Nylander - In round 2 doing his thing.

[TorMapleJays]

You resign him.

 

[LeafGrief]

Starting to wonder if he’s the one we keep after all.

 

[Farsailor]

Real question is would he wanna stay playing third line minutes and pp2..and getting way less than he could elsewhere..

 

[thewave]

Real question is would he wanna stay playing third line minutes and pp2..and getting way less than he could elsewhere..

Choosing Mitch over him on the PP alone probably cost us in a big way. Obviously not last game.

 

[ZEBROA]

“The truth may be somewhere in the middle”. So people like are you just hype merchants rather than serious hockey people debating a player. You just admitted what you spew isn’t reality. And I don’t channel anything towards him, he’s just one of many frustrations. Seems you channel all your rationalizations to him. Everything I’ve directed towards Bill is fair and mirrored by the hockey world. Just work hard, that’s really it.

The truth is also no matter how hard he works with Tavares , and Tavares with him, the outcome will still suck. They seldom work hard at the same time. and even if they are working hard they seldom click. With a non exsistent 1st and 2nd line its hard to win.

I dont think Panthers works harder , they work smarter. When the gears never connect you can work your ass of but the hour hands aint movin. When they connect it is almost effortless. Most of that aint working harder, it is being more focus on the small things. Blade to blade passes, etc. Exelence in the details.

"Seems you channel all your rationalizations to him."
No but he got skills that is wasted alongside Tavares, and it waste Tavares too. So i dont say Tavares is the problem, they together are a big problem. Matthews and Marner even bigger problem this series, when it comes to expected outcome.

I dont think i have ever hyped Nylander. Maby far back in time. I am just not on the scapegoat train. "We can never win with Nylander on the team" some have said, that is hyping his importance if any.

 

[Trapper]

Welcome him to the 10 million dollar club.
Why shouldn’t he make as much as the rest?

 

[capfit9]

On May 7th, 2023, Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, John Tavares & William Nylander QUIT on the city of Toronto & on the logo.

 

[ToneDog]

Welcome him to the 10 million dollar club.
Why shouldn’t he make as much as the rest?

Agreed but only make it a bridge deal so we can give him $15m the next contract.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Bye, Marner bye too

 

[theTTC]

Every team needs the guys to actually get them successfully through the regular season so they get into the playoffs. That is what Willy and Mitch are for. So keep those two.

Then when playoffs kick in and they check out, we'd have new guys coming in from trading away Matthews and his bloated salary who are step-up playoff guys. But we'd need a new GM who can spot and acquire that ilk of player.

Case closed.

 

[Stephen]

He was best with Kamph and Lafferty

Kampf and Lafferty actually came to play. The depth forwards were fine last night. One goal from the Big 3 would have had the series at 2-1.

 

[ToneDog]

Kampf and Lafferty actually came to play. The depth forwards were fine last night. One goal from the Big 3 would have had the series at 2-1.

Zero goals in 3 games by the petit 4.

 

[Jojalu]

Kampf and Lafferty actually came to play. The depth forwards were fine last night. One goal from the Big 3 would have had the series at 2-1.

100%.

Could even be 3-0 if they lived up to their end.

2 goals every game from depth guys HAS to be enough to win games.

I know there has been some bad puck luck hitting posts but FFS, figure it out and find a way to put the puck in.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Welcome him to the 10 million dollar club.
Why shouldn’t he make as much as the rest?

Probably correct, but Matty is the only one who should be making $10M. Willy at $8-9, Mitch a bit less until he shows up in the playoffs, and JT about $6 are more reasonable numbers, and more in line with their performances, especially during the playoffs.

 

[Gallagbi]

Kampf and Lafferty actually came to play. The depth forwards were fine last night. One goal from the Big 3 would have had the series at 2-1.

A goal each game and were up in the series IMO. We controlled Games 1 and 2 but they couldnt finish. Basically every game has been 3-2

 

[Menzinger]

They want to run him out of town like Kadri. We always become a worse team when they run a player out of town. Moving on Marner and Matthews isn't so much a run out of town thing, it's a will they commit to sign here thing. Marner being in the way cost wise of creating a balanced team and lack of playoff performance compared to costs.

