Nylander will ask for 9 million minimum. Even at 7 million with no playoff compete level, he is just regular season entertainment. Mattews is in the same boat, they both check out mentally especially if things get rough.
Nylander - In round 2 doing his thing.
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But guys. Nylander isn't good at defense.
ShaneFalco
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I tend to agree. I guess we'll see who wants to be here. I could be totally off base but I think it will be AM that moves on, by choice.
PROUD PAPA
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No. Willy will chase the money like the rest of them. If we've learned anything about the core it's winning comes second. The wonderful sounding quote "i'll be happy when we f'ing win something" certainly doesn't come off as sincere to me.
They will all do great on other teams
They just don't work well together
To much of the same
Can you imagine
Marner Tkachuk and Bennett
Scary
Or slide in
Mathews or Nylander with those two
notDatsyuk
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I thought it sounded sincere.
On the other hand, if he is sincere about winning something in the playoffs, I can easily see him giving up on this mess, especially if Dubas and Keefe are still here, and signing (even for less money) for a team that has a better chance of winning.
I think unless Willie leads the way, he is the odd man out and will most likely win a Cup before those remained.
Going to be interesting to see if ROR and Acciari stay or go.
At this moment, I don’t think any of the so called big 4 should remain. Up to this point, they have showed that they are all great complimentary pieces instead of being the Alpha
Going to be interesting to see if ROR and Acciari stay or go.
At this moment, I don’t think any of the so called big 4 should remain. Up to this point, they have showed that they are all great complimentary pieces instead of being the Alpha
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I still can't believe the Big 4 managed to run the entire franchise into a ditch in 66 seconds in Game 2, second period.
It is the fact that they just seem to give up that bothers me the most. Really evident in this Panthers series.
I really don't think any GM could build a better team surrounding them than the current roster, unless there is a huge influx like 4-6 players on ELC that are just like Knies who is fearless, while two of those 4-6 ELCs are physical Dmen who can plays like Pietra and Theodore and one of the is the second coming of Brodeur in net. I really don't see how any GMs can built a better team than the current squad.
Say all you want about Kerfoot but there is no way unless ELC rookies, the Leafs can afford to have someone like Kerfoot on their 4th line. Kerfoot might not be a good top 6 or even 3rd liner, but he is a great option on the 4th line.
Then there is the question of who to bring in to be the alpha? ROR and Reilly are good start but they need to resign ROR and need offence.
I would not want JT to be back, he really can't lead. His speed or skill or whatever can be gone due to age but where is his heart? Yeah, he showed it in OT and last year Game 6 and 7 but did he just think thats enough? Where was he in the past 3 games?
Then our supposedly Alpha, AM and MM. They just can't have games like they did yesterday in the playoffs while the team is down 2-0 in the series.
It's not the beginning of the end wow.
Take a look at Seattle THEY HAVE NO SYARS
Just a hard workingbteam
If willy wants 9 million then stay
We need to build a team
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Seattle proves that you can build a winning team without any stars. Something to think about when people say things like "you just don't trade talent like X/Y/Z".
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Stars can make things easier but they have to be the right ones. Willing to do the extra, pay the price and change their game vs. different opponents. Maybe we don’t need 3 making double digits and a possible 4th getting a big raise. Maybe refine who we keep and build the rest towards the concept you just mentioned.
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For sure. I'm have nothing against stars and I think they do make things easier if like you say, they're the right ones. But the idea that trading away a star player can't be the right move, that's too dogmatic and just wrong. Seattle doesn't have a single player making 6 million yet look at the team they have. It would probably surprise some people to know that this season, that team without any big name stars somehow managed to score more goals than the Leafs.
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Nylander and Matthews should be asked, do you want to stay, figure the $$$ and get it in writing.
Marner should be moved on from.
(This is prior to any NMC is in play)
Marner should be moved on from.
(This is prior to any NMC is in play)
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I think the most important is value beating players be it stars or superstars, or depth.
Kadri at 4.5
Nylander at 6.9 is also a good value beat.
Tavares is a horrendous value defeat. This is something I notice more in basketball due to max contracts, but imagine the Leafs with Mcdavid instead of Tavares. Money wise it's only like 1 mil difference.
ShaneFalco
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Yeah I don't get it. So roll it back, because you can't touch talent? Gretzky was traded. Forsberg, Bure, Selanne, Hall, Tkachuk etc etc
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I think the most important is value beating players be it stars or superstars, or depth.
Kadri at 4.5
Nylander at 6.9 is also a good value beat.
Tavares is a horrendous value defeat. This is something I notice more in basketball due to max contracts, but imagine the Leafs with Mcdavid instead of Tavares. Money wise it's only like 1 mil difference.
Exactly.
My whole ideology regarding cap era hockey is bang for buck and never lose asset value for nothing. Those are the two things a high tax state/province can never afford. I've been talking about since Burke. There is simply no room for error anymore in our situation, the bad contracts deplete depth too quickly and that's the death knell.
We are what we are because Dubas' first moves as a GM and some other terrible moves after. Now we're just patchwork teams that can't gel in the PO.
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Just a thought on what a proven playoff guy he is, last year he didn’t pot a goal until game 4 when it was 5-0 and the game was over, he netted two garbage nothing goals after the fact. Oh, and he had one other the entire series, hang his jersey in the rafters, guy is money. Come on. I guess it’s all relative here.
You need a coach
Iam not to sure what systems they run but ever player on that team has bought in.
Imagine what we could do withe 40 million spent the right way
7 players at 7 million
thewave
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You need guys that can put the puck in the net. Said every good coach ever.
Marner does nothing when the going gets tough, actual nothing. It's horrendously bad.
DarkKnight
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Hey dude, the fact your mind pivots to Marner every time is what you call a “tell”.
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