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Proposal: NYR-Ducks

dracom said:
Right now, yes. Kesler is better defensively than both and is slightly better offensively (based on point total) than both.

Kesler has age and experience on his side right now, and things could change quickly. But right now, if a team wants to ice a competitive team, Kesler would be a better option.
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Skill isn't solely quantified by points.
 
Bad value for the Ducks in the OP

And pretty funny junction to Kesler here. He is a solid #2C for sure on most teams
 
The Amity Affliction said:
Don't like what I have to say? Block me. Doesn't make a difference to me.



Outlandish that Kesler would be on that line.
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I only block people who are jerks. You're the one who doesn't seem to like folks disagreeing with what they think.

Outlandish that a selke finalist wouldn't be on a line with Kane and Panarin? sure.... Kesler is an upgrade over Anismov easily.
 
I'd trade McDonagh+ for Lindholm without thinking twice. Guy is already among the best in the league.
 
The Amity Affliction said:
Outlandish that Kesler would be on that line.
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This right here shows exactly why I said your labels are so hollow and pointless. It doesn't matter if Anisimov is slotted on the "second line" due to chemistry, if Kesler was on that team he's the second best center and would still have a bigger overall impact than Anisimov. Teams don't build their lineup by ranking players on paper, "anyone who has played any level of competitive hockey knows that". Regardless of how the team sets up their top 9, Kesler is the second best center overall on most of those teams you mention.

When Niedermayer and Pronger played on separate pairings for the Ducks, did you label one of them as a "second pairing dman"? Or was that just where they happened to be placed on the lineup card?


Kesler isn't "best suited for a third line role", he's best suited for playing 20 mins per game against opponents top players, while also providing secondary scoring.
 
The Amity Affliction said:
Who is he out producing significantly? No one is arguing defensive play. That's why I've said he's more suited for a 3rd line role than some of the others.
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Players on your list he outproduced last year (that are actually centers):
Draisaitl
Zibanejad
Ribiero
Stasny
Spooner
Backlund
Backes
Granlund
Couture
Bennett
Lehtera
Turris
 
The Amity Affliction said:
Wait Kesler is more purely skilled than Draisaitl or Bennett?
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Dude I despise Kesler but the guy is a lock for 25+ goals, and even scored 40 in Vancity just a few years back, let's hold off on calling Bennet and Draisatl 40 goal scoring defensive stalwarts who are the engine of their respective clubs.

Hell, I'm sure he (Kesler) would be our first line center (NYR) if we had him. Not saying I'd like to with his contract but the guy is a Selke caliber higher uchelon defensive minded rugged top 6 C with a mean shot. I mean Zibanejad over Kesler for second line C? You put your offensive minded guys in favorable positions in the ice, E.g- Brassard feasting on third liners on our third line with Pouliot and Zuccarello 3 years ago.

So to conclude, I wouldn't hesistate to give Kesler the tough match-ups and let Zibanejad and to a lesser extent Stepan run all over third liners. Having a guy like Kesler is like having Jordan Staal, or Logan Couture, he's in that realm of player, we only have one center (Stepan) who can out-produce and do a better job of shot suppression.
 
wow. terrible for the ducks.
ducks fans think this guy is top 5 so i doubt this goes over well
 
Whoever proposed McDonagh on a top 5 D-Man contract in the league + for Hampus,
I respectfully do not concur. Lindholm's offense may come along in a more steady manner, but defensively, don't think many can hold Mactruck's jockstrap.
 
The Amity Affliction said:
ATLANTIC

Florida: Not playing ahead of Barkov or Bjugstad.
Tampa: Stamkos and Johnson.
Boston: Bergeron, Krejci, Backes and Bruins fans would even say Spooner after the season he had.
Ottawa: Brassard and Turris.
Buffalo: Eichel and ROR.
Montreal: Galchenyuk and Plekanec. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line)

METRO

Rangers: Stepan and Zibanejad.
Isles: Possible, but with Nielsen gone Strome will get 2nd line minutes.
Pittsburgh: Sid and Geno.
Philly: Giroux and Schenn.
Washington: Backstrom and Kuznetsov.

