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Divine said:
You know Matthews gets taxed in Arizona? His entire contract is in signing bonuses which he earns on July 1st, when he resides in Arizona.

The only part of his salary that’s taxed in Toronto is half of the 700K that he earns during the season (only 50% are home games).

Can we kill the narrative Matthews is making less money because of taxes? His goal is to take home the most money in NHL history.

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Secondly, Nylander is not as good a player as Aho. The Leafs should take a Nylander for Aho trade 1 for 1 instantly. I’d be shocked if anyone in Carolina would trade Aho for Nylander, even if Nylander was making 1M less a season. Aho does more with less.

Aho was making more money because he leads his team in scoring and is a better player than Nylander. Nylander has never led his team in scoring. He’s usually not even top 3 over his career.
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I wish we could but you are speculating here. It's very common for athletes to have a second residence in tax heavens, why would Matthews be different? His signing-bonus heavy contract suggests he's not.

You wouldn't suffer two weeks' vacation per year at your beach house on the Cayman Islands? Not even for a couple of million $$$?
 
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Arzak said:
I wish we could but you are speculating here. It's very common for athletes to have a second residence in tax heavens, why would Matthews be different? His signing-bonus heavy contract suggests he's not.

You wouldn't suffer two weeks' vacation per year at your beach house on the Cayman Islands? Not even for a couple of million $$$?
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He has to reside there a certain % of the year to be eligible i believe cant remember the number
 
Arzak said:
I wish we could but you are speculating here. It's very common for athletes to have a second residence in tax heavens, why would Matthews be different? His signing-bonus heavy contract suggests he's not.

You wouldn't suffer two weeks' vacation per year at your beach house on the Cayman Islands? Not even for a couple of million $$$?
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Matthews resides in Arizona when he gets his signing bonuses (a massive chunk) and gets taxed based on Arizona tax rates not Toronto tax rates.

His Toronto tax rate only applies to the 775K and that too only for the games he pays in Toronto

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Sweden has a substantial tax rate (all Scandinavian countries do); Willy can choose not to reside in Sweden when he gets his signing bonuses. Actually, now that I think about it I am not even sure how Willy would even show "taxes" or how the tax laws in sweden are structured for income earned outside the country but the citizen continues to use the country's facilities as his primary residence. Sweden tax structure is also municipal there are not federal or state/provincial tax system
 
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Dekes For Days said:
You can try to make lobbing a puck into an empty net sound as flattering as you want, but it doesn't change that it's a result of team-dependent unique situations and opportunities, is not a representation of a player's quality and offensive impact, and it's not what teams are paying for.
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And being trusted to be on the ice during those team-dependent unique situations. Much tougher to score empty net points from the bench.
 
Divine said:
Aho just signed 8 years X 9.75M with a 2M signing bonus every year.

We know centres get paid more than wingers. Aho is also younger with less games played and more points on a lower scoring team with less offensive talent around him.

The cap on Nylander should be 9M with no bonus money, less if he wants his salary upfront every year.
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9M for Nylander is still not ideal, but doable. 2024-2025 is a year where I think they're just going to have to accept things are not going to be optimal, and the cap crunch is going to hurt the team. There should be a good opportunity to rework the team after Tavares' contract expires.
 
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As we all know, Nylander's camp is seeking a deal in excess of $10M per season after a 40-goal, 87-point campaign in 2022-23. However, since his ask has gone public, we have seen the likes of several of his direct comparables sign deals for far less, including Timo Meier, Alex DeBrincat and, as of yesterday, Sebastian Aho. Meier signed an 8-year, $8.8M deal on June 28th, DeBrincat signed a 4-year deal with Detroit after being acquired by the Red Wings from the Sens, worth $7.875M per season and Aho's deal, of course, landed at 8 years and $9.75M per season.

On Thursday, a former Leaf chimed in, stating that, at this point, the Nylander camp will have to look at the landscape of the league, with all of these comparables signing reasonable deals and they may have to give up some ground.

"At the end of the day, Aho is a top-flight centerman in the league - he comes in at $9.75M. I don't know how Willy and his representation can still be thinking $10M. Maybe you still use that as a negotiating tactic, but now it needs to get narrower. We're at the point now where enough players have signed between Meier and DeBrincat and Aho... we know what the number is, you guys can get to it a lot quicker now. It's much narrower than it once was." - ex-Leaf Frank Corrado on the impact of comparable players signing fair deals on the Nylander negotiations.
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There's an argument to be made that Nylander deserves more than Timo Meier, but I don't think you can look at the Aho deal and say that Nylander deserves more than a high-end franchise center, who plays a strong two-way game and is both a primary powerplay producer and a primary penalty killer. Aho's game is more complete than Nylander's and their career numbers are very similar. Also, Aho is a year younger as well.
 
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Mess said:
There's an argument to be made that Nylander deserves more than Timo Meier, but I don't think you can look at the Aho deal and say that Nylander deserves more than a high-end franchise center, who plays a strong two-way game and is both a primary powerplay producer and a primary penalty killer. Aho's game is more complete than Nylander's and their career numbers are very similar. Also, Aho is a year younger as well.
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I agree, Nylander's not as valuable as Aho. If the rumblings are true, Nylander will sign for less than Aho unless Matthews gets a number that Nylander perceives to be an overpayment and if that's what happens, he will also want to be overpaid or he will take his talents elsewhere. If that's what it is, I can't blame him either.
 
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Do we think Leafs would sign a 9Mx8? I think that's fair. Little bit more than Meier and below Aho.

There's no way Leafs can give Marner a pay upgrade. If anything, 10.5F or less or let him walk.
 
I am Canadian said:
Do we think Leafs would sign a 9Mx8? I think that's fair. Little bit more than Meier and below Aho.

There's no way Leafs can give Marner a pay upgrade. If anything, 10.5F or less or let him walk.
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9 is fair and arguably below what he can get still considered to be fair.. or lower on the fair scale so to speak

9x8 for willy i would sign tomorrow but im still gaging interest in marner tee hee
 
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andora said:
9 is fair and arguably below what he can get still considered to be fair.. or lower on the fair scale so to speak

9x8 for willy i would sign tomorrow but im still gaging interest in marner tee hee
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I agree but it feels like Marner and Matthews are Leafs for as long as they want to be and will be paid whatever they want to be, that's the "interest in Marner". Sucks, and I hope I'm wrong but I really think that's the way it is. And if they want be paid what their agents say they're worth, then they'll continue to get overpaid which means our cup chances take yet another hit and also that Nylander gets squeezed out.

But hey, maybe Marner will win a Selke one day, from what some people around here are saying, that's almost as good a cup. ;)
 
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Clark4Ever said:
Lol, the cost of a 1500 sq ft fixer upper in Toronto can buy a mansion in Raleigh.
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Can buy you a lot more in Durham. Arena is there and unfortunately they don't allow you to carry in the arena which is an area you need a piece the most in.
 
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Notsince67 said:
Can buy you a lot more in Durham. Arena is there and unfortunately they don't allow you to carry in the arena which is an area you need a piece the most in.
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Arena is on the west end of Raleigh it's about 20 from downtown Raleigh and 30 from Durham. It's on their state fairgrounds.

It's annoying to get to but you're not going to get shot
 
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