesler - Kane line would be better then a Panarin - Anisimov - Kane line. Kesler is better defensively and better at winning faceoffs he also outscored Anisimov who got to play with Panarin and Kane. Kesler centering those wingers would make that line better at all aspects of the game it would be scary to face against.

Skill isn't solely quantified by points.

Agreed and good thing Kelser is good at winning faceoffs and great defensively so...

For the Rangers to acquire Lindholm:

To NYR:
Lindholm
Bieksa

To Anaheim:
Nash @50% retained
Klein
JT Miller

Nope

McD and NY 3rd
for
Trouba RFA rights + 'peg 2nd

then Trouba to Ducks
for
Theodore, Montour + Manson

Trade like that would both weaken our overall blueline depth while adding salary to our team that is trying to lower salary just totally stupid. Rangers want to build up their blueline depth find another team to do so with.

How about

To NYR:
Lindholm
Bieksa

To Ducks:
Nash @50% retained
Zuccarello
Klein

Nope
 

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If the Rangers are trading for Lindholm it is McDonagh going the other way because he is about the only piece in the same level of value.

or Zuccarello+
 

Paul4587

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Florida: Not playing ahead of Barkov or Bjugstad.
Tampa: Stamkos and Johnson.
Boston: Bergeron, Krejci, Backes and Bruins fans would even say Spooner after the season he had.
Ottawa: Brassard and Turris.
Buffalo: Eichel and ROR.
Montreal: Galchenyuk and Plekanec. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line)

METRO

Rangers: Stepan and Zibanejad.
Isles: Possible, but with Nielsen gone Strome will get 2nd line minutes.
Pittsburgh: Sid and Geno.
Philly: Giroux and Schenn.
Washington: Backstrom and Kuznetsov.

CENTRAL

Dallas: Seguin/Benn and Spezza.
Chicago: Toews and Panarin.
St. Louis: Stastny and Lehtera (him, Tarasenko and Schwartz have been one of the best lines in the NHL the past 2 seasons)
Nashville: Johansen and Ribeiro. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line)
Colorado: Duchene and MacKinnon.
Minnesota: Koivu and Granlund. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line role)

PACIFIC

LA: Kopitar and Carter.
SJ: Couture and Thornton.
Edmonton: McJesus and Draisaitl.
Calgary: Monahan, Backlund/Bennett. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line role)

I just listed 20 teams that either definitely would or there would be some real tough decisions to make.

Think about that before you laugh like a fool.

Thanks for this post, I needed a good laugh :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

Mikos87

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The player I want from the Ducks is Shea Theodore.

I'd do a Nash, Fast/Lindberg, Legit NHL prospect, 2nd round pick for

Theodore
Two of the following:
Cogliano
Depres
Silfverberg
Bieksa
Montour

Perhaps prospect or AHL pieces and picks to match.
 

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