CENTRAL

Dallas: Seguin/Benn and Spezza.
Chicago: Toews and Panarin.
St. Louis: Stastny and Lehtera (him, Tarasenko and Schwartz have been one of the best lines in the NHL the past 2 seasons)
Nashville: Johansen and Ribeiro. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line)
Colorado: Duchene and MacKinnon.
Minnesota: Koivu and Granlund. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line role)

PACIFIC

LA: Kopitar and Carter.
SJ: Couture and Thornton.
Edmonton: McJesus and Draisaitl.
Calgary: Monahan, Backlund/Bennett. (Kesler more suited for 3rd line role)

I just listed 20 teams that either definitely would or there would be some real tough decisions to make.

Think about that before you laugh like a fool.
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Every single team where you put "Kesler more suited for 3rd line role" mean he would be the 2nd line center and you just don't want to admit it.
 
heusy_79 said:
Nah, you read one non-Ducks fan say that one time and have spewed it ever since.
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false. quote me on that if you can, but ill save you the time, first time I have said this.

Ducks fans argues it would take Rielly + Matthews/nylander/Marner to get lindholm so its not like im just making this up. continue being wrong though
 
Halla said:
false. quote me on that if you can, but ill save you the time, first time I have said this.

Ducks fans argues it would take Rielly + Matthews/nylander/Marner to get lindholm so its not like im just making this up. continue being wrong though
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Quote multiple Ducks fans saying Lindholm is a top 5 dman. If it wasn't you making that claim before then I'm wrong on that part, must have been another Leafs fan.

If someone asked you for an unrealistic return, that's probably because we have no interest in trading him. That's still not anyone saying he's a top 5 dman.
 
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KelVarnsen said:
Ahhhh the weekly Nash to Anaheim thread.

50 point selke finalists are now barely 2nd line centers? Ok.
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I agree with you, and Kesler would be arguably NYR's best center in the short-term, but if you get to call Kesler a 50-point Sekle finalist, then Nash is still a 35+ goal scorer with a defensive game similar to that of Marian Hossa.

Do people really have memories that short?

Nash scored 42 goals the season before this one.

One down, injury-plagued season doesn't erase what he's done for 10+ seasons.
 
heusy_79 said:
Quote multiple Ducks fans saying Lindholm is a top 5 dman. If it wasn't you making that claim before then I'm wrong on that part, must have been another Leafs fan.

If someone asked you for an unrealistic return, that's probably because we have no interest in trading him. That's still not anyone saying he's a top 5 dman.
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I remember a thread where multiple fans argued he was top 10-top 15ish, and some said he was top 5.

Im assuming they were ducks fans because lindholm isnt even close to being in that tier. nothing against him, but like Rielly he needs to continue to progress.

if the rangers wanted lindholm, the package would need to include
Zuccarello, JT miller and Buchnevich
 
Kreidsaitl said:
I agree with you, and Kesler would be arguably NYR's best center in the short-term, but if you get to call Kesler a 50-point Sekle finalist, then Nash is still a 35+ goal scorer with a defensive game similar to that of Marian Hossa.

Do people really have memories that short?

Nash scored 42 goals the season before this one.

One down, injury-plagued season doesn't erase what he's done for 10+ seasons.
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the season before the 42 goal one he only had 39 pts though..
he is getting paid like a 30-40g, 65-75pt scorer and he has only done that once in the last 3 years
 
Kreidsaitl said:
I agree with you, and Kesler would be arguably NYR's best center in the short-term, but if you get to call Kesler a 50-point Sekle finalist, then Nash is still a 35+ goal scorer with a defensive game similar to that of Marian Hossa.

Do people really have memories that short?

Nash scored 42 goals the season before this one.

One down, injury-plagued season doesn't erase what he's done for 10+ seasons.
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Well 2 of the last 3 down seasons......I guess you could argue he should have a huge year this year after last year.

But that's exactly what Kesler was last year. And for someone to say he is barely a 2nd line center is funny to me.

As for Nash, I don't care what you call him because pretty much all Ducks fans have said no to every thread involving Nash to Anaheim. And yet here is a new thread involving Nash to Anaheim. At least Fowler is not involved thus time! That's a good step I guess.
 
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5 4 Fighting said:
Whoever proposed McDonagh on a top 5 D-Man contract in the league + for Hampus,
I respectfully do not concur. Lindholm's offense may come along in a more steady manner, but defensively, don't think many can hold Mactruck's jockstrap.
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I respectfully disagree and already believe Lindholm is a better all around defenseman than McDonagh, and will continue to develop. Every shift the guy plays, good things happen.
 
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