Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYI] Islanders sign Brock Nelson to extension (6 year, $36 million)

[seafoam]

People calling Nylander overpaid smh.

This is a rough contract for a middle of the road 2C.

He scored one less even strength goal than Crosby last season, not exactly a middle of the road 2C.

The bottom line is that the Islanders clearly feel that this past season’s Nelson is the Nelson they are going to be getting going forward, and that Nelson is worth this deal. They wouldn’t have given him this contract if they didn’t think he was going to regress to being a 40 point player.

 

[93gilmour93]

If this had been Dubas who signed this deal the narrative on HF Boards would have been " He signed a player who hasn't broke 55pts at age 27 for 6x6 !!! Dubas is an idiot".

 

[Siludin]

That's an amazing contract imo.

Year by year, people look at the nominal cap value and compare it to like, what Lidstrom got in 2007 and think the prices are "steep".

 

[Morgs]

How on earth is a 6x6 contract for a guy barely squeaking over 50 points once over his career, and a career average around 40, good value or a win for the team?

Lou Lam can't do any wrong.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

You may want to have a closer look at Nelson's career stats. He's a 27-year-old perennial 40-point player with a 53-point career year in his pocket.



Ahh, back when you had Tavares.

Ah, you mean those 40 point years when Nelson was playing on the third line with no name players?

John Tavares? Who? Oh yeah, that Leafs player who had the honor of watching NYI second round hockey this year from underneath his Maple Leaf bedsheets. Yeah I vaguely remember him.

 

[Liferleafer]

Ah, you mean those 40 point years when Nelson was playing on the third line with no name players?

John Tavares? Who? Oh yeah, that Leafs player who had the honor of watching NYI second round hockey this year from underneath his Maple Leaf bedsheets. Yeah I vaguely remember him.

Congrats on the one extra win you got....good times.

 

[benedictTavares]

500k more a year than I would have liked but in the end who cares. We were not in a position to watch him walk. His scoring went up in a year where it was at a premium on our team. He was a decent two way player.

 

[serp]

I allways thought of him as more of a , really good , third line Center . Not sure thats worth 6 Million per season . Islanders have a ton of capspace though so even an overpay i don't think hurts them if he returns to 40 point third center production.

 

[PK Cronin]

It will start to cripple them when they do it for Brock Nelson, Josh Bailey, Andrew Ladd, Casey Cizikas, Cal Clutterbuck, and Leo Komarov. Those are some big bets on players sustaining the best years of their careers or, even worse, paying for their past performance which is in some cases in the rearview already.

Bailey makes $5 million even for four more seasons, and has put up 50+ points the past three seasons, and he has no protection against being moved. His contract isn't a problem at all. Cizikas isn't really a problem either, he's young enough and just had a career year as well. Komarov can be bought out after next season and the cap hit would be pretty easy to swallow.

The worrisome deals are definitely the Ladd and Clutterbuck ones, because neither player is actually as good as the deal they signed and both have injury concerns. With the potential for an another buyout window likely, that's a possibility, and there's the expansion draft. Whatever cap "issues" the Islanders have right now can easily be managed moving forward. As long as Nelson doesn't have a NTC or NMC for the length of the deal, it'll be fine cap-wise. There's $29 million in cap space before signing Lehner and Lee, which will leave about $17 million after they're done ($15 million after Beauvillier signs). Plenty of space and plenty of opportunity to move guys if necessary in the future.

 

[Duke Silver]

Ah, you mean those 40 point years when Nelson was playing on the third line with no name players?

John Tavares? Who? Oh yeah, that Leafs player who had the honor of watching NYI second round hockey this year from underneath his Maple Leaf bedsheets. Yeah I vaguely remember him.

You don't give this type of term and money to 27-year-old's with minimal track records of above-average production. Do you anticipate you're going to get 6 years of 50-point play out of Nelson for his age 28-34 seasons?

How do you justify this when Josh Bailey was signed for 6 years x $5M last year on the back of a 56-point prior season, and 62 points in 56 games up to the point in the season when he signed?

