At least as good as Letang defensively? Someone posted up numbers above since you don't want to actually base your opinion on having seen Tanger play this year.
Norris Trophy Power Rankings: Rielly on top with gaudy offensive numbers
- Thread starter TopG
- Start date
-
Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates
- Status
When Burns is on his game, he's just a beast at both ends. he's just very inconsistent in that regard.
Meh, even that is pretty arguable this year. If he is, it's not by much.
Letang at his best, and healthy, is just a sick, sick dman. So many people just dismiss his contributions because "hurr durr Crosby Malkin",but he's an awesome, awesome dman.
Boy Hedican
Homer Jr, friends call me Ho-Ju
I wouldn't say that. The guy can pass for sure, but he rockets them off sticks more than he connects. He's a beast because his strength, hands, and agility for such a large human is incredibly rare. When he's on and moving he's nearly impossible to stop. If the puck could stick to him the way it does EK65 he'd be hands down the most dominant hockey player in the league.
The Podium
Registered User
And I made it pretty clear that my original post about Tampa bay was not meant as a knock on the franchise, but retaliation against the poster that trashed the Leafs. Yes Hedman is better, yes Tampa is better, yes they have higher expectations. I know this and made it clear that I didn’t actually mean it... what don’t you understand?
Also don’t pretend like the Leafs goal is to win one playoff round this year. They have the same fish to fry as Tampa, the only difference is they don’t have the same experience.
It does not matter if we are talking this year, Rielly is still not the best defenseman this year. If all GM’s could add any defenseman for free for the rest of this season then Rielly would be far down the list on preference. I would bet 5 to 10 defenseman would get chosen before him. Adding in age, contract length, cap hit and things like that would change the choices but just going by best overall defenseman this year Rielly is not close to the top 5 in my opinion.
More to being the top defenseman than just points. Like I said in other posts, you can win the Norris that way but the person that wins the Norris is not always the best defenseman. Just like the Hart winner is not truely the best player every year. Some years yes but I can point out many times it was way off.
Looks at the charts for each defenseman and compare. Watch some games for each defenseman. Then come back and tell me 22 minute a game Rielly is the best defenseman in the league. He is so far from that it is laughable.
It's funny that the same logic is never applied to the other guys. But Letang gets trashed because he supposedly benefits from Sid and Geno. Pens are brutal without Letang and the guy plays the toughest and most minutes on the team than anyone. Remember this guy had a stroke and his spine fused. To say he's a beast is a severe understatement.
PensandCaps
I Skate on your Crew, Like Mario Lemieux.
- May 22, 2015
- 27,848
- 18,289
Can't really use the "Letang plays with Malkin and Crosby" argument when the other Dmen too play on offensively stacked teams.
Rielly with Toronto
Gio with Calgary(is it 5 PPG players?)
Rielly with Toronto
Gio with Calgary(is it 5 PPG players?)
I would put Letang’s overall game up against Gio. Letang is playing his best level of his career. I will agree that Rielly is not even close to the best overall defenseman. For example Hedman vs. Rielly as best defenseman makes me laugh that people think any GM would not take Hedman or many other defenseman over Rielly. Honestly I could probably pick 10 defenseman I rather have over him if we just are talking this year without cap being an issue.
The Winter Soldier
Registered User
- Apr 4, 2011
- 71,030
- 21,383
Rielly is not the best defenceman this year. Not unless you are just reading a scoring sheet for your analysis. Which I think is all the analysis you are doing.
You're welcome to your opinion. those that matter disagree. he has been, so far, in my opinion, and in the majority opinion, so go cry a river.
i know what analysis you're doing - blue and White jersey = ignore.
move along.
ScottishCanuck
Registered User
You have to drop the persecution complex.
That clearly isn't what he / she is doing.
Last edited:
The Winter Soldier
Registered User
- Apr 4, 2011
- 71,030
- 21,383
Hedman is a better defenceman. It will take more than reading a scoring sheet or crying about anti biases to make a case that Rielly is better. But keep trying to sell that lark to people Rielly is better, you are not going to get a lot of support on that one on the Main board.
dukeofjive
Registered User
Honest question, i thought leafs had one of the best defensive core in the league, how come all of a sudden Rielly is stuck playing with plugs mainly?
Rielly has been better this year. Not trying to sell any lark, that's the way it is.
I don't have to sell anything, when those who vote on it, feel the same way.
The Winter Soldier
Registered User
- Apr 4, 2011
- 71,030
- 21,383
You are trying way too hard. Rielly would not even be the discussion for the Norris as the best defenceman if it wasn't for his scoring stats. Not sure why you insist he is, but carry on if you like at the 30 something game mark but stop quoting me because I already made my position known on that.
i don't have to try at all. If you were to take away any defenseman's offense, they wouldn't be in the running. But now that we're at the 50 game mark, and Rielly is playing good hockey in the defensive end, and the best hockey in the league from a dman, in the offensive end, he is not only in the discussion, but the frontrunner.
Life is good as a Leafs fan right now.
Keep on crying.
The Winter Soldier
Registered User
- Apr 4, 2011
- 71,030
- 21,383
Tavares, Matthews, Marner, and this year's Norris frontrunner, MOOOOOOOORILES!!!!!!
Connor McConnor
Registered User
- Nov 22, 2017
- 5,661
- 6,807
As of right now I have Gio as the winner but he'll probably lose because of East bias. Not just Leaf bias but generally East coast bias. Rielly has played great but I don't think he's a better defenceman than Gio this year.
With all that said.. I think EK could go on a monster 2nd half and get back in the conversation.
With all that said.. I think EK could go on a monster 2nd half and get back in the conversation.
Sidney the Kidney
One last time
- Jun 29, 2009
- 56,879
- 49,534
One of the weirdest HF myths is about how Letang's only average defensively. It's like someone sees a video of one of his brain farts and assumes he's basically a more physical Marc-Andre Bergeron.
- Status
