Nylander - In round 2 doing his thing.

[GQS]

I know, he isn’t getting flack because the other guys were dreadful, but his fanboys elevating mediocrity is really something. What a warrior tonight! Lmao this fan base sometimes.

He stunk less, amazing.

At this point I'd be more inclined to keep Nylander if the price is right and instead moving Matthews. Before I wanted him to stay badly, but now I wouldn't be nearly as sad if he did indeed leave. Maybe he's playing injured or maybe its something else, but for being the Leafs franchise player he's looked somewhere between ordinary to invisible in most playoff games so far.

The Matthews that started his NHL career with 4 goals in his first NHL game looked amazing and dominate. The Matthews we're seeing now looks much more ordinary and average when he should be playing closer to like Draisaitl has.

 

[DarkKnight]

I love every player and coach on the Leafs that give a damn and know what they are talking about. Praised Rielly, Nylander, Sammy, ROR, Bunting etc. They tried and played with heart, like winners. Matthews was mostly good as well and I praised him, but this game? He was a no show. Marner was worse than a 4th line scrub. Keefe is a dummy and Dubas is the dolt that kept him on this team.

You're just on his ass all the time. Go watch Boudreau interview about guys like Nylander. He isn't perfect but you need the zone entry guy and they aren't all going to chip and chase and go into the dirty areas. You take the good with the bad.

But not showing up in this game is unforgivable to me.

Ya find one comment the first 60 games bud, I’ve been on his ass for two weeks. You don’t give a shit about his effort because if you did you wouldn’t be defending his bs defence the last few games. It’s frankly embarrassing what your wrote. Anyways, it doesn’t really matter, my perspective is aligned with former players, they see it. Cheers, big game tonight, he was adequate. Best game of the series, he tried in our end, what an achievement.

 

[thewave]

Ya find one comment the first 60 games bud, I’ve been on his ass for two weeks. You don’t give a shit about his effort because of you did you wouldn’t be defending his bs defence the last few games. It’s frankly embarrassing what your wrote. Anyways, it doesn’t really matter, my perspective is aligned with former players, they see it. Cheers, big game tonight, he was adequate. Best game of the series, he tried in our end, what an achievement.

OMG man, he is a 6.9m dollar 40 goal scoring winger not freaking Mario Lemieux lol Give it a rest I know he is flawed, he's not making 12 million freaking dollars in 2023.

 

[DarkKnight]

OMG man, he is a 6.9m dollar 40 goal scoring winger not freaking Mario Lemieux lol Give it a rest I know he is flawed, he's not making 12 million freaking dollars in 2023.

Again with the salaries, who cares, win a puck in our end. Sheesh.

 

[thewave]

Again with the salaries, who cares, win a puck in our end. Sheesh.

Nylander lost us 0 games. Marner lost us probably 3. Matthews contributed to this loss. Not including D. Look at the advanced stats, they match the eye test. He was good, the best forward we had out there. Easily.

 

[DarkKnight]

I will say this, he wasn’t the problem at all tonight. He obviously wasn’t any solution either, but he was engaged. Of the big four, yes the best. But that’s saying nothing really. I’ll lay off Bill, I just laugh at the praise he’s getting for being less ass. What is going on with this team lol.

 

[Aashir]

There’s nothing to praise here

He couldn’t get it done again. He couldn’t be the guy we needed. He did this in Montreal and he’s doing it again this series. We could be up 2-1 if he could just finish a f***ing chance or set someone up for an assist

f*** “chances” when they don’t get in. Offensively we should hold him to a standard at almost Marner level. He doesn’t provide grit or defence so he’s gotta produce. 1A isn’t cutting it in 3 games

 

[DarkKnight]

Nylander lost us 0 games. Marner lost us probably 3. Matthews contributed to this loss. Not including D. Look at the advanced stats, they match the eye test. He was good, the best forward we had out there. Easily.

I think you’re lost. The advanced stats? He’s starting in their end, and we’re winning the draws, it’s meaningless. He had ONE shot. I’m out, keep the fires burning.

 

[glue]

Only core player I would not move

 

[thewave]

I think you’re lost. The advanced stats? He’s starting in their end, and we’re winning the draws, it’s meaningless. He had ONE shot. I’m out, keep the fires burning.

Most people like him. I dislike his defensive efforts but I factor in his price and where you can slot that in a team build. Marner just being trash and Matthews as well tonight? How do you reconcile that?

Nylander was the best thing going tonight. He had a good playoff for him, not as a defensive player, but not many dangerous chances happened after his lapses. They were measured.

