Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[ULF_55]

Agreed and with a 2 way Center Aho getting $9.75 mil that should slot Willy in at his high asking mark of $9.5 mil now.

He is $1 mil too high at present in ask.

Rising tide lifts all boats.
2023
Matthews - marner: overpaid for being on short term RFA contracts.
x
x
x
x
Nylander

2024
Matthews - marner
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Nylander

 

[hullsy47]

I think willy signs at 9.5 for 6 years. It's steep but considering taxes and his smaller contract relative to Marner and Matthews previously, it's a somewhat fair contract.

He should lose 500k for every year under 8 years he signs for

 

[Racer88]

We will soon have to update the title to August unsigned then September, October,November etc etc.

 

[Hellcat]

Rising tide lifts all boats.
2023
Matthews - marner: overpaid for being on short term RFA contracts.
x
x
x
x
Nylander

2024
Matthews - marner
x
x
Nylander

It really does rise all ships, I think Nylander deserves it, he thinks he is a 40 goal scorer, not many of those around. In his mind he is thinking I'm gonna give these guys 40 goals every year and they want to rock bottom me? F them. The Leafs are probably thinking Willie is more like a 30 goal guy and they are thinking why in the F should we give a 30 goal guy 10 mil, willie is thinking why in the F is a 40 goal guy not worth 10 mil?

In Willies mind he just had the 22nd best goal scoring season in the history of the Leafs, the only guys on the current roster who have scored more goals in a season is JT and Austin and they are both north of 11 mil per season. BTW last years 87 points puts Willie 24th all time for single season points by a Leaf.

I got no dog in this fight, I can see both sides TBH but IMO Willie does have a good case that he should be rewarded around 10 mil, considering JT and Austin both make more than 10 mil. Its an argument that could be made.

 

[ULF_55]

He should lose 500k for every year under 8 years he signs for

Does that rule apply for all Leafs?

My guess is no one is going hold marner or Matthews to that "suggestion."

And that's why I could see Nylander leave the team.

I can only imagine the room, knowing 2 players are given free reign, and can't even be held accountable without a public apology being delivered by the coach.

Go through the wall for those two princesses?

 

[Mess]

Rising tide lifts all boats.
2023
Matthews - marner: overpaid for being on short term RFA contracts.
x
x
------------------------------- Sea Level -------------------------
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Nylander

2024
Matthews - marner
x
x
Nylander

Agreed Marner and Nylander should be less than $1.5 mil apart.

However please allow me the liberty to alter your post to show the Leafs problem... The contracts that Willy is being lifted up to are way above sea level and sitting out of the water and on shore and have been beached by Hurricane Dubas.

Here is Willy trying to reach his teammates.

 

[ULF_55]

Agreed Marner and Nylander should be less than $1.5 mil apart.

However please allow me the liberty to alter your post to show the Leafs problem... The contracts that Willy is being lifted up to are way above sea level and sitting out of the water and on shore and have been beached by Hurricane Dubas.

View attachment 731886

Here is Willy trying to reach his teammates.

As I mention in the previous post, not sure Nylander is going to have any regret, unless he settles for being a Tier 2 player in Toronto and is held accountable as a Tier 1 when things go sideways.

 

[Mess]

As I mention in the previous post, not sure Nylander is going to have any regret, unless he settles for being a Tier 2 player in Toronto and is held accountable as a Tier 1 when things go sideways.

Yup that is true also that Willy at $7 mil gets lumped in with his other teammates making $11 mil all as equals in expectations and production.

And then this happens vs Florida in round #2.

Willy at $7 mil outscores his 3 X $11 mil teammates combined by a 2 to 1 ratio, but its a Core 4 problem and its Nylander that gets held accountable and asked to sacrifice financially and get paid at a different Tier level.

How come Mitch and Auston get whatever they want and its Willy the one that gets held in check, is the question Willy's agent is asking BT now.

Conclusion: Leafs internal salary cap is badly broken and it should be fixed by addressing the overpaid contracts. But How ??

You and I have said this before "Blow it Up" is the only true way to correct this.

 

[andora]

Yup that is true also that Willy at $7 mil gets lumped in with his other teammates making $11 mil all as equals in expectations and production.

And then this happens vs Florida in round #2.

View attachment 731889

Willy at $7 mil outscores his 3 X $11 mil teammates combined by a 2 to 1 ratio, but its a Core 4 problem and its Nylander that gets held accountable and asked to sacrifice financially and get paid at a different Tier level.

How come Mitch and Auston get whatever they want and its Willy the one that gets held in check, is the question Willy's agent is asking BT now.