This is absolutely an overpayment.

 

[benedictTavares]

We got cap space for days son.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

You don't give this type of term and money to 27-year-old's with minimal track records of above-average production. Do you anticipate you're going to get 6 years of 50-point play out of Nelson for his age 28-34 seasons?

How do you justify this when Josh Bailey was signed for 6 years x $5M last year on the back of a 56-point prior season, and 62 points in 56 games up to the point in the season when he signed?

This is absolutely an overpayment.

Not overpayment at all. This is fair value for a 2C, which is what he is. Nelson should produce 50+ points and 20+ goals for most, if not all of his contract unless he eventually gets pushed out of the 2C role by a center prospect in the distant future.

The fact that he only produced 40 point seasons in the past while playing third line minutes with great players like Nikolai Kulemin and Marty Reasoner is irrelevant to the player he is now.

 

[SI90]

If this had been Dubas who signed this deal the narrative on HF Boards would have been " He signed a player who hasn't broke 55pts at age 27 for 6x6 !!! Dubas is an idiot".

That is the narrative by mostly everyone not an isles fan. Stop making everything about the leafs and playing the victim.

 

[doublechili]

Josh Bailey was a fan least-favorite who got in the 30s to low 40s in points every year until he turned 27 and got 50+ points. Now he's 29 and has done it 3 years in a row.

Brock Nelson was a fan least-favorite who got in the 30s to low 40s in points every year until he turned 27 and got 50+ points. If he does the same thing, with a bigger body and better defense playing the C position, then this is could be a great contract.

 

[Menzinger]

We got cap space for days son.

Easy to say now, lots can change over 2-3 seasons

 

[Thrasymachus]

Let them make that mistake. That's how you win in the salary cap world. Dodge bullets and pay for prime years.

Lol we did dodge a bullet - letting Nelson walk so we could be one of 10+ teams trying to sign Duchene / Hayes. Letting go one of our only useful centers would be foolish, and his cap hit is far from crippling.

 

[Thrasymachus]

This appears to be a very bad contract.

Unless your name is Brock Nelson.

You appear to know little about the islanders and their organizational needs

 

[flyers0909]

The fact that he only produced 40 point seasons in the past while playing third line minutes with great players like Nikolai Kulemin and Marty Reasoner is irrelevant to the player he is now.

When did Brock Nelson ever play with Marty Reasoner lol

 

[TGWL]

So Hayes is really going to get that close to 7 million'ish contract he wants? I think that's an overpayment for Nelson, but I've never thought much of him to be honest. They're in a position where they need a #2 center and after making it to the second round, it's hard to just let players walk.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

When did Brock Nelson ever play with Marty Reasoner lol

You right. Got my third liners mixed up there. Happens when there is so much turnover on that line. Reasoner was before Nelson but overall point stands

 

[Blueboy]

My favorite comments are the dummies taking his career average and saying 'WTF, how he get so much money?'.

If you saw Brock Nelson play before Trotz and with Trotz, they are entirely different players.

So he’s being paid off of one season during a contract year?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

When you look at what Boston and St louis have done. This signing makes sense. You want to spread your cap resources for your top 3 C's. Top 9 is where it is at these days, heck you need 4 strong lines. You can't be spending 24M on 2 Centers any more and expect to have a 4 line deep team. This will leave the Isles with room to sign Barzal, and maybe the Isles get lucky with a Bozak type signing a 5M as your top 3 C's. Nelson had a good year on both sides of the puck. His defensive metrics last year were off the charts. No doubt Trotz loves him, and the Isles got this done well before July 1. Great job by Lou. Now they have 14M to sign Barzal and add to the Center depth to what I consider a good cap hit of 20M for your top 3 Centers which is where St Louis and Boston are near.

 

[IslesNorway]

He would've gotten more on the open market, which makes it a pretty good deal for the Isles.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

a paul byron but double of his salary lol

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

a paul byron but double of his salary lol

I mean besides the height difference, weight difference, point production difference, goal scoring ability difference, age difference, and how one is a wing and the other a center.

Practically the same player here.