Funnily enough if the Leafs do end up looking to rearrange the core, I do feel Nylander has the highest probability of making those same Leafs fans regret that decision when they see him plan on other team than the other guys.

 

[34]

Going to have to trade him. There will be no choice…He is NOT re-signing in Toronto. Same situation as Tkachuk and Gaudreau.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Kampf and Lafferty actually came to play. The depth forwards were fine last night. One goal from the Big 3 would have had the series at 2-1.

Doesn't help when Keefe gives them (espcially Lafferty) minimal minutes

 

[sunstersun]

Let's be results oriented.

Nylander pay raise based on performance.

Everyone else pay cut.

 

[sxvnert]

Kampf and Lafferty actually came to play. The depth forwards were fine last night. One goal from the Big 3 would have had the series at 2-1.

Depth showed up this playoffs in both series.

 

[ULF_55]

Give him the 'A', and Reilly the 'C'.

Re-sign O'Rielly and give him the other 'A'.


Now don't try and tell me that would be any worse than what they have now.

 

[Aashir]

Funnily enough if the Leafs do end up looking to rearrange the core, I do feel Nylander has the highest probability of making those same Leafs fans regret that decision when they see him plan on other team than the other guys.

See but the thing is, would we really regret it?

Him going to that team could be the catalyst to his success.

It’s like the thing about kessel. Yea he proved us wrong and won, but he was never gonna do anything like that with us.

I know this is a nylander thread, but all of these guys are incredibly talented, no one denies that, but at some point you have to part ways.

Nylander isn’t the guy to win you a series, he’s good enough to make it a close one if he’s on, but he isn’t good enough to win you one. He can’t be played on an HBK line and win us the series. We saw in Montreal, he almost did, but didn’t. He won’t do it now either. We don’t have the big guns to close out the series either, Matthews and Marner are MIA’s in big games. Tavares is MIA all the time. You aren’t going to get big guns who show up by dealing Matthews and Marner. There is no tkachuk trade to “save” us. So if his impact isn’t great enough to lead us to victory, we may as well max out his value and retool using him and the others

 

[ULF_55]

Just for SNG, Nylander is the 86th. highest paid player according to Capfriendly.

He is not paid to be a one of the best 7 players in the league, like 3 of his co-workers.

 

[ULF_55]

Cap Hits (rounded):

1. Matthews 11.6
2. Tavares 11.0
3. marner 10.9
4. Rielly 7.5
5. O'Reily 7.5
6. Nylander 7.0

O'Rielly just has two other teams paying the freight, but that didn't come freely, it cost assets to get that retention.

 

[saffronleaf]

See but the thing is, would we really regret it?

Him going to that team could be the catalyst to his success.

It’s like the thing about kessel. Yea he proved us wrong and won, but he was never gonna do anything like that with us.

I know this is a nylander thread, but all of these guys are incredibly talented, no one denies that, but at some point you have to part ways.

Nylander isn’t the guy to win you a series, he’s good enough to make it a close one if he’s on, but he isn’t good enough to win you one. He can’t be played on an HBK line and win us the series. We saw in Montreal, he almost did, but didn’t. He won’t do it now either. We don’t have the big guns to close out the series either, Matthews and Marner are MIA’s in big games. Tavares is MIA all the time. You aren’t going to get big guns who show up by dealing Matthews and Marner. There is no tkachuk trade to “save” us. So if his impact isn’t great enough to lead us to victory, we may as well max out his value and retool using him and the others

I'll be cheering on Nylander after he gets moved just like I cheered on Kessel. Both are talented players who were unfairly treated by the Toronto media and fans and were not utilized properly or put in the right position to succeed.

Nylander as the fourth best forward on a team will lead to success. Nylander on a team where he's supposedly ranked fourth but the other three never show up when it matters is not going to push the needle by himself.