Conclusion: Leafs internal salary cap is badly broken and it should be fixed by addressing the overpaid contracts. But How ??

You and I have said this before "Blow it Up" is the only true way to correct this.

But mitch said the other day they Want to be accountable

 

[ULF_55]

Willy at $7 mil outscores his 3 X $11 mil teammates combined by a 2 to 1 ratio, but its a Core 4 problem and its Nylander that gets held accountable and asked to sacrifice financially and get paid at a different Tier level.

How come Mitch and Auston get whatever they want and its Willy the one that gets held in check, is the question Willy's agent is asking BT now.

Conclusion: Leafs internal salary cap is badly broken and it should be fixed by addressing the overpaid contracts. But How ??

You and I have said this before "Blow it Up" is the only true way to correct this.

Nothing is going to change.

Matthews and marner will continue to be played as elite weiners ... sorry ... winners and everyone else will be disrespected and held accountable.

Nylander may end up being moved, perhaps in an agreement Sign and Trade, maybe to a team not on his 10 NTC, without signing for some lower in the line-up players.

They don't need to blow it up, they'll be happy with making the playoffs, and perhaps some lessor lights will carry them over the hump. But it'll be accolades for the chosen couple.

Tavares' contract is the restriction, so once he's off his Double Digit$ Deal, there'll be more for Matthews every 2-3 year contract extension and bump to keep up with the rising Cap.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

Even now, places like Moncton, second fastest growing city in Canada, house prices have doubled/tripled/quadrupled since the pandemic started. People from BC/ON/PQ have moved out east because 1) house prices were dirt cheap compared to Vancouver/Toronto/Montreal 2) Traffic is ridiculously low, rush hour traffic in Moncton is a 15 minute commute home vs a 10 minute commute when its not rush hour. 3) Crime rates are super low 4) People are uncomfortably nice. 5) Nature, nature, nature. Moncton is a small city in the middle of a forest.

I know people (family) from Moncton that actually retired a couple of years early because the real estate gold rush of people from BC/ON/PQ allowed them to sell their houses at a stupid price. The reason why I know this about Moncton is a friend of mine is one of the top selling real estate agents in Moncton, he was telling me people from ON/PQ/BC were buying houses sight unseen (they saw it online but did not see it in person), he said at least a couple of times each month he is getting phone calls from people in ON/PQ/BC that simply say MLS# I want to put an offer in at ask, no tour, no due diligence, just I want to buy that house. He had one guy from BC use google maps street view, to pick a house that was not even for sale, the assessed property value was around $400k, the guy from BC said offer them $750k and lets be done with this.

“Uncomfortably nice” LOL…. that was good.
Seriously though nice post. What would you say the cons would be, if any, for say a person retiring there… ie; how’s the healthcare?

 

[Da Cool Rula]

We will soon have to update the title to August unsigned then September, October,November etc etc.

Of course he might end up saying he wot negotiate during the season putting pressure on them.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

Yup that is true also that Willy at $7 mil gets lumped in with his other teammates making $11 mil all as equals in expectations and production.

And then this happens vs Florida in round #2.

View attachment 731889

Willy at $7 mil outscores his 3 X $11 mil teammates combined by a 2 to 1 ratio, but its a Core 4 problem and its Nylander that gets held accountable and asked to sacrifice financially and get paid at a different Tier level.

How come Mitch and Auston get whatever they want and its Willy the one that gets held in check, is the question Willy's agent is asking BT now.

Conclusion: Leafs internal salary cap is badly broken and it should be fixed by addressing the overpaid contracts. But How ??

You and I have said this before "Blow it Up" is the only true way to correct this.

I agree but AM, as u know has a nmc. He has the Leafs in a corner. It’s pay him or he walks.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Not quite. That's in American dollars, so about $35M Canadian!

725K US for the listing that was posted is equivalent to about 1 million Canadian. That won't buy much in the Toronto real estate market these days.

In general, GTA housing market is chaos personified.

Actually that is true for pretty much most of Canada.

True, but for the time being anyway, there are still bargains to be had on the east coast.

 

[Sypher04]

We will soon have to update the title to August unsigned then September, October,November etc etc.

Baseless negativity for the sake of negativity

 

[geo25]

No forecheck, no backcheck, but he'll still collect a paycheque.

As a so-called leader of this team the tone Nylander sets is concerning.

No need to hit or be hit.
No need to go into the corner.
No need to do any of the dirty work.

No need to defend yourself or your teammates.

Nylander doesn't have a champions character. In order to succeed in sports you need to put the team first and make personal sacrifices. Nylander is the complete opposite of what a franchise player should be.

He just wants to get paid like one is all.

You would think he would be ashamed for being so selfish and cowardly. For all those millions of dollars the least he could do is shove the stinky mitt in someone's face after a scrum every now and then. Give fans reason to think winning a cup is a priority for him.

Instead of just being in it for the paycheque.

He's all of the above when he plays for Sweden's National Team. What a contrast....here he just collects a paycheck....time to shit his butt out....long overdue.

We will soon have to update the title to August unsigned then September, October,November etc etc.

Why wait.....Trev should have already traded him for a decent rhD & picks/prospects....

 

[Notsince67]

The Matthews not going anywhere thread is at 207 and counting. I wonder if it will hit 500 by next spring when he still hasn’t signed. Lol

Americans a notoriously generous people. If Matty doesnt sign, it is likely about something other than money

 

[Notsince67]

Yup that is true also that Willy at $7 mil gets lumped in with his other teammates making $11 mil all as equals in expectations and production.

And then this happens vs Florida in round #2.

View attachment 731889

Willy at $7 mil outscores his 3 X $11 mil teammates combined by a 2 to 1 ratio, but its a Core 4 problem and its Nylander that gets held accountable and asked to sacrifice financially and get paid at a different Tier level.

How come Mitch and Auston get whatever they want and its Willy the one that gets held in check, is the question Willy's agent is asking BT now.

Conclusion: Leafs internal salary cap is badly broken and it should be fixed by addressing the overpaid contracts. But How ??

You and I have said this before "Blow it Up" is the only true way to correct this.

So I looked at wins above replacement in the last 4 year. I did this because Willy is set at 7.1 which numerically aligns closely to his salary for scale purposes. Wanted to see where everyone else sat.
Matthews at 15.5
Marner at 11.6
Tavares at 6.9
Now make your case.

 

[Dekes For Days]

How come Mitch and Auston get whatever they want and its Willy the one that gets held in check

They don't. They each get what they've earned and deserve. Which is obviously more for Matthews and Marner, as they are better players. Nylander knows this.

 

[Jmo89]

Yep my property value has gone up 46% in 3 years according to the province. Great when I sell, no so great when I try to buy again.

We were both lucky and unlucky. Got a place right before the big boom where we are. Similar to you our value has gone up huge, but so has every other house.

This was our first home and the plan was to stay here for 3ish years. It's going to be awhile before we move now. Might have to look into getting a bunkie for some extra space.

 

[ULF_55]

They don't. They each get what they've earned and deserve. Which is obviously more for Matthews and Marner, as they are better players. Nylander knows this.

They aren't 55-60% better though.

Everyone, including Matthews knows that. Okay marner doesn't because he's better than everyone, including Matthews.

 

[Racer88]

Baseless negativity for the sake of negativity

Not really, its a distinct possibility

Americans a notoriously generous people. If Matty doesnt sign, it is likely about something other than money

I enjoy many of your posts but I can’t tell if your being serious or spoofing me.

 

[Notsince67]

Not really, its a distinct possibility


I enjoy many of your posts but I can’t tell if your being serious or spoofing me.

I'm serious

 

[Boxscore]

Yup that is true also that Willy at $7 mil gets lumped in with his other teammates making $11 mil all as equals in expectations and production.

And then this happens vs Florida in round #2.

View attachment 731889

Willy at $7 mil outscores his 3 X $11 mil teammates combined by a 2 to 1 ratio, but its a Core 4 problem and its Nylander that gets held accountable and asked to sacrifice financially and get paid at a different Tier level.

How come Mitch and Auston get whatever they want and its Willy the one that gets held in check, is the question Willy's agent is asking BT now.

Conclusion: Leafs internal salary cap is badly broken and it should be fixed by addressing the overpaid contracts. But How ??

You and I have said this before "Blow it Up" is the only true way to correct this.

Agree a ton with this. Especially this: "Leafs internal salary cap is badly broken and it should be fixed by addressing the overpaid contracts. But How ??"

The answer is rather simple: Auston Matthews.

I've been saying it all summer that ultimately two people have the power to rectify this problem -- Matthews and Treliving.

Matthews can step up tonight and commit to the Leafs long-term with a surprisingly lower cap hit than expected (say 12 mil x 8) and that would instantly reset both the culture, and deformed salary structure, of the team. And Matthews is the only player who can. If he does that, see how easy it will be for Nylander, and eventually Marner, to come around and play ball. At the very least, this is a chance for all the key players to put their cards on the table and show how much they love playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Outside of that, Treliving is the only other person who has the power to rectify this problem. But that will require going in the opposite direction and moving some or all of the core and letting Tavares walk at the end.

 

[Racer88]

I'm serious

Fair enough