 

[ruaware41]

Because then you get a Tavares who isn’t even a 2C, you get a 3C who puts up 40 points and can’t play defensively

Seriously, it leaves Tavares in no mans land. He can’t play top pp means he’s only getting 30 secs of pp, where he is just gonna stand infront of the net. Moreover, he now doesn’t warrant playing in the top 6 because he’s so ineffective that his point totals look like he should be on the third line. Now the problem is he’s playing with acciari and like kerfoot and he won’t put up over 40 points making 11m

I get what you’re saying but it’s hilarious how bad your post makes tavares look…. and for good reason. Because it’s true. But I think they should not fall prey to the sunk cost fallacy

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander (our best player in the playoffs, period)'s stat line for tonight's game:

Shots: 1
Pts: 1
Scoring chances: 1
High danger scoring chances: 0
Rush attempts: 0
Giveaways: 0
Takeaways: 0
Hits: 0
Hits taken: 1
Shots blocked: 0


He was only surpassed, in the wrong direction, by Marner who was f***ing dreadful.

Other stats from tonight's game:

"The scoring chances were 18-4 for the Panthers with Marner on the ice, 18-7 with Matthews on the ice. It was just 11-8 with Tavares, and Toronto won the scoring chance battle 14-4 with Nylander out there."

The surprising part may be that JT's numbers are that bad, considering he spent most of the game with Willy.

 

[Stephen]

Other stats from tonight's game:

"The scoring chances were 18-4 for the Panthers with Marner on the ice, 18-7 with Matthews on the ice. It was just 11-8 with Tavares, and Toronto won the scoring chance battle 14-4 with Nylander out there."

The surprising part may be that JT's numbers are that bad, considering he spent most of the game with Willy.

Looks like Nylander did all his good work while Tavares was already off or when Tavares had not yet come onto the ice.

 

[IPS]

Other stats from tonight's game:

"The scoring chances were 18-4 for the Panthers with Marner on the ice, 18-7 with Matthews on the ice. It was just 11-8 with Tavares, and Toronto won the scoring chance battle 14-4 with Nylander out there."

The surprising part may be that JT's numbers are that bad, considering he spent most of the game with Willy.

William Nylander - the no effort Swede who doesn't care about the Leafs and is just like his dad - is not new to outplaying Matthews and Marner this badly in big playoff games.

Most people like him. I dislike his defensive efforts but I factor in his price and where you can slot that in a team build. Marner just being trash and Matthews as well tonight? How do you reconcile that?

Nylander was the best thing going tonight. He had a good playoff for him, not as a defensive player, but not many dangerous chances happened after his lapses. They were measured.

There is no reconciling that. Nylander tried and did what he did best, and he had a very sweet assist on one of the Leaf's goals. Nylander is a Phil Kessel lite and he does it well for his price tag. Mitch was a liability all game long with his laughable turnovers every shift while being the WORST offensive player on the ice. Like he does this shit and completely undoes all of the good stuff he's done this season.

 

[leafsfan5]

Giving Nylander the corpse of Tavares when he was the only member of the core 4 generating anything was such dogshit coaching

As usual, Nylander is the only remotely threatening player out of the big guys

 

[notDatsyuk]

There’s nothing to praise here

He couldn’t get it done again. He couldn’t be the guy we needed. He did this in Montreal and he’s doing it again this series. We could be up 2-1 if he could just finish a f***ing chance or set someone up for an assist

f*** “chances” when they don’t get in. Offensively we should hold him to a standard at almost Marner level. He doesn’t provide grit or defence so he’s gotta produce. 1A isn’t cutting it in 3 games

He certainly did more than enough setting up. Is it his fault JT and Matty and ROR and others couldn't finish?

 

[Gabriel426]

It’s funny to read comments here.
AM, MM and JT literally played like 4th liner where Willie played like any top 6 forwards in the league. And yet people are stating Willie should had done more or he shouldn’t get praise for being the best of the bunch bc the rest were horrible, or if Willie did this or that…
Did Willie played a great game, far from it. But he actually showed up while the other three just didn’t.
Before questioning Willie being non clutch, how about asking why Willie needs to carry the load of the team where there are three other players who make 50% more than Willie? Where are these guys? How did they played? You don’t blame the waiter for making bad food, you blame the chef.
AM, MM and JT need to be a lot better esp in do or die game like tonight. Losing is one thing but you can’t played a do or die game like they did tonight, it is unacceptable. If any 4th liner or bottom pairing D played the way those three did, they won’t be playing the next game.

I still have faith in them and hope they turn it around.

As for Willie, he needs to be more clutch. He is too streaky to be reliable 1st line player. Having said that, the 3-0 series so far is not a result of Willie being not clutch but rather the other big three haven’t step up yet.

 

[Aashir]

He certainly did more than enough setting up. Is it his fault JT and Matty and ROR and others couldn't finish?

Then score some goals

 

[saffronleaf]

I will say this, he wasn’t the problem at all tonight. He obviously wasn’t any solution either, but he was engaged. Of the big four, yes the best. But that’s saying nothing really. I’ll lay off Bill, I just laugh at the praise he’s getting for being less ass. What is going on with this team lol.

I do agree with you that the bar is pathetically low. Yes Willy showed up more than the others, but... he hasn't even had a goal this series.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Then score some goals

Agreed, although it's difficult when Florida is virtually ignoring JT and the LW and keying on him. His assist tonight came when he was one-on-four entering their zone, and still managed to find Gustafsson.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I do agree with you that the bar is pathetically low. Yes Willy showed up more than the others, but... he hasn't even had a goal this series.

He and Matty, with one each, are the only 'core' players with an assist at even strength in the series.

 

[ZEBROA]

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Oh shut up about salaries, that’s all you guys talk about, he’s been awful this playoffs. He was less shit than others tonight, cash that paycheck. He generated offence, he had one shot, man the bar is low here now. Guy with no goals this series is our best player. Okay, I guess that’s the problem, he was almost as good as Kampf tonight.

Our "best goalscorer in the world" had 2 shots. You cant be exelent in a sea of shit. They dont play agains air, there is acually a opponent on the other side. The system is thrash, coaches cant solve Florida. And they cant make the best line combinations. I refused to watch when saw that Tavares was with Nylander again. Insainly bad management. He would probably play a lot better with acciari and ROR even on his wrong side. Snakebitten like hell, must have the lowest sh%. , But no help to fight through it.

But this is the key, he should never be less shit then Tavares Marner or Matthews. Never, not a single shift, if so then coaches and players failed as a team. I know u want to channnel your frustration toward something. But Nylander aint the problem, even if u dont like the player. Then its a management problem, they got the wrong player for your like, that is not Nylanders problem he can only play to his strenghts if given the chance (wich he aint).

Your problem is that u think the praisers think he is the best player in the world or something(they mostly realy dont). We who defent him are against the thought that he is the worst player, and dont contribute at all. The truth may lay somewere in the middle. A good player for what he is paid.

As long as they play Nylander with Tavares 90% is on Keefe.

edit hate/frustration

 

[Jojalu]

Looks like Nylander did all his good work while Tavares was already off or when Tavares had not yet come onto the ice.

He was best with Kamph and Lafferty

 

[DarkKnight]

Our "best goalscorer in the world" had 2 shots. You cant be exelent in a sea of shit. They dont play agains air, there is acually a opponent on the other side. The system is thrash, coaches cant solve Florida. And they cant make the best line combinations. I refused to watch when saw that Tavares was with Nylander again. Insainly bad management. He would probably play a lot better with acciari and ROR even on his wrong side. Snakebitten like hell, must have the lowest sh%. , But no help to fight through it.

But this is the key, he should never be less shit then Tavares Marner or Matthews. Never, not a single shift, if so then coaches and players failed as a team. I know u want to channnel your frustration toward something. But Nylander aint the problem, even if u dont like the player. Then its a management problem, they got the wrong player for your like, that is not Nylanders problem he can only play to his strenghts if given the chance (wich he aint).

Your problem is that u think the praisers think he is the best player in the world or something(they mostly realy dont). We who defent him are against the thought that he is the worst player, and dont contribute at all. The truth may lay somewere in the middle. A good player for what he is paid.

As long as they play Nylander with Tavares 90% is on Keefe.

edit hate/frustration

“The truth may be somewhere in the middle”. So people like are you just hype merchants rather than serious hockey people debating a player. You just admitted what you spew isn’t reality. And I don’t channel anything towards him, he’s just one of many frustrations. Seems you channel all your rationalizations to him. Everything I’ve directed towards Bill is fair and mirrored by the hockey world. Just work hard, that’s really it.

 

[thewave]

Other stats from tonight's game:

"The scoring chances were 18-4 for the Panthers with Marner on the ice, 18-7 with Matthews on the ice. It was just 11-8 with Tavares, and Toronto won the scoring chance battle 14-4 with Nylander out there."

The surprising part may be that JT's numbers are that bad, considering he spent most of the game with Willy.

They want to run him out of town like Kadri. We always become a worse team when they run a player out of town. Moving on Marner and Matthews isn't so much a run out of town thing, it's a will they commit to sign here thing. Marner being in the way cost wise of creating a balanced team and lack of playoff performance compared